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	<title>Comments on: David Cameron&#8217;s brush with the law</title>
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		<title>By: freespeaker</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-56026</link>
		<dc:creator>freespeaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the first comment to this blog from Jon. Whilst it is amusing to hear of DC flouting traffic regulations so nonchalantly - come on Dave (!) - we mustn&#039;t forget the problems of persistent offending and its consequences. LibDems should be campaigning for sensible measures that combat the root and branch causes of crime but also offer security and peace of mind to its victims, and perhaps a three strike system - that gives offenders the opportunity to reform before they are punished by a suitably severe sentence is actually worth debating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the first comment to this blog from Jon. Whilst it is amusing to hear of DC flouting traffic regulations so nonchalantly &#8211; come on Dave (!) &#8211; we mustn&#8217;t forget the problems of persistent offending and its consequences. LibDems should be campaigning for sensible measures that combat the root and branch causes of crime but also offer security and peace of mind to its victims, and perhaps a three strike system &#8211; that gives offenders the opportunity to reform before they are punished by a suitably severe sentence is actually worth debating?</p>
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		<title>By: Bert</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-56025</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police started turning a blind eye to the type of behaviour Mr Cameron exhibits about three to four years ago.

At first it was a trickle, now the numbers of law abiding cyclists seem to be in the minority.

The flouting of traffic laws by cyclists is causing a real danger for pedestrians both at road crossings and on the pavements as well. It&#039;s also frightening as a motorist - who wants to run a light-jumping cyclist over on the way to work? Not me.

The situation is so bad now that cyclists yell at pedestrians on the pavement to &quot;get out of the way&quot;.  Any complaint from the pedestrian is generally met with verbal abuse.

It&#039;s reassuring to know that Mr Cameron is leading by example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police started turning a blind eye to the type of behaviour Mr Cameron exhibits about three to four years ago.</p>
<p>At first it was a trickle, now the numbers of law abiding cyclists seem to be in the minority.</p>
<p>The flouting of traffic laws by cyclists is causing a real danger for pedestrians both at road crossings and on the pavements as well. It&#8217;s also frightening as a motorist &#8211; who wants to run a light-jumping cyclist over on the way to work? Not me.</p>
<p>The situation is so bad now that cyclists yell at pedestrians on the pavement to &#8220;get out of the way&#8221;.  Any complaint from the pedestrian is generally met with verbal abuse.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s reassuring to know that Mr Cameron is leading by example.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43567</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sesenco: The rational behind compulsory wearing of seatbelts and bike helmets is to save lives, but unfortunately (in the case of cycle helmets and arguably seatbelts too) it doesn&#039;t work.

For a start, far fewer people cycle where helmets have been made compulsory.  Since cyclists tend to live longer and be healthier than non-cyclists, reducing the number of cyclists is a tad counter-productive.

Secondly, there&#039;s some evidence that drivers take more risks when cyclists are wearing helmets (e.g. drive closer).

And in the event of a crash happening, there are fairly few accidents where a cycle helmet helps (and may be some where wearing a helmet results in you being more badly injured than if you hadn&#039;t worn one).

But if you do want to cut accidents by making the wearing of protection compulsory, you should start by making elderly pedestrians wear helmets and padding: they&#039;re more at risk than cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sesenco: The rational behind compulsory wearing of seatbelts and bike helmets is to save lives, but unfortunately (in the case of cycle helmets and arguably seatbelts too) it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>For a start, far fewer people cycle where helmets have been made compulsory.  Since cyclists tend to live longer and be healthier than non-cyclists, reducing the number of cyclists is a tad counter-productive.</p>
<p>Secondly, there&#8217;s some evidence that drivers take more risks when cyclists are wearing helmets (e.g. drive closer).</p>
<p>And in the event of a crash happening, there are fairly few accidents where a cycle helmet helps (and may be some where wearing a helmet results in you being more badly injured than if you hadn&#8217;t worn one).</p>
<p>But if you do want to cut accidents by making the wearing of protection compulsory, you should start by making elderly pedestrians wear helmets and padding: they&#8217;re more at risk than cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43565</link>
		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Etonians like Cameron consider that the law applies only to the peasants.

If he doesn&#039;t wear a helmet and gets brain damage, then that is his lookout. The rationale behind the compulsory wearing of helmets and seatbelts is not to protect people from themselves but to keep down the insurance bill, and I am all for it.

Jon @ 1 seems to forget that Cameron was once an &quot;ASBO kid&quot; himself, when he was a member of the Bullingdon Club. Except that it has always been perfectly OK for toffs to get drunk and throw up all over the place. It&#039;s only wrong if working-class kids do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Etonians like Cameron consider that the law applies only to the peasants.</p>
<p>If he doesn&#8217;t wear a helmet and gets brain damage, then that is his lookout. The rationale behind the compulsory wearing of helmets and seatbelts is not to protect people from themselves but to keep down the insurance bill, and I am all for it.</p>
<p>Jon @ 1 seems to forget that Cameron was once an &#8220;ASBO kid&#8221; himself, when he was a member of the Bullingdon Club. Except that it has always been perfectly OK for toffs to get drunk and throw up all over the place. It&#8217;s only wrong if working-class kids do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43555</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eastender; I should think not!  No excuse for dangerous behaviour by cyclists any more than any other road users.  

Sadly the concentration on &quot;you must follow the rules, regardless of how sensible they are in a given situation&quot; at the expense of &quot;be a good citizen, be aware of others around you and how your actions affect them&quot; is one of the less positive trends of modern times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eastender; I should think not!  No excuse for dangerous behaviour by cyclists any more than any other road users.  </p>
<p>Sadly the concentration on &#8220;you must follow the rules, regardless of how sensible they are in a given situation&#8221; at the expense of &#8220;be a good citizen, be aware of others around you and how your actions affect them&#8221; is one of the less positive trends of modern times.</p>
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		<title>By: Eastender</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43510</link>
		<dc:creator>Eastender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iain, stopping two foot ahead of the line is fine by me as long as it isn&#039;t impeding pedestrians. Pulling out into the path of a moving number 38 bus isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain, stopping two foot ahead of the line is fine by me as long as it isn&#8217;t impeding pedestrians. Pulling out into the path of a moving number 38 bus isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43424</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cycling without a helmet is arguably safer than cycling with one, and certainly not against the law.  

Stopping a bike a foot or two in front of the stop line at lights is often good practice to make sure drivers see you (most cycle accidents happen at junctions - positioning yourself to be visible to other road users is important).

I don&#039;t know about the other offences, but the story sounds a bit overblown to me.  How many MPs, if secretly followed by a journalist, wouldn&#039;t commit a single traffic offence?  No speeding or illegal U-turns?

I don&#039;t think that cyclists should break the law, but when I see roads, and even cycle facilities, designed in such a way as to make it difficult to cycle safely and legally, I start to think that there&#039;s a responsibility on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cycling without a helmet is arguably safer than cycling with one, and certainly not against the law.  </p>
<p>Stopping a bike a foot or two in front of the stop line at lights is often good practice to make sure drivers see you (most cycle accidents happen at junctions &#8211; positioning yourself to be visible to other road users is important).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the other offences, but the story sounds a bit overblown to me.  How many MPs, if secretly followed by a journalist, wouldn&#8217;t commit a single traffic offence?  No speeding or illegal U-turns?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that cyclists should break the law, but when I see roads, and even cycle facilities, designed in such a way as to make it difficult to cycle safely and legally, I start to think that there&#8217;s a responsibility on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Eastender</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43420</link>
		<dc:creator>Eastender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was crashed into by a cyclist who&#039;d gone straight through a red light in Prince of Wales Road not very long ago. She then shouted at me! And it bloody hurt.

There seems to be a bit of &quot;my enemy&#039;s enemy is my friend&quot; going on with cyclists. I hate gas guzzling motorists as much as the next man, and support much lower speed limits in urban areas - this does not however mean that cyclists aren&#039;t endangering themselves and other road users on a daily basis by their utter disregard for the law. 

I watch cyclists run the lights in front of moving buses on the junction at the end of my road almost every day. Obviously the threat of imminent death isn&#039;t enough deterrent, so we need to do something else. Throw the book at Cameron and make an example of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was crashed into by a cyclist who&#8217;d gone straight through a red light in Prince of Wales Road not very long ago. She then shouted at me! And it bloody hurt.</p>
<p>There seems to be a bit of &#8220;my enemy&#8217;s enemy is my friend&#8221; going on with cyclists. I hate gas guzzling motorists as much as the next man, and support much lower speed limits in urban areas &#8211; this does not however mean that cyclists aren&#8217;t endangering themselves and other road users on a daily basis by their utter disregard for the law. </p>
<p>I watch cyclists run the lights in front of moving buses on the junction at the end of my road almost every day. Obviously the threat of imminent death isn&#8217;t enough deterrent, so we need to do something else. Throw the book at Cameron and make an example of him.</p>
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		<title>By: asquith</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43416</link>
		<dc:creator>asquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if Jeremy Clarkson saw Cameron, thought &quot;Ah, I&#039;ll run over one of those cyclists who threatens my bollocks Thatcherite principles and insecure little ego&quot; and ran him over, without realising he&#039;d just hit and killed his fellow bigoted toff. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if Jeremy Clarkson saw Cameron, thought &#8220;Ah, I&#8217;ll run over one of those cyclists who threatens my bollocks Thatcherite principles and insecure little ego&#8221; and ran him over, without realising he&#8217;d just hit and killed his fellow bigoted toff. <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pete Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43415</link>
		<dc:creator>pete Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a regular cyclist Camerons actions disgust me. Every time I argue for better provision and safety measures that would make it safer for my children to be on the roads I get the &quot;you lot just ignore the rules you are as bad as anyone else&quot; response thrown back at me.

For someone like him who should be a role model to be filmed doing this is a disgrace. As I understand it failure to stop at a red light is a motoring offence be you on a bike, a car or a 10 tonne Truck.

 Put simply the Tory party leader should be prosecuted as a warning to others to obey road traffic instructions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a regular cyclist Camerons actions disgust me. Every time I argue for better provision and safety measures that would make it safer for my children to be on the roads I get the &#8220;you lot just ignore the rules you are as bad as anyone else&#8221; response thrown back at me.</p>
<p>For someone like him who should be a role model to be filmed doing this is a disgrace. As I understand it failure to stop at a red light is a motoring offence be you on a bike, a car or a 10 tonne Truck.</p>
<p> Put simply the Tory party leader should be prosecuted as a warning to others to obey road traffic instructions</p>
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		<title>By: Julian H</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43413</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...is it an offence not to wear a cycle helmet?&quot;

I believe not and neither should it be. Cycling &#039;offences&#039; like these are barely offences at all. A much larger issue is the dangers cyclists face daily from dangerous driving of cars, vans et cetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;is it an offence not to wear a cycle helmet?&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe not and neither should it be. Cycling &#8216;offences&#8217; like these are barely offences at all. A much larger issue is the dangers cyclists face daily from dangerous driving of cars, vans et cetera.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheltenham Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43411</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheltenham Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof beyond doubt that Cameron is a Thatcherite.

Has listened to Norman Tebbit&#039;s advice about &quot;Getting on his bike&quot; and he is obviously a member of the &quot;No Turning Back&quot; group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof beyond doubt that Cameron is a Thatcherite.</p>
<p>Has listened to Norman Tebbit&#8217;s advice about &#8220;Getting on his bike&#8221; and he is obviously a member of the &#8220;No Turning Back&#8221; group.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Ridley</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43410</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no defender of Cameron but is it an offence not to wear a cycle helmet? If so it&#039;s news to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no defender of Cameron but is it an offence not to wear a cycle helmet? If so it&#8217;s news to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Young</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43398</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon: Yes and cyclists misbehaving by repeatedly flouting traffic signs and lights, and riding the wrong way down one way streets damage doddery old individuals like me and my wife. That David Cameron needs a good clip round the lughole with a walking stick or zimmerframe. He&#039;s a silly arse if I ever saw one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon: Yes and cyclists misbehaving by repeatedly flouting traffic signs and lights, and riding the wrong way down one way streets damage doddery old individuals like me and my wife. That David Cameron needs a good clip round the lughole with a walking stick or zimmerframe. He&#8217;s a silly arse if I ever saw one.</p>
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		<title>By: ColinW</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43395</link>
		<dc:creator>ColinW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahahahahahahahahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahahahahahahahahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-cycling-2391.html#comment-43393</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is very petty. Persistent offenders damage communities and make people&#039;s lives living hell. A lady I went to school with committed suicide because of the torture ASBO kids were putting her through. It&#039;s not something to laugh about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is very petty. Persistent offenders damage communities and make people&#8217;s lives living hell. A lady I went to school with committed suicide because of the torture ASBO kids were putting her through. It&#8217;s not something to laugh about.</p>
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