Comments on: Conservative expenses scandals spread http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Stuart http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51812 Stuart Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:53:16 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51812 @Sesenco: that's only because our (LD) share is so high. @Sesenco: that’s only because our (LD) share is so high.

]]> By: Sesenco http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51786 Sesenco Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:33:59 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51786 "ICM S.TELEGRAPH Con 42 Lab 26 LibDem 21 lead up 2 points to 16" Tory share still lower than it was in 1979, 1983 and 1987, and about par with 1992. The Tories need to be doing far better than this two years away from a General Election. “ICM S.TELEGRAPH Con 42 Lab 26 LibDem 21 lead up 2 points to 16″

Tory share still lower than it was in 1979, 1983 and 1987, and about par with 1992. The Tories need to be doing far better than this two years away from a General Election.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51785 Stuart Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:41:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51785 From today's edition of the Sun, "MEP Sajjad Karim also faces questions after paying his wife Zahida £26,000 a year of taxpayers’ cash." I am sure the Conservatives are very pleased to have him on board. From today’s edition of the Sun, “MEP Sajjad Karim also faces questions after paying his wife Zahida £26,000 a year of taxpayers’ cash.”

I am sure the Conservatives are very pleased to have him on board.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51611 Stuart Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:39:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51611 @bishop Hill: I would suggest that any politician of whichever colour who has been fiddling their expenses and in effect stealing taxpayers' money (aka my money) deserves everything they get. The fact that they wear a yellow rosette at election time would not make me any more forgiving. @bishop Hill: I would suggest that any politician of whichever colour who has been fiddling their expenses and in effect stealing taxpayers’ money (aka my money) deserves everything they get. The fact that they wear a yellow rosette at election time would not make me any more forgiving.

]]> By: davy http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51600 davy Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:07:33 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51600 ICM S.TELEGRAPH Con 42 Lab 26 LibDem 21 lead up 2 points to 16 LOL! Nuffsaid ICM S.TELEGRAPH Con 42 Lab 26 LibDem 21 lead up 2 points to 16

LOL! Nuffsaid

]]> By: Russ http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51589 Russ Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:23:47 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51589 Off the hook with the media, I should stress, who drive these things forward. Not actually innocent of wrongdoing. Off the hook with the media, I should stress, who drive these things forward. Not actually innocent of wrongdoing.

]]> By: Rod http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51582 Rod Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:17:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51582 Have you read the latest on BBC website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7442053.stm Have you read the latest on BBC website.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7442053.stm

]]> By: Russ http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51581 Russ Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:16:47 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51581 Mmmm, the nanny's statement in the last couple of hours does seem to have let Caroline off the hook. So I guess all bets and related debates are off, at least until the next bit of account-fiddling comes to light. These politicians never let us down, I'm sure it won't be more than a week or so... Mmmm, the nanny’s statement in the last couple of hours does seem to have let Caroline off the hook. So I guess all bets and related debates are off, at least until the next bit of account-fiddling comes to light. These politicians never let us down, I’m sure it won’t be more than a week or so…

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51575 Laurence Boyce Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:58:07 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51575 <i>Let us assume that Laurence is suggesting Caroline’s involvement with the Conservative Christian Fellowship makes her wrongdoing somehow more heinous (or at least interesting) than if she wasn’t involved.</i> Well if I was doing that, it would be a fairly standard case of pointing out religious hypocrisy. But in fact what I really think is that being a Conservative Christian is a far greater crime than any mere financial scandal! ;) Especially this one which is looking like small beer . . . Let us assume that Laurence is suggesting Caroline’s involvement with the Conservative Christian Fellowship makes her wrongdoing somehow more heinous (or at least interesting) than if she wasn’t involved.

Well if I was doing that, it would be a fairly standard case of pointing out religious hypocrisy. But in fact what I really think is that being a Conservative Christian is a far greater crime than any mere financial scandal! ;) Especially this one which is looking like small beer . . .

]]> By: bishop Hill http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51574 bishop Hill Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:58:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51574 I do wonder if Labour and LibDems need to be a bit cautious here. The Open Europe survey which started off this run of scandals found Labour and LibDem MEPs even more reluctant to disclose their expenses than Conservatives. I do wonder if Labour and LibDems need to be a bit cautious here. The Open Europe survey which started off this run of scandals found Labour and LibDem MEPs even more reluctant to disclose their expenses than Conservatives.

]]> By: Russ http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51573 Russ Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:38:52 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51573 I'm fine with the irony. Let us assume that Laurence is suggesting Caroline's involvement with the Conservative Christian Fellowship makes her wrongdoing somehow more heinous (or at least interesting) than if she wasn't involved. My question is, why would that be the case? My own feeling is that it undermines a rock-solid case against corruption in Parliament if we get distracted by irrelevant innuendoes or existing prejudices. If Laurence, or anyone else, wants to argue the relevance of Caroline's work with the CCF, I'd invite them to do so. I’m fine with the irony. Let us assume that Laurence is suggesting Caroline’s involvement with the Conservative Christian Fellowship makes her wrongdoing somehow more heinous (or at least interesting) than if she wasn’t involved. My question is, why would that be the case? My own feeling is that it undermines a rock-solid case against corruption in Parliament if we get distracted by irrelevant innuendoes or existing prejudices.

If Laurence, or anyone else, wants to argue the relevance of Caroline’s work with the CCF, I’d invite them to do so.

]]> By: Not again http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51572 Not again Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:29:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51572 What is the difference in paying a nanny and claiming childcare expenses? What is the difference in paying a nanny and claiming childcare expenses?

]]> By: Stuart http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51570 Stuart Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:50:16 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51570 I've now watched her statement to the press from the gate of her large country house. This brings the mid-90s all back to me. What fun! I’ve now watched her statement to the press from the gate of her large country house. This brings the mid-90s all back to me. What fun!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51569 Anonymous Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:36:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51569 Russ, I guess you don't understand irony? Russ, I guess you don’t understand irony?

]]> By: Russ http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51568 Russ Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:31:58 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51568 Sorry Laurence, I don't understand your point. She's an MP and she's used tax-payers' cash to pay her nanny. And she's rightly facing questions over her future. What does her work with the Conservative Christian Fellowship have to do with it? Sorry Laurence, I don’t understand your point. She’s an MP and she’s used tax-payers’ cash to pay her nanny. And she’s rightly facing questions over her future. What does her work with the Conservative Christian Fellowship have to do with it?

]]> By: Mund http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51551 Mund Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:02:32 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51551 Hehe Hehe

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51549 Laurence Boyce Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:46:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51549 Before you all rush to condemn Caroline, please bear in mind that she is a <a href="http://www.ccfwebsite.com/people.html" rel="nofollow">trustee of the Conservative Christian Fellowship</a>, so I'm sure she can't have done anything wrong. Before you all rush to condemn Caroline, please bear in mind that she is a trustee of the Conservative Christian Fellowship, so I’m sure she can’t have done anything wrong.

]]> By: Russ http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51546 Russ Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:29:20 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51546 The BBC quotes the nanny saying she remembers answering the phone to take some messages from time to time, and posting some letters. I'm not a fan of Guido's, but he's right - MPs engaged in this sort of deception are stealing from the public. If I nicked thousands of pounds out of an MP's purse I'd be prosecuted, so why aresn't MPs prosecuted when they steal thousands of pounds out of mine? The BBC quotes the nanny saying she remembers answering the phone to take some messages from time to time, and posting some letters. I’m not a fan of Guido’s, but he’s right – MPs engaged in this sort of deception are stealing from the public. If I nicked thousands of pounds out of an MP’s purse I’d be prosecuted, so why aresn’t MPs prosecuted when they steal thousands of pounds out of mine?

]]> By: Peter http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51545 Peter Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:53:36 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51545 Persoanlly I enjoy the weak excuses. The Spelman story that the Nanny worked for board and lodging in her childcare role and for cash as a secretary is classic. Everyone else seems to go for the "extreme stupidity" excuse: they cannot be expected to understand the rules. Persoanlly I enjoy the weak excuses. The Spelman story that the Nanny worked for board and lodging in her childcare role and for cash as a secretary is classic. Everyone else seems to go for the “extreme stupidity” excuse: they cannot be expected to understand the rules.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/caroline-spelman-2814.html#comment-51537 Anonymous Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:58:45 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2814#comment-51537 OK, just hand the stone to me, if your hands are in dirt... ;-) OK, just hand the stone to me, if your hands are in dirt… ;-)

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