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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36942</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a disgrace that Andrew Stunell has been removed from the Local Govt job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a disgrace that Andrew Stunell has been removed from the Local Govt job.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus J Huck</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36800</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus J Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Buckle at No 53 asks:

&quot;What has happened to Dr. Evan Harris MP?&quot;

He was last spotted on Newsnight defending Dr David Southall and Professor Sir Roy Meadow.

If Dr Harris would occasionally argue FOR the public interest and not against it, he could yet prove to be a formidable advocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Buckle at No 53 asks:</p>
<p>&#8220;What has happened to Dr. Evan Harris MP?&#8221;</p>
<p>He was last spotted on Newsnight defending Dr David Southall and Professor Sir Roy Meadow.</p>
<p>If Dr Harris would occasionally argue FOR the public interest and not against it, he could yet prove to be a formidable advocate.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus J Huck</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36799</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus J Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 22:

&quot;Tim Farron is MP for Westmorland and Lonsdale… i’m sure that he knows plenty about farming!&quot;

Indeed. Hucks have been farming Shap Fells since the time of Henry VII and probably a good deal longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No 22:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tim Farron is MP for Westmorland and Lonsdale… i’m sure that he knows plenty about farming!&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. Hucks have been farming Shap Fells since the time of Henry VII and probably a good deal longer.</p>
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		<title>By: David Buckle</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Buckle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has happened to Dr. Evan Harris MP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has happened to Dr. Evan Harris MP?</p>
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		<title>By: Jo A</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36688</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Paddy should get something...particularly after going to all the trouble of telling everyone he was the target of a secretive poaching attempt from Gordo...I should try that tactic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Paddy should get something&#8230;particularly after going to all the trouble of telling everyone he was the target of a secretive poaching attempt from Gordo&#8230;I should try that tactic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - good to see Sarah replace Lembit - she has the credibility to deal with a sector which will tend to judge us harshly.

Don&#039;t underestimate Don: he manages to get some quite good coverage for an essentially unpromising brief.

I feel it&#039;s a good lineup and shows we have moved on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; good to see Sarah replace Lembit &#8211; she has the credibility to deal with a sector which will tend to judge us harshly.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t underestimate Don: he manages to get some quite good coverage for an essentially unpromising brief.</p>
<p>I feel it&#8217;s a good lineup and shows we have moved on</p>
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		<title>By: Eldoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eldoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy @ 30, yes the manifesto chair has been taken from Steve Webb. Not a surprise really given that Webb is not on the same wing of the party as Clegg.

There are interesting times ahead for us. I really hope this Shadow Cabinet works. Largely because if it doesn&#039;t, then who the hell is left!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy @ 30, yes the manifesto chair has been taken from Steve Webb. Not a surprise really given that Webb is not on the same wing of the party as Clegg.</p>
<p>There are interesting times ahead for us. I really hope this Shadow Cabinet works. Largely because if it doesn&#8217;t, then who the hell is left!</p>
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		<title>By: GRIMOND1</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRIMOND1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pleased largely with Nick&#039;s first shadow cabinet. Particularly pleased with promotions for Jeremy Browne, David Laws, Ed Davey, Stephen Williams, my old friend Tim Farron, Julia Goldsworthy and Steve Webb. Some real talent in there and plenty more waiting in the wings for future roles - Jo Swinson has to get something long term. She&#039;s very personable and telegenic! Good to see Ming and Charles with roles too but i&#039;d really like to see Nick giving something to Paddy in the run up to the GE. Paddy is our most respected politician (for many the best PM we never had) and given his closeness to Nick, i think he&#039;d really be able to sell Nick&#039;s potential to the electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pleased largely with Nick&#8217;s first shadow cabinet. Particularly pleased with promotions for Jeremy Browne, David Laws, Ed Davey, Stephen Williams, my old friend Tim Farron, Julia Goldsworthy and Steve Webb. Some real talent in there and plenty more waiting in the wings for future roles &#8211; Jo Swinson has to get something long term. She&#8217;s very personable and telegenic! Good to see Ming and Charles with roles too but i&#8217;d really like to see Nick giving something to Paddy in the run up to the GE. Paddy is our most respected politician (for many the best PM we never had) and given his closeness to Nick, i think he&#8217;d really be able to sell Nick&#8217;s potential to the electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Rubie Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain Rubie Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Willie Rennie could claim to be from a northern urban seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Willie Rennie could claim to be from a northern urban seat.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36656</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an external perspective (that of the floating voter) the party will be lucky to get its leader noticed, let alone anybody else (I think that&#039;s true of the Tories as well). From an internal party perspective it is interesting that the most &#039;sensitive&#039; posts - those related to publuc service reform - are in the hands of those on the economically liberal (as well as socially liberal) wing of the party. Home Affairs is high profile but largely uncontentious within the party.

It would be interesting to speculate on what Huhne&#039;s team would have been like had he won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an external perspective (that of the floating voter) the party will be lucky to get its leader noticed, let alone anybody else (I think that&#8217;s true of the Tories as well). From an internal party perspective it is interesting that the most &#8216;sensitive&#8217; posts &#8211; those related to publuc service reform &#8211; are in the hands of those on the economically liberal (as well as socially liberal) wing of the party. Home Affairs is high profile but largely uncontentious within the party.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to speculate on what Huhne&#8217;s team would have been like had he won.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Andrew Stunnell and Paul Holmes gone that on my reckoning leaves only one member from a northern urban seat - a certain Nick Clegg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Andrew Stunnell and Paul Holmes gone that on my reckoning leaves only one member from a northern urban seat &#8211; a certain Nick Clegg.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo A</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36650</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think you should have your attitude assessed with a personality quiz when you are on welfare - if you are geniunely looking for and are eager to work they should go easy on you - for the rest go tough.

I&#039;ve been unemployed and on a course with other unemployed young people. My calculations told me 60-70% did want a job but 30-40% really did not want one and were actually doing things to avoid one at all costs (such as pretending not to be able to read when literacy skills were evident just not very strong...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think you should have your attitude assessed with a personality quiz when you are on welfare &#8211; if you are geniunely looking for and are eager to work they should go easy on you &#8211; for the rest go tough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been unemployed and on a course with other unemployed young people. My calculations told me 60-70% did want a job but 30-40% really did not want one and were actually doing things to avoid one at all costs (such as pretending not to be able to read when literacy skills were evident just not very strong&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jo A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to Jeremy Browne and Chris Huhne - I haven&#039;t blogged on this as I have been too busy being a student and watching Postman Pat...sorry!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to Jeremy Browne and Chris Huhne &#8211; I haven&#8217;t blogged on this as I have been too busy being a student and watching Postman Pat&#8230;sorry!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Bright</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/cleggs-new-shadow-cabinet-1858.html#comment-36644</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly wish it was a red herring, Charles.

Peter Hain confirmed on December 13th that by 2010 benefits will be withdrawn for lone parents unwilling to make themselves available for work because they have a child/children as young as seven. I would be delighted to be proved wrong but the media coverage (including an interview he did for BBC News 24)indicates that David Laws supports these moves.

Other Orange Bookers are on record supporting the tough love/Wisconsin welfare programme.

In my attitudes towards the NHS and education I would place myself on the right of the party. But this welfare stuff really worries me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly wish it was a red herring, Charles.</p>
<p>Peter Hain confirmed on December 13th that by 2010 benefits will be withdrawn for lone parents unwilling to make themselves available for work because they have a child/children as young as seven. I would be delighted to be proved wrong but the media coverage (including an interview he did for BBC News 24)indicates that David Laws supports these moves.</p>
<p>Other Orange Bookers are on record supporting the tough love/Wisconsin welfare programme.</p>
<p>In my attitudes towards the NHS and education I would place myself on the right of the party. But this welfare stuff really worries me.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Anglin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Anglin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth,

I&#039;m not sure where that comes from - I think Steve is an exceptional mind, but he does oppose the changes on public services that Clegg has made clear that he wants to see. There are very few people in the party who would advocate slashing lone parent benefits - I think that&#039;s a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where that comes from &#8211; I think Steve is an exceptional mind, but he does oppose the changes on public services that Clegg has made clear that he wants to see. There are very few people in the party who would advocate slashing lone parent benefits &#8211; I think that&#8217;s a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there anyone in the Lib Dem parliamentary party that isn&#039;t in the so called shadow cabinet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anyone in the Lib Dem parliamentary party that isn&#8217;t in the so called shadow cabinet?</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Webb &#039;an obstacle to new thinking on public services&#039;. 

How patronising! You mean I suppose that he doesn&#039;t display sufficient enthusiasm for &#039;new thinking&#039; like slashing benefits to lone parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Webb &#8216;an obstacle to new thinking on public services&#8217;. </p>
<p>How patronising! You mean I suppose that he doesn&#8217;t display sufficient enthusiasm for &#8216;new thinking&#8217; like slashing benefits to lone parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good reshuffle IMO. It was obvious that Huhne was going to get either Home or Foreign. Some very able people in key briefs like Health, Schools, Environment, and some good promotions for talented younger MPs. Tim will do a very good job at Countryside - in addition to the hillfarming work mentioned, he is at the forefront of the rural housing issue. 

Slightly surprised by Lembit&#039;s new role - he would have liked to have got transport, I suspect - but feel it is probably a good thing to have got some fresh blood into the communities &amp; local govt brief. Andrew&#039;s experience of local govt was an increasingly long time ago and things had moved on considerably.

Am also pleased to see Ed in a heavyweight job again though I didn&#039;t expect it would be Foreign!

Others have noted that as one might expect, the Cleggites have done well and the Huhneites on the whole have suffered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good reshuffle IMO. It was obvious that Huhne was going to get either Home or Foreign. Some very able people in key briefs like Health, Schools, Environment, and some good promotions for talented younger MPs. Tim will do a very good job at Countryside &#8211; in addition to the hillfarming work mentioned, he is at the forefront of the rural housing issue. </p>
<p>Slightly surprised by Lembit&#8217;s new role &#8211; he would have liked to have got transport, I suspect &#8211; but feel it is probably a good thing to have got some fresh blood into the communities &amp; local govt brief. Andrew&#8217;s experience of local govt was an increasingly long time ago and things had moved on considerably.</p>
<p>Am also pleased to see Ed in a heavyweight job again though I didn&#8217;t expect it would be Foreign!</p>
<p>Others have noted that as one might expect, the Cleggites have done well and the Huhneites on the whole have suffered.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No disrespect to Lynne, but she must be coming up to 60, and she has been appointed your party&#039;s youth spokesman!&lt;/i&gt;

She won&#039;t thank you for that!  It&#039;s her birthday today.  She just turned... well it would be ungentlemanly to say, so you can check out her birth year on Wikipedia, like I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No disrespect to Lynne, but she must be coming up to 60, and she has been appointed your party&#8217;s youth spokesman!</i></p>
<p>She won&#8217;t thank you for that!  It&#8217;s her birthday today.  She just turned&#8230; well it would be ungentlemanly to say, so you can check out her birth year on Wikipedia, like I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had no one noticed that David Laws had been doing the Childrens, shools etc. job for a while it appears so from some of the comments above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had no one noticed that David Laws had been doing the Childrens, shools etc. job for a while it appears so from some of the comments above.</p>
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