Comments on: Attempt by Tories, Labour and BNP to oust Lib Dem fails by one vote http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Voter http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90165 Voter Fri, 15 May 2009 10:05:48 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90165 Does the level of shame not depend on the details of the deal struck? If you can get into power by making reasonable concessions, then you can enact the policies you think the people may want. I have no objection to the Lib Dems highlighting divisions in the Labour party. If one part of the party says "we will never work with the BNP" and another says "we have made a deal", then that is worthy of note. Does the level of shame not depend on the details of the deal struck?

If you can get into power by making reasonable concessions, then you can enact the policies you think the people may want.

I have no objection to the Lib Dems highlighting divisions in the Labour party. If one part of the party says “we will never work with the BNP” and another says “we have made a deal”, then that is worthy of note.

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90153 Hywel Fri, 15 May 2009 08:44:45 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90153 "However, trying to oust somebody, when it is clear you could only replace them with an actively supported joint Tory/Labour/BNP candidate, is extremely shameful." Which is exactly the situation here. Council balance is 22 LD, 12 Lab, 6 Con, 4 BNP (1 vacancy in a LD held seat & Labour Mayor) To quote President Bartlett, "what were the next 10 words". Is anyone seriously suggesting that with that arithmetic there wasn't a plan for if they'd won the vote? “However, trying to oust somebody, when it is clear you could only replace them with an actively supported joint Tory/Labour/BNP candidate, is extremely shameful.”

Which is exactly the situation here.

Council balance is
22 LD, 12 Lab, 6 Con, 4 BNP (1 vacancy in a LD held seat & Labour Mayor)

To quote President Bartlett, “what were the next 10 words”. Is anyone seriously suggesting that with that arithmetic there wasn’t a plan for if they’d won the vote?

]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90152 Letters From A Tory Fri, 15 May 2009 08:30:42 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90152 Errr, I'm sorry, since when has tactical voting become such a scandal? Errr, I’m sorry, since when has tactical voting become such a scandal?

]]> By: Joe Otten http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90149 Joe Otten Fri, 15 May 2009 08:06:21 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90149 I think this is a fairly but not entirely cheap shot. If there were a Labour or Tory candidate for council leader, we would expect Lib Dems and BNP to vote against them. So this voting together business is not in itself criminal. However, trying to oust somebody, when it is clear you could only replace them with an actively supported joint Tory/Labour/BNP candidate, is extremely shameful. I think this is a fairly but not entirely cheap shot.

If there were a Labour or Tory candidate for council leader, we would expect Lib Dems and BNP to vote against them. So this voting together business is not in itself criminal.

However, trying to oust somebody, when it is clear you could only replace them with an actively supported joint Tory/Labour/BNP candidate, is extremely shameful.

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90146 Hywel Fri, 15 May 2009 07:34:40 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90146 "So what’s the rule - parties have to decide their actions and votes purely by reference to what is the opposite of what the BNP are doing?" This was a vote to decide the leader of the Council - so of huge symbolic and practical importance hardly any ordinary vote. Bottom line - Labour and the Tories would rather work with the BNP than see a Lib Dem elected as leader If Labour and the Tories are willing to seek the support of the BNP to win political power then what do they do next week? “So what’s the rule – parties have to decide their actions and votes purely by reference to what is the opposite of what the BNP are doing?”

This was a vote to decide the leader of the Council – so of huge symbolic and practical importance hardly any ordinary vote.

Bottom line – Labour and the Tories would rather work with the BNP than see a Lib Dem elected as leader

If Labour and the Tories are willing to seek the support of the BNP to win political power then what do they do next week?

]]> By: Geoffrey Payne http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90143 Geoffrey Payne Fri, 15 May 2009 06:21:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90143 It is hard to know what conclusions to draw without any information about how this came about and what the issues are. The BNP will vote against anything and maybe sometimes for completely different reasons would vote the same way as the other political parties, sometimes including the LDs. Certainly doesn't mean we have anything in common with them. It is hard to know what conclusions to draw without any information about how this came about and what the issues are. The BNP will vote against anything and maybe sometimes for completely different reasons would vote the same way as the other political parties, sometimes including the LDs. Certainly doesn’t mean we have anything in common with them.

]]> By: Meandyew http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90142 Meandyew Fri, 15 May 2009 06:17:23 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90142 Given the ludicrous expenses claims by the local MP. Living in a house for 4 years then deciding we can pay for the plumbing and decor then we really need to hammer this home and unseat this vile freeloader. Given the ludicrous expenses claims by the local MP. Living in a house for 4 years then deciding we can pay for the plumbing and decor then we really need to hammer this home and unseat this vile freeloader.

]]> By: Costigan Quist http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90141 Costigan Quist Fri, 15 May 2009 05:45:36 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90141 Clearly not, as the didn't, but if you get into bed with the BNP, don't be surprised if your political opponents mention it and use it against you. Given Labour's national stance on the BNP, working with them to bring down a Lib Dem says something about Labour in Burnley. The voters have every right to know about it and draw their own conclusions about Labour's real attitude to tackling the far right. Clearly not, as the didn’t, but if you get into bed with the BNP, don’t be surprised if your political opponents mention it and use it against you.

Given Labour’s national stance on the BNP, working with them to bring down a Lib Dem says something about Labour in Burnley.

The voters have every right to know about it and draw their own conclusions about Labour’s real attitude to tackling the far right.

]]> By: greg http://www.libdemvoice.org/burnley-council-14590.html#comment-90140 greg Fri, 15 May 2009 05:37:22 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=14590#comment-90140 So what's the rule - parties have to decide their actions and votes purely by reference to what is the opposite of what the BNP are doing? So what’s the rule – parties have to decide their actions and votes purely by reference to what is the opposite of what the BNP are doing?

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