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	<title>Comments on: A little local trouble for Michael Gove</title>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57606</link>
		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A superb cartoon from the early days of &quot;Private Eye&quot;. In the aftermath of the Profumo affair, Macmillan climbs a ladder and fixes a poster to a hoarding with the following words: &quot;We&#039;ve never had it so often.&quot; (For the uninitiated, MacMillan&#039;s catchphrase was &quot;You&#039;ve never had it so good&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A superb cartoon from the early days of &#8220;Private Eye&#8221;. In the aftermath of the Profumo affair, Macmillan climbs a ladder and fixes a poster to a hoarding with the following words: &#8220;We&#8217;ve never had it so often.&#8221; (For the uninitiated, MacMillan&#8217;s catchphrase was &#8220;You&#8217;ve never had it so good&#8221;.)</p>
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		<title>By: crewegwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>crewegwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picking up mjy Farmers Guardian (or something similar) in the Shrewsbury branch of WH Smith the nice lady cashier asked:

&quot;Would you like a Zoo magazine?&quot;

Absolutely, for the keeping of exotic animals in capotivity is another of my great interests.  I so looked forward to reading about gorillas, giraffes and gerenuks.

What a disappointment !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking up mjy Farmers Guardian (or something similar) in the Shrewsbury branch of WH Smith the nice lady cashier asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;Would you like a Zoo magazine?&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely, for the keeping of exotic animals in capotivity is another of my great interests.  I so looked forward to reading about gorillas, giraffes and gerenuks.</p>
<p>What a disappointment !!</p>
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		<title>By: Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading my post I must point out, &#039;they just dont get it, do they?&#039;, wasnt referring to anything to do with sex,... but reading the article again.......

Only joking Justin!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading my post I must point out, &#8216;they just dont get it, do they?&#8217;, wasnt referring to anything to do with sex,&#8230; but reading the article again&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Only joking Justin!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57600</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tories!! They just dont get it do they?
I think they never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tories!! They just dont get it do they?<br />
I think they never will.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57548</link>
		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be some confusion as to the Conservative position on human sexuality. So let&#039;s spell out what it actually is.

Sexual freedom is something reserved for the elite. Upper class people, provided they stick to the 11th Commandment (&quot;Thou shalt not get caught&quot;) can do more or less what they like. The common people, by contrast, are expected to conform to strict behavioural norms. A lower class peson is only permitted sex outside marriage underneath an upper class person.

For Conservatives, homosexuality is the secret glue that holds upper class men together. A lower class man is only permitted to indulge if he is young and pretty and fancied by an upper class man. That is as it has always been.

The Conservative Party hasn&#039;t changed a bit under Cameron/Gove. It is as odious and repellent as ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be some confusion as to the Conservative position on human sexuality. So let&#8217;s spell out what it actually is.</p>
<p>Sexual freedom is something reserved for the elite. Upper class people, provided they stick to the 11th Commandment (&#8220;Thou shalt not get caught&#8221;) can do more or less what they like. The common people, by contrast, are expected to conform to strict behavioural norms. A lower class peson is only permitted sex outside marriage underneath an upper class person.</p>
<p>For Conservatives, homosexuality is the secret glue that holds upper class men together. A lower class man is only permitted to indulge if he is young and pretty and fancied by an upper class man. That is as it has always been.</p>
<p>The Conservative Party hasn&#8217;t changed a bit under Cameron/Gove. It is as odious and repellent as ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hinchcliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57516</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hinchcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;m not a &#039;preachy Conservative&#039; and don&#039;t approve of Gove&#039;s moralising!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;m not a &#8216;preachy Conservative&#8217; and don&#8217;t approve of Gove&#8217;s moralising!</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused by Gove&#039;s attack on these magazines.

How does he wish to influence the content of their pages?

Does he wish to ban them? In which case he is no supporter of the free market.

Does he wish to reintroduce the censorship powers of the Lord Chamberlain or impose some kind of media licensing scheme? In which case he is no supporter of free speech.

Or do his connections exposed above suggest he may have some leverage with the the publishers and owners? In which case shareholders, readers and constituents alike will be concerned about the lack of transparency and unclear chain of accountability.

It seems a bit perverse for a Conservative to be attacking a publication which offers an outlet for conservative expression, so either Gove is in the wrong party, he is biting the hands that feeds him or Red Fig Ltd have provided these donations against their will and potentially through ignorance.

Nuts indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused by Gove&#8217;s attack on these magazines.</p>
<p>How does he wish to influence the content of their pages?</p>
<p>Does he wish to ban them? In which case he is no supporter of the free market.</p>
<p>Does he wish to reintroduce the censorship powers of the Lord Chamberlain or impose some kind of media licensing scheme? In which case he is no supporter of free speech.</p>
<p>Or do his connections exposed above suggest he may have some leverage with the the publishers and owners? In which case shareholders, readers and constituents alike will be concerned about the lack of transparency and unclear chain of accountability.</p>
<p>It seems a bit perverse for a Conservative to be attacking a publication which offers an outlet for conservative expression, so either Gove is in the wrong party, he is biting the hands that feeds him or Red Fig Ltd have provided these donations against their will and potentially through ignorance.</p>
<p>Nuts indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hinchcliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57511</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hinchcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, Section28 was introduced with the support of the Labour Front Bench. It was a mistake.

&quot;...there are some homophobes in other parties...&quot; - this is the first time that I&#039;ve ever heard a Lib Dem admit to this, so, in that respect well, done. 

The Conservative Party has changed - and changed for the better. Your failure to grasp this is one reason why you&#039;re lagging in the polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, Section28 was introduced with the support of the Labour Front Bench. It was a mistake.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;there are some homophobes in other parties&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; this is the first time that I&#8217;ve ever heard a Lib Dem admit to this, so, in that respect well, done. </p>
<p>The Conservative Party has changed &#8211; and changed for the better. Your failure to grasp this is one reason why you&#8217;re lagging in the polls.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57508</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David: how is it failing to take the Conservatives seriously to point out that Michael Gove has been getting money from the very people he has been criticising for making money?

I don&#039;t follow the logic that the way to take a party seriously is to ignore allegations of such financial hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David: how is it failing to take the Conservatives seriously to point out that Michael Gove has been getting money from the very people he has been criticising for making money?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t follow the logic that the way to take a party seriously is to ignore allegations of such financial hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: David Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its actually a really interesting speech and very liberal in parts. You could lift several chunks and put them in a Leaders conference speech at bournmouth. This post and some of the comments on it epitomise the party&#039;s failure/refusal to take the Conservative revival seriously. One reason why they are polling in the high 40&#039;s and we have slipped back into the teens.The Nuts and Zoo comments are a bit bonkers because they provide a distracting headline from an otherwise substantial speech. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its actually a really interesting speech and very liberal in parts. You could lift several chunks and put them in a Leaders conference speech at bournmouth. This post and some of the comments on it epitomise the party&#8217;s failure/refusal to take the Conservative revival seriously. One reason why they are polling in the high 40&#8242;s and we have slipped back into the teens.The Nuts and Zoo comments are a bit bonkers because they provide a distracting headline from an otherwise substantial speech. </p>
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		<title>By: Technomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did Gove get hold of these magazines and has he declared his expenses properly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did Gove get hold of these magazines and has he declared his expenses properly?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think Justin will understand that. He seems to be forming into the Tory version of Chris Paul...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think Justin will understand that. He seems to be forming into the Tory version of Chris Paul&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Church</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57494</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,
There was only one party that introduced section 28. No guesses which one.

While there are people in the Tory party who have spoken up on gay rights, and there are some homophobes in other parties, the Conservative party has consistently beeen the slowest to fight homophobia and has retained the greatest number of homophobes in its ranks. Any objective assesstment of the Tory voting record will bear that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,<br />
There was only one party that introduced section 28. No guesses which one.</p>
<p>While there are people in the Tory party who have spoken up on gay rights, and there are some homophobes in other parties, the Conservative party has consistently beeen the slowest to fight homophobia and has retained the greatest number of homophobes in its ranks. Any objective assesstment of the Tory voting record will bear that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hinchcliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57490</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hinchcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, all parties contain people who have been - and remain - hostile to gay equality. Remember Simon Hughes&#039; &quot;straight choice&quot; strapline against dear old Peter Tatchell? I suspect if you had written to, for example, Colin Breed or Bob Russell you would have received an identical response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, all parties contain people who have been &#8211; and remain &#8211; hostile to gay equality. Remember Simon Hughes&#8217; &#8220;straight choice&#8221; strapline against dear old Peter Tatchell? I suspect if you had written to, for example, Colin Breed or Bob Russell you would have received an identical response.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how gentle the press are being with the Tories. If this was anyone else, especially, I suspect, a Labour politician, all the tabloids would be in full cry... Sleaze! Scandal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how gentle the press are being with the Tories. If this was anyone else, especially, I suspect, a Labour politician, all the tabloids would be in full cry&#8230; Sleaze! Scandal!</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57486</link>
		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How Gove can get acres of press coverage with such vacuous waffle is a sad indictment of the media.

What tough questions is he going to ask?
What is he pledged to actually do? 
He is the modern Tory party personified,
window dressing devoid of content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How Gove can get acres of press coverage with such vacuous waffle is a sad indictment of the media.</p>
<p>What tough questions is he going to ask?<br />
What is he pledged to actually do?<br />
He is the modern Tory party personified,<br />
window dressing devoid of content.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Gove is easily the most dangerous Conservative MP.

His oleaginous charm might be disarming to some, and his posing as an intellectual and cultural lluminary will convince the unwary. But make no mistake. Gove is Cheney&#039;s man. His role in the Shadow Cabinet is to ensure that Cameron, Osborne and Hague pursue the objectives of the US military industrial petro-chemical complex.

The more mud we can throw at him the better for this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Gove is easily the most dangerous Conservative MP.</p>
<p>His oleaginous charm might be disarming to some, and his posing as an intellectual and cultural lluminary will convince the unwary. But make no mistake. Gove is Cheney&#8217;s man. His role in the Shadow Cabinet is to ensure that Cameron, Osborne and Hague pursue the objectives of the US military industrial petro-chemical complex.</p>
<p>The more mud we can throw at him the better for this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Gove&#039;s talk about family values reminds me of a letter I received when I was 16 from Owen Paterson the Tory MP for Shropshire North who wrote and told me that he would not be agreeing to my request to support the change in age of consent to 16 for gay sex because he was the father of two small children and he needed to protect them.  
Ahhh, traditional Tory family values....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Gove&#8217;s talk about family values reminds me of a letter I received when I was 16 from Owen Paterson the Tory MP for Shropshire North who wrote and told me that he would not be agreeing to my request to support the change in age of consent to 16 for gay sex because he was the father of two small children and he needed to protect them.<br />
Ahhh, traditional Tory family values&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hinchcliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57461</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hinchcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s Michael Brown hiding these days? What&#039;s his new name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s Michael Brown hiding these days? What&#8217;s his new name?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/a-little-local-trouble-for-michael-gove-3119.html#comment-57459</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is going to start smelling of the &quot;Back to Basics&quot; cock-up of the 90&#039;s if they arent careful. They should remember how when Major made the announcement the media went after Tory MPs looking for hypocrisy and found mountains of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is going to start smelling of the &#8220;Back to Basics&#8221; cock-up of the 90&#8242;s if they arent careful. They should remember how when Major made the announcement the media went after Tory MPs looking for hypocrisy and found mountains of it&#8230;</p>
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