Comments on: Police change their tune on G20 CCTV coverage http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:13:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88484 Hywel Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:57:07 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88484 Police mismanagement caused the incident Police not prepared to admit they were at fault Access to the scene restricted because of the police claim there was "fighting" CCTV footage unavailable Black propaganda unit engaged in supporting a cover up All that happened 20 years ago Police mismanagement caused the incident
Police not prepared to admit they were at fault
Access to the scene restricted because of the police claim there was “fighting”
CCTV footage unavailable
Black propaganda unit engaged in supporting a cover up

All that happened 20 years ago

]]> By: Sesenco http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88418 Sesenco Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:39:37 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88418 The goon who killed Ian Tomlinson should be convicted of manslaughter and sat on a slop bucket. What will actually happen is as follows:- (1) His idenity will be protected. (2) He will not be prosecuted. (3) He will get promotion. (4) He will be given a brand new apron and trowel. The goon who killed Ian Tomlinson should be convicted of manslaughter and sat on a slop bucket.

What will actually happen is as follows:-

(1) His idenity will be protected.

(2) He will not be prosecuted.

(3) He will get promotion.

(4) He will be given a brand new apron and trowel.

]]> By: Merrick http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88414 Merrick Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:41:32 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88414 More than 100 officers were <a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/London-G20-Summit-2009-Police-To-Monitor-Citys-CCTV-Cameras-As-Security-Operation-Tightens/Article/200903415252761?f=rss" rel="nofollow">monitoring,</a> over 3,000 CCTV cameras, in an area that was known weeks in advance so they had plenty of time to ensure the system was working. Nick Hardwick, chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission, <a href="http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/ipcc+cctv+wasnt+working/3078297" rel="nofollow">says</a> "We don't have CCTV footage of the incident... there is no CCTV footage, there were no cameras in the location where he was assaulted." This has now been amended to 'the CCTV cameras weren't working'. De Menezes II. More than 100 officers were monitoring, over 3,000 CCTV cameras, in an area that was known weeks in advance so they had plenty of time to ensure the system was working.

Nick Hardwick, chairman of the Independent Police Complaints Commission, says “We don’t have CCTV footage of the incident… there is no CCTV footage, there were no cameras in the location where he was assaulted.”

This has now been amended to ‘the CCTV cameras weren’t working’.

De Menezes II.

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88413 Oranjepan Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:38:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88413 LFaT, what next? will you be telling Ian Tomlinson's family that they should be glad to be rid of him? his death was his own fault? if he lived a healthier lifestyle etc etc? The man is dead and it was completely avoidable for goodness sake. That he wasn't wearing a zegna suit, that he may have been drunk, that he was a millwall fan, that he may have been acting provocatively etc is all completely and absolutely irrelevant. Nothing is more valuable than life itself. Every life is sacrosanct. The direct cause of Ian Tomlinson's death is utterly clear and anyone who even attempts to justify it should be ashamed of themselves. How the officer in question is dealt with will be a testimony of this government's attitude towards justice. LFaT,
what next? will you be telling Ian Tomlinson’s family that they should be glad to be rid of him? his death was his own fault? if he lived a healthier lifestyle etc etc?

The man is dead and it was completely avoidable for goodness sake.

That he wasn’t wearing a zegna suit, that he may have been drunk, that he was a millwall fan, that he may have been acting provocatively etc is all completely and absolutely irrelevant.

Nothing is more valuable than life itself. Every life is sacrosanct.

The direct cause of Ian Tomlinson’s death is utterly clear and anyone who even attempts to justify it should be ashamed of themselves.

How the officer in question is dealt with will be a testimony of this government’s attitude towards justice.

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88411 Hywel Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:25:10 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88411 Given the police warnings about potential disorder during the protests did they not undertake a review of all the CCTV systems to ensure they were all working in advance? Given the police warnings about potential disorder during the protests did they not undertake a review of all the CCTV systems to ensure they were all working in advance?

]]> By: Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88410 Mark Pack Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:05:58 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88410 No mystery: how quickly or not he got out of the way of a police van previously doesn't seem to me to excuse the direct physical action a policeman subsequently took against him. Moreover, the very fact that those policeman moved him out of the way without him ending up on the ground rather shows up their colleague's subsequent behaviour as being unnecessary doesn't it? And I notice you're still plugging away quoting yourself as saying Ian Tomlinson was in "plain clothes" as if that someone helps explain away him being hit and pushed to the ground. No mystery: how quickly or not he got out of the way of a police van previously doesn’t seem to me to excuse the direct physical action a policeman subsequently took against him. Moreover, the very fact that those policeman moved him out of the way without him ending up on the ground rather shows up their colleague’s subsequent behaviour as being unnecessary doesn’t it? And I notice you’re still plugging away quoting yourself as saying Ian Tomlinson was in “plain clothes” as if that someone helps explain away him being hit and pushed to the ground.

]]> By: KL http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88407 KL Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:23:05 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88407 LFAT - well, you would say that, wouldn't you? Even if he did stand around drunk in front of a police van (and his family have admitted that he had alcohol problems) he does appear to have moved or been moved so that the van could proceed - and I don't think anyone would argue particularly strongly about the police doing that, provided the force used was reasonable. What wasn't acceptable was the apparent shove in the back when he was moving away from the police, nor was the alleged beating he received subsequently. That did not appear to be reasonable force. LFAT – well, you would say that, wouldn’t you?

Even if he did stand around drunk in front of a police van (and his family have admitted that he had alcohol problems) he does appear to have moved or been moved so that the van could proceed – and I don’t think anyone would argue particularly strongly about the police doing that, provided the force used was reasonable.

What wasn’t acceptable was the apparent shove in the back when he was moving away from the police, nor was the alleged beating he received subsequently. That did not appear to be reasonable force.

]]> By: NedDR http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88406 NedDR Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:46:12 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88406 "there were no cameras in the location where he was assaulted” - has Hardwick visited the site or is he just meekly accepting what the Police have told him? “there were no cameras in the location where he was assaulted” – has Hardwick visited the site or is he just meekly accepting what the Police have told him?

]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88405 Letters From A Tory Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:45:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88405 Oh I see Mark, so you're happy to discuss THIS aspect of the G20 protest evidence but <a href="http://www.lettersfromatory.com/2009/04/10/cowardly-left-wing-bloggers-ignore-new-ian-tomlinson-evidence/" rel="nofollow">you mysteriously ignore other evidence that doesn't suit your agenda.</a> Oh I see Mark, so you’re happy to discuss THIS aspect of the G20 protest evidence but you mysteriously ignore other evidence that doesn’t suit your agenda.

]]> By: Tina Louise http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88399 Tina Louise Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:16:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88399 Excellent round-up, thank you. Excellent round-up, thank you.

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88398 Oranjepan Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:34:26 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88398 Redlands LibDems has an interesting piece offering a local perspective on the conflict between CCTV and the Police. http://www.redlandslibdems.org.uk/2009/04/more-police-not-cctv-the-way-to-cut-crime.html Redlands LibDems has an interesting piece offering a local perspective on the conflict between CCTV and the Police.

http://www.redlandslibdems.org.uk/2009/04/more-police-not-cctv-the-way-to-cut-crime.html

]]> By: Peter1919 http://www.libdemvoice.org/cctv-footage-ian-tomlinson-g20-death-13515.html#comment-88396 Peter1919 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:28:36 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13515#comment-88396 Funny how all the CCTV footage ofen seems to go missing when the police are/might be at fault isn't it? :-( Funny how all the CCTV footage ofen seems to go missing when the police are/might be at fault isn’t it? :-(

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