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	<title>Comments on: Can you sum up the purpose of the Lib Dems in a sentence? (Or &#8216;The Quest for the Lib Dem Holy Grail&#8217;).</title>
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		<title>By: David Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years ago I wrote this in Liberator:
&quot;Liberalism is a hard creed to follow, and I still believe it is a creed or, if you prefer, an ideology.  It combines an analysis of society with a set of aims and methods for achieving them.  It has something to say about the role of governments and the role of  individuals.   It does not say, “Look after yourself and don’t expect anyone, especially the state, to help” – the guiding theme of Conservatism over the years.   It does not say, “Don’t worry.  The state will look after you” – the inspiration of socialism now transmuted into “Don’t worry.  The state will tell you what to do and how and when to do it in precisely defined quantities”.   Liberalism asks each of us to think for ourselves and to work for each other.   It accepts the incommensurability of individual desires and the value of diversity to society.  It is the practical working out of liberty.  I leave you with William Hazlitt: “The love of liberty is the love of others, the love of power is the love of ourselves.”
Much too long of course but how about the phrase: &quot;Liberalism asks each of us to think for ourselves and to work for each other.&quot;
  
I also like &quot;A Liberal is an anarchist who has compromised with reality&quot;, but I must admit I was talking about Liberalism.  There is a party called Liberal Democrats, there is a widespread system called liberal democracy but there is no ideology called &quot;Liberal Democracy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago I wrote this in Liberator:<br />
&#8220;Liberalism is a hard creed to follow, and I still believe it is a creed or, if you prefer, an ideology.  It combines an analysis of society with a set of aims and methods for achieving them.  It has something to say about the role of governments and the role of  individuals.   It does not say, “Look after yourself and don’t expect anyone, especially the state, to help” – the guiding theme of Conservatism over the years.   It does not say, “Don’t worry.  The state will look after you” – the inspiration of socialism now transmuted into “Don’t worry.  The state will tell you what to do and how and when to do it in precisely defined quantities”.   Liberalism asks each of us to think for ourselves and to work for each other.   It accepts the incommensurability of individual desires and the value of diversity to society.  It is the practical working out of liberty.  I leave you with William Hazlitt: “The love of liberty is the love of others, the love of power is the love of ourselves.”<br />
Much too long of course but how about the phrase: &#8220;Liberalism asks each of us to think for ourselves and to work for each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also like &#8220;A Liberal is an anarchist who has compromised with reality&#8221;, but I must admit I was talking about Liberalism.  There is a party called Liberal Democrats, there is a widespread system called liberal democracy but there is no ideology called &#8220;Liberal Democracy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of these slogans have too many syllables for the average voter. Always pitch it at a reading age of 7, and you won&#039;t go far wrong. Depressing but true, in my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these slogans have too many syllables for the average voter. Always pitch it at a reading age of 7, and you won&#8217;t go far wrong. Depressing but true, in my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Antony Hook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antony Hook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great Enzo Ferrari was once asked what makes a beautiful car.  He said, &quot;the most beautiful car is the one that wins the most races.&quot;

I can&#039;t help but feel a similar rule applies to political slogans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great Enzo Ferrari was once asked what makes a beautiful car.  He said, &#8220;the most beautiful car is the one that wins the most races.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but feel a similar rule applies to political slogans.</p>
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		<title>By: David Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Anonymous, I would concede that &quot;future&quot; fails to set us apart from the Greens.  But as for the Tories and Labour, they supported an illegal war for oil in Iraq, and they show every sign of burning it all up until it runs out, so what sort of future will they leave us with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Anonymous, I would concede that &#8220;future&#8221; fails to set us apart from the Greens.  But as for the Tories and Labour, they supported an illegal war for oil in Iraq, and they show every sign of burning it all up until it runs out, so what sort of future will they leave us with?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I like “Freedom, Fairness, and the Future”.&quot;

I still have to see a political party that is against future. Shouldn&#039;t it be something which distinguish Liberal Democrats from other parties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I like “Freedom, Fairness, and the Future”.&#8221;</p>
<p>I still have to see a political party that is against future. Shouldn&#8217;t it be something which distinguish Liberal Democrats from other parties?</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble with &quot;fairness&quot; is that it means, as Humpty Dumpty said, &quot;Whatever I want it to mean&quot;.

Liberals and Conservatives both believe in fairness but understand quite different things by it. &quot;Fairness&quot; was the Conservatives&#039; primary justification for the Poll Tax while to most Liberals it was one of the most unfair ever devised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with &#8220;fairness&#8221; is that it means, as Humpty Dumpty said, &#8220;Whatever I want it to mean&#8221;.</p>
<p>Liberals and Conservatives both believe in fairness but understand quite different things by it. &#8220;Fairness&#8221; was the Conservatives&#8217; primary justification for the Poll Tax while to most Liberals it was one of the most unfair ever devised.</p>
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		<title>By: David Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Freedom, fairness, and trust.&quot;

Well, I like the first two.  &quot;Freedom&quot; on its own is unbalanced.  &quot;Freedom and fairness&quot; shows what we have successfully learnt from forming an alliance between freedom-loving Liberals and fairness-loving SDPers.

&quot;Trust&quot; seems wrong now, though.  None of us politicians can reasonably expect the electorate to trust us these days.  To suggest that we deserve trust, without giving a pretty good reason, just sounds arrogant and off-putting.

I like &quot;Freedom, Fairness, and the Future&quot;.  

We care about the state of the planet in 50 years time, which is why we don&#039;t want WW3 to be a Christian crusade against the Muslim world, and we don&#039;t want to have burnt all the oil.  This is our message for the young.  And it alliterates, so it must be right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Freedom, fairness, and trust.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I like the first two.  &#8220;Freedom&#8221; on its own is unbalanced.  &#8220;Freedom and fairness&#8221; shows what we have successfully learnt from forming an alliance between freedom-loving Liberals and fairness-loving SDPers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Trust&#8221; seems wrong now, though.  None of us politicians can reasonably expect the electorate to trust us these days.  To suggest that we deserve trust, without giving a pretty good reason, just sounds arrogant and off-putting.</p>
<p>I like &#8220;Freedom, Fairness, and the Future&#8221;.  </p>
<p>We care about the state of the planet in 50 years time, which is why we don&#8217;t want WW3 to be a Christian crusade against the Muslim world, and we don&#8217;t want to have burnt all the oil.  This is our message for the young.  And it alliterates, so it must be right!</p>
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		<title>By: Alix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting:

&quot;Fairness is not a word universally cherished within Labour, and one senior centre-left activist sighs if she hears it. She said: &quot;I didn&#039;t join the party for things to be &#039;fair&#039;. I joined to get nearer to utopia. That&#039;s why I prefer the word &#039;aspiration&#039;.&quot;&quot;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/04/queens-speech-fairness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fairness is not a word universally cherished within Labour, and one senior centre-left activist sighs if she hears it. She said: &#8220;I didn&#8217;t join the party for things to be &#8216;fair&#8217;. I joined to get nearer to utopia. That&#8217;s why I prefer the word &#8216;aspiration&#8217;.&#8221;"</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/04/queens-speech-fairness" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/04/queens-speech-fairness</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘No-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity’.

Andrew, you rightly point out that Labour and Tories would not have put in the &quot;conformity&quot; bit.  However, I think they would both have been comfortable with the &quot;poverty&quot; and &quot;ignorance&quot; bits.  So, when you say that it is a distinctive message for us, the distinctive bit does really rather boil down to &quot;We like oddballs!&quot;  Which may be true, but, is that the best one-line slogan to maximise our support?

Mastthew, you rightly point out how well the whole piece is drafted to make it clear what we stand for.  To me it has a beautifully old-fashioned moral tone - a bit Reithian BBC - which modern politics, to its detriment, has largely lost.  It does still look good on the membership card, and it does still provide a vital reference as to what we stand for.  But we do also need one-liner soundbites I&#039;m afraid, and I don&#039;t think it does for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘No-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity’.</p>
<p>Andrew, you rightly point out that Labour and Tories would not have put in the &#8220;conformity&#8221; bit.  However, I think they would both have been comfortable with the &#8220;poverty&#8221; and &#8220;ignorance&#8221; bits.  So, when you say that it is a distinctive message for us, the distinctive bit does really rather boil down to &#8220;We like oddballs!&#8221;  Which may be true, but, is that the best one-line slogan to maximise our support?</p>
<p>Mastthew, you rightly point out how well the whole piece is drafted to make it clear what we stand for.  To me it has a beautifully old-fashioned moral tone &#8211; a bit Reithian BBC &#8211; which modern politics, to its detriment, has largely lost.  It does still look good on the membership card, and it does still provide a vital reference as to what we stand for.  But we do also need one-liner soundbites I&#8217;m afraid, and I don&#8217;t think it does for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For myself I would simply say:

&quot;Freedom and opportunity&quot;

Freedom has to be central but if left as a stand-alone word it can too easily be misunderstood in any number or ways - for instance as narrowly political freedom which never sways a majority of votes.

Linking it explicitly with &quot;opportunity&quot; makes it clear that freedom is not some ivory tower ideal but is the necessary and intensely practical foundation for real-world aspirations - whether you are mainly motivated by the economic dimension or by art or sport or whatever.

As for the notion of the political party as a brand raised by several contributors to this thread, the best definition of what makes for a successful brand is:

&quot;A compelling promise, consistently honoured.&quot;

And therein lies much of the LibDems continued lack of electoral success at Westminster - we fail on both parts.  Why this should be so and how to fix it is the Party&#039;s most urgent problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For myself I would simply say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Freedom and opportunity&#8221;</p>
<p>Freedom has to be central but if left as a stand-alone word it can too easily be misunderstood in any number or ways &#8211; for instance as narrowly political freedom which never sways a majority of votes.</p>
<p>Linking it explicitly with &#8220;opportunity&#8221; makes it clear that freedom is not some ivory tower ideal but is the necessary and intensely practical foundation for real-world aspirations &#8211; whether you are mainly motivated by the economic dimension or by art or sport or whatever.</p>
<p>As for the notion of the political party as a brand raised by several contributors to this thread, the best definition of what makes for a successful brand is:</p>
<p>&#8220;A compelling promise, consistently honoured.&#8221;</p>
<p>And therein lies much of the LibDems continued lack of electoral success at Westminster &#8211; we fail on both parts.  Why this should be so and how to fix it is the Party&#8217;s most urgent problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Huntbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Huntbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave B

There may have been a time when Labour worked for the public sector trade unions, but that was a long time ago. Just as there may have been a time, long, long ago, when the Conservatives worked for old duffers who didn&#039;t want the world to change rather than for smart City folk who&#039;d smash anything up so long as there was a profit in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave B</p>
<p>There may have been a time when Labour worked for the public sector trade unions, but that was a long time ago. Just as there may have been a time, long, long ago, when the Conservatives worked for old duffers who didn&#8217;t want the world to change rather than for smart City folk who&#8217;d smash anything up so long as there was a profit in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that to succeed you need to displace Labour as the party of the left, just as they displaced the Liberals, perhaps you would be better served by emphasising that Labour work for the public sector trade unions rather than the public. 

Lib-Dems: lefties that work for the public, not just the public sector trade unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that to succeed you need to displace Labour as the party of the left, just as they displaced the Liberals, perhaps you would be better served by emphasising that Labour work for the public sector trade unions rather than the public. </p>
<p>Lib-Dems: lefties that work for the public, not just the public sector trade unions.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may be right. It was possibly a puppet of Paddy rather than the man himself. Had me fooled though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may be right. It was possibly a puppet of Paddy rather than the man himself. Had me fooled though.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurence, 
I don&#039;t think that was actually Paddy on SI all those years ago, but I see where you&#039;re going...

It&#039;s about getting the best of all worlds and the worst of none.

It&#039;s about maximising our potential. 

It&#039;s about delivery.

Isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence,<br />
I don&#8217;t think that was actually Paddy on SI all those years ago, but I see where you&#8217;re going&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about getting the best of all worlds and the worst of none.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about maximising our potential. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about delivery.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Turvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Turvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political ideas are meaningless if no one would ever sensibly argue the opposite.

However, I think many conservatives and many socialists would actually disagree with &quot;Freedom from conformity&quot;. Conservatives traditionally see social pressures as a positive force that strengthens society and makes communities more cohensive. Non-conformity is bad and puts that all at risk. Liberals say non-conformism is good.

Soialists also see conformism as good - they see it in the context of solidarity, equality and fairness. Again, liberals want people to be able to have different treatment, in the way they want.

So here you have a slogan that does actually mean something, and does distinguish ourselves from our political opponents.

It&#039;s also popular and timely, given the CCTV and Damien Green society we have ended up in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political ideas are meaningless if no one would ever sensibly argue the opposite.</p>
<p>However, I think many conservatives and many socialists would actually disagree with &#8220;Freedom from conformity&#8221;. Conservatives traditionally see social pressures as a positive force that strengthens society and makes communities more cohensive. Non-conformity is bad and puts that all at risk. Liberals say non-conformism is good.</p>
<p>Soialists also see conformism as good &#8211; they see it in the context of solidarity, equality and fairness. Again, liberals want people to be able to have different treatment, in the way they want.</p>
<p>So here you have a slogan that does actually mean something, and does distinguish ourselves from our political opponents.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also popular and timely, given the CCTV and Damien Green society we have ended up in!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Turvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Turvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our slogan, brand and ideals have to be built on a positive ideology. Sorry, but Centrism, reasonableness and so on won&#039;t do!

I like the idea before, turned on it&#039;s head:

&quot;Freeing Britain from poverty, ignorance and conformity&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our slogan, brand and ideals have to be built on a positive ideology. Sorry, but Centrism, reasonableness and so on won&#8217;t do!</p>
<p>I like the idea before, turned on it&#8217;s head:</p>
<p>&#8220;Freeing Britain from poverty, ignorance and conformity&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Huntbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Huntbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour and Tory may be able to agree with &quot;No-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity&quot;, but with things like this it&#039;s where you place the emphasis. We might all agree with &quot;fairness&quot; and &quot;wealth creation&quot;, but that doesn&#039;t stop one being seen as Labour&#039;s main purpose and the other as the Tories&#039; (whatever happened to &quot;keeping things the same&quot;? which surely ought to be what a &quot;Conservative&quot; Party is about). 

I&#039;m not sure of the history of the &quot;poverty, ignorance and conformity&quot; slogan, but it seems to have been designed deliberately to suggest a version of liberalism which isn&#039;t what is now called &quot;libertarianism&quot;. The libertarian would say &quot;no-one shall be enslaved by the state&quot; and refuse to acknowledge the existence of any other form of slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour and Tory may be able to agree with &#8220;No-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity&#8221;, but with things like this it&#8217;s where you place the emphasis. We might all agree with &#8220;fairness&#8221; and &#8220;wealth creation&#8221;, but that doesn&#8217;t stop one being seen as Labour&#8217;s main purpose and the other as the Tories&#8217; (whatever happened to &#8220;keeping things the same&#8221;? which surely ought to be what a &#8220;Conservative&#8221; Party is about). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the history of the &#8220;poverty, ignorance and conformity&#8221; slogan, but it seems to have been designed deliberately to suggest a version of liberalism which isn&#8217;t what is now called &#8220;libertarianism&#8221;. The libertarian would say &#8220;no-one shall be enslaved by the state&#8221; and refuse to acknowledge the existence of any other form of slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, Paddy Ashdown used frequently to summarise our vision on &lt;i&gt;Spitting Image&lt;/i&gt; all those years ago.

Liberal Democrats are NEITHER one thing, NOR the other, but SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, Paddy Ashdown used frequently to summarise our vision on <i>Spitting Image</i> all those years ago.</p>
<p>Liberal Democrats are NEITHER one thing, NOR the other, but SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.</p>
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		<title>By: ciyulk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ciyulk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if you want something vague but all-encompassing - &quot;Liberal Democrats - real people for the real world&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if you want something vague but all-encompassing &#8211; &#8220;Liberal Democrats &#8211; real people for the real world&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hemsley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Hemsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can’t have a liberal society without democracy.

You can’t have a liberal state without democracy, perhaps.

But you can have a liberal society without a state.&quot;

That society still needs democracy, even if it is not established parliamentary democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can’t have a liberal society without democracy.</p>
<p>You can’t have a liberal state without democracy, perhaps.</p>
<p>But you can have a liberal society without a state.&#8221;</p>
<p>That society still needs democracy, even if it is not established parliamentary democracy.</p>
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