Comments on: David Cameron is Clegg-lite http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:38:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Betty http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37374 Betty Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:51:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37374 The Mary Rose is a national treasure which could soon be lost. That is the stark warning from the team that helped to raise the political warhorse 25 years ago. Admiral Sir Crufton Thamescruiser, chief executive of the trust, said the old girls fate will soon once again be in the hands of the electorate of Windsor. He said: "If we aren't successful, the outlook would be very gloomy indeed. If there is no voting for her, then at the end of the day there will be no Mary Rose. It is as stark as that. "Eventually the Mary Rose will cease to be an attraction, she would have to be disposed of...sold for firewood, who knows?" Political archaeologist Dr Doomand Gloom helped to raise the artifact and he has devoted most of his working life to the Mary Rose. He said: "If we had to stop showing her to the public, it would negate everything we did 25 years ago. Mary Rose is 437 The Mary Rose is a national treasure which could soon be lost.

That is the stark warning from the team that helped to raise the political warhorse 25 years ago.

Admiral Sir Crufton Thamescruiser, chief executive of the trust, said the old girls fate will soon once again be in the hands of the electorate of Windsor.

He said: “If we aren’t successful, the outlook would be very gloomy indeed.

If there is no voting for her, then at the end of the day there will be no Mary Rose. It is as stark as that.

“Eventually the Mary Rose will cease to be an attraction, she would have to be disposed of…sold for firewood, who knows?”

Political archaeologist Dr Doomand Gloom helped to raise the artifact and he has devoted most of his working life to the Mary Rose.

He said: “If we had to stop showing her to the public, it would negate everything we did 25 years ago.

Mary Rose is 437

]]> By: Sean Hilhorst http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37372 Sean Hilhorst Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:38:58 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37372 I urge Nick Clegg as a new and visionary leader of the third party in Britain to follow in Ming's footsteps and stride onto the international stage with a new agenda that promotes peace not war. The Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, is clearly unable to fulfill this role. Will Nick attend or show his support for our "Disarmament and Globalisation" conference at SOAS on Monday 7th Jan. Read Freedland in the Guardian yesterday, on Gordon's role in 2008. www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2234009,00.html I urge Nick Clegg as a new and visionary leader of the third party in Britain to follow in Ming’s footsteps and stride onto the international stage with a new agenda that promotes peace not war. The Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, is clearly unable to fulfill this role. Will Nick attend or show his support for our “Disarmament and Globalisation” conference at SOAS on Monday 7th Jan. Read Freedland in the Guardian yesterday, on Gordon’s role in 2008. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,2234009,00.html

]]> By: Guido Fawkes http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37310 Guido Fawkes Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:05:25 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37310 Mary Rose has a special gift for political analysis. More please. Mary Rose has a special gift for political analysis. More please.

]]> By: Sal http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37309 Sal Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:03:39 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37309 The Lib Dems are always accused of looking inward. Nothing changes. What a load of self obessessed tosh. Gavin Whenman is at least engaging in the real world. Unless others do, we are in trouble The Lib Dems are always accused of looking inward. Nothing changes. What a load of self obessessed tosh.
Gavin Whenman is at least engaging in the real world. Unless others do, we are in trouble

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37306 Laurence Boyce Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:35:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37306 I'm afraid both Cameron <i>and</i> Clegg are Blair-lite. I’m afraid both Cameron and Clegg are Blair-lite.

]]> By: Peter http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37305 Peter Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:26:03 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37305 "So what should their policy wonks do? Maybe they should look across the parties for a role model for their Dave. Look for someone else who is forty-ish, public school educated, has undoubted charisma and who has the strength to stand up for his principles." Exactly right, but their chosen man was Tony Blair. “So what should their policy wonks do? Maybe they should look across the parties for a role model for their Dave. Look for someone else who is forty-ish, public school educated, has undoubted charisma and who has the strength to stand up for his principles.”

Exactly right, but their chosen man was Tony Blair.

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37304 Hywel Morgan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:59:34 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37304 "Labour seat" is sometimes a bit of a misnomer. Many of the seats we won in 2005 had been target seats from the Tories in 1997. I think all of the 2005 gains were either Tory or Lib Dem held at some point in the recent-ish past. “Labour seat” is sometimes a bit of a misnomer. Many of the seats we won in 2005 had been target seats from the Tories in 1997.

I think all of the 2005 gains were either Tory or Lib Dem held at some point in the recent-ish past.

]]> By: Derek Young http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37300 Derek Young Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:49:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37300 I have to agree with Gavin (and the Whiskey Priest blog his post links to). Why are we concentrating on what the Tories think? There are only 190-odd Tory seats, and there are likely to be more, not fewer, after the next election. Conclusion: trying to win over Tory voters is bizarre in most of the country, though perhaps not in Windsor - in Scotland there's only 1 Tory MP out of 59. By contrast, there are 360-odd Labour MPs, including 40 in Scotland, several of whom were looking over their shoulder at Lib Dem challengers. They are likely to be feeling much more relaxed the more we talk about Cameron, and now that we have a leader who is constantly being compared to him, whether by Lib Dem bloggers or by the general media. I have to agree with Gavin (and the Whiskey Priest blog his post links to). Why are we concentrating on what the Tories think? There are only 190-odd Tory seats, and there are likely to be more, not fewer, after the next election. Conclusion: trying to win over Tory voters is bizarre in most of the country, though perhaps not in Windsor – in Scotland there’s only 1 Tory MP out of 59. By contrast, there are 360-odd Labour MPs, including 40 in Scotland, several of whom were looking over their shoulder at Lib Dem challengers. They are likely to be feeling much more relaxed the more we talk about Cameron, and now that we have a leader who is constantly being compared to him, whether by Lib Dem bloggers or by the general media.

]]> By: Gavin Whenman http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37295 Gavin Whenman Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:02:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37295 Shouldn't we be <a href="http://oberon2001.blogspot.com/2008/01/liberal-democrats-and-conservatives.html" rel="nofollow">more worried about Labour rather than the Conservatives</a>? Shouldn’t we be more worried about Labour rather than the Conservatives?

]]> By: Steve http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37294 Steve Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:55:40 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37294 I also don't see what his upbringing has to do with it: Gladstone, Grimond, Thorpe, Rendell etc all went to Eton. I am sure that Dave would make a very able junior work and pensions spokesman on our benches. I also don’t see what his upbringing has to do with it: Gladstone, Grimond, Thorpe, Rendell etc all went to Eton. I am sure that Dave would make a very able junior work and pensions spokesman on our benches.

]]> By: wit and wisdom http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37292 wit and wisdom Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:27:07 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37292 I find it hard to imagine that the Tories would have looked at the LDs to select a template for their shiny new leader. My view is that 'Dave' is just an ambitious Tory who looked at the recent crop of Tory leaders and decided he couldn't go their way so he had to do something different. Now his new path has turned out to be a dead end for so many of his membership he is gradually moving back to the right. Only the cowartdice of Gordon Brown saved him from serious internal party ructions at the end of 2007. Controversially, I would take the view that, but for the straitjacket of Dave's upbringing and background, his views suggest that he could actually slot rather nicely into our party. Rather than us joining the Tories it seems to me that he should be the one considering his position, on several levels. I find it hard to imagine that the Tories would have looked at the LDs to select a template for their shiny new leader. My view is that ‘Dave’ is just an ambitious Tory who looked at the recent crop of Tory leaders and decided he couldn’t go their way so he had to do something different. Now his new path has turned out to be a dead end for so many of his membership he is gradually moving back to the right. Only the cowartdice of Gordon Brown saved him from serious internal party ructions at the end of 2007.

Controversially, I would take the view that, but for the straitjacket of Dave’s upbringing and background, his views suggest that he could actually slot rather nicely into our party. Rather than us joining the Tories it seems to me that he should be the one considering his position, on several levels.

]]> By: davy http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37291 davy Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:01:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/david-cameron-is-clegglite-1897.html#comment-37291 lib dem councillor in manchester defects to Cameron lite:)) lib dem councillor in manchester defects to Cameron lite:))

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