Comments on: Don’t be an Edward Everett http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:38:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Some campaigning advice doesn’t change | Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-105993 Some campaigning advice doesn’t change | Mark Pack Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:08:17 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-105993 [...] William Woodings, 9th edition (by HF Oldman & J Manus), 1933, echoing a similar theme as my Edward Everett post from last [...] [...] William Woodings, 9th edition (by HF Oldman & J Manus), 1933, echoing a similar theme as my Edward Everett post from last [...]

]]> By: Some campaigning advice doesn’t change http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-105874 Some campaigning advice doesn’t change Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:21:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-105874 [...] William Woodings, 9th edition (by HF Oldman & J Manus), 1933, echoing a similar theme as my Edward Everett post from last [...] [...] William Woodings, 9th edition (by HF Oldman & J Manus), 1933, echoing a similar theme as my Edward Everett post from last [...]

]]> By: James Robertson http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104847 James Robertson Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:17:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104847 Thought provoking stuff, Mark. I'm one who firmly believes our campaigning should have a strong intellectual rigour to it; I don't think a message should be diluted or reduced to easy soundbytes (we can leave that to New Labour) but your essential point is very true. The key question is how to effectively put out a clear, distinctive and concise message. I suppose it would help if, as in the case of Lincoln, it is the commentators who are particularly receptive! Thought provoking stuff, Mark. I’m one who firmly believes our campaigning should have a strong intellectual rigour to it; I don’t think a message should be diluted or reduced to easy soundbytes (we can leave that to New Labour) but your essential point is very true.

The key question is how to effectively put out a clear, distinctive and concise message. I suppose it would help if, as in the case of Lincoln, it is the commentators who are particularly receptive!

]]> By: Clllr Patrick Smith http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104789 Clllr Patrick Smith Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:06:57 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104789 The Gettysburg Address given by President Abraham Lincoln 19/11/1863 contained the final cry `that Government,by the people,for the people,shall not perish on earth'. In Britain it is only the Liberal Democrats who will bring Government ,by the people,for the people, that will not perish on our earth. The Gettysburg Address given by President Abraham Lincoln 19/11/1863 contained the final cry `that Government,by the people,for the people,shall not perish on earth’.

In Britain it is only the Liberal Democrats who will bring Government ,by the people,for the people, that will not perish on our earth.

]]> By: Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104785 Mark Pack Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:20:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104785 John: if you contact ALDC they can supply some good examples of literature to get ideas from. jb / Matthew: it's a balance. My point was to highlight the daftness of those who insist almost as a matter of principle that you've got to write at length to get anything other than a trivial idea or piece of information across. Dumbing down is certainly something to be guarded against, but so too is verbosity that flows from flabby thinking or sloppy writing. David: I don't think so and I've just checked the information, so what's your source for the contrary information? Happy to then cross-check the different sources. John: if you contact ALDC they can supply some good examples of literature to get ideas from.

jb / Matthew: it’s a balance. My point was to highlight the daftness of those who insist almost as a matter of principle that you’ve got to write at length to get anything other than a trivial idea or piece of information across. Dumbing down is certainly something to be guarded against, but so too is verbosity that flows from flabby thinking or sloppy writing.

David: I don’t think so and I’ve just checked the information, so what’s your source for the contrary information? Happy to then cross-check the different sources.

]]> By: Jim Cooke http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104773 Jim Cooke Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:59:17 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104773 Today, Edward Everett is getting a little more deserved attention. He was, indeed, a remarkable individual and does not deserve to be forgotten.. There's a new book available -- "The Eloquence of Edward Everett -- America's Greatest Orator" (2009) by Richard A. Katula. Check it out! Today, Edward Everett is getting a little more deserved attention. He was, indeed, a remarkable individual and does not deserve to be forgotten.. There’s a new book available — “The Eloquence of Edward Everett — America’s Greatest Orator” (2009) by Richard A. Katula. Check it out!

]]> By: David Poole http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104772 David Poole Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:48:25 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104772 Dear Mark, Are you sure the address before Lincoln's wasn't given by Henry Ward Beecher ? Another historical quirk is that Lincoln's ultra short address was belittled at the time, the newspapers were scathing eg "the silly, dishwashy utterance by the man called president" ! By the way, a while ago you referred to F.Craig's collection of election results - I possess the volumes. You mentioned your Ph.d was related to them - what was it on? I'm a retired academic mathematician (applied) since interested in psephology so please don't mistake me for a statistician! Best wishes, David Poole Dear Mark,
Are you sure the address before Lincoln’s wasn’t given by Henry Ward Beecher ? Another historical quirk is that Lincoln’s ultra short address was belittled at the time, the newspapers were scathing eg “the silly, dishwashy utterance by the man called president” !
By the way, a while ago you referred to F.Craig’s collection of election results – I possess the volumes. You mentioned your Ph.d was related to them – what was it on? I’m a retired academic mathematician (applied) since interested in psephology so please don’t mistake me for a statistician!
Best wishes, David Poole

]]> By: Matthew Huntbach http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104754 Matthew Huntbach Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:35:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104754 You can sometimes do it by putting the message you want everyone to get in the headlines, while using words which you know most of those who get it won't read, but a few will appreciate. In general, our party's success in developing new styles of effective letterbox literature has been very positive, but I agree it can sometimes slip into just simplistic soundbites and pictures. I think we should be looking at ways of moving on from that with the long-term aim of generating a more committed core support who appreciate us as a serious party with serious aims and objectives. You can sometimes do it by putting the message you want everyone to get in the headlines, while using words which you know most of those who get it won’t read, but a few will appreciate.

In general, our party’s success in developing new styles of effective letterbox literature has been very positive, but I agree it can sometimes slip into just simplistic soundbites and pictures. I think we should be looking at ways of moving on from that with the long-term aim of generating a more committed core support who appreciate us as a serious party with serious aims and objectives.

]]> By: jb http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104752 jb Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:04:05 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104752 Yep. That's what we need: more sound bites. None of this long, boring political stuff. Large colourful fonts, a few pictures, and not too many words; that's the way to go. Yep. That’s what we need: more sound bites. None of this long, boring political stuff. Large colourful fonts, a few pictures, and not too many words; that’s the way to go.

]]> By: John Booth http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104751 John Booth Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:01:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104751 It would be good if you could post some examples of good leaflets, Mark. It would be good if you could post some examples of good leaflets, Mark.

]]> By: Paul Elgood http://www.libdemvoice.org/dont-be-an-edward-everett-17261.html#comment-104750 Paul Elgood Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:56:31 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17261#comment-104750 Somewhat surprisingly Lincoln was never meant to be the main speaker of the day - which may explain the differences in length. I'd recommend Garry Will's book Lincoln at Gettysburg to you mark. Somewhat surprisingly Lincoln was never meant to be the main speaker of the day – which may explain the differences in length. I’d recommend Garry Will’s book Lincoln at Gettysburg to you mark.

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