Comments on: EXCLUSIVE: Have Conservative Party staff been lying to the BBC? http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:46:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tony hill http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27570 tony hill Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:59:50 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27570 I don't think that this is a trivial point. Both commercial and voluntary organisations spend vast amounts of money on employing professionals to design logos that define their brand: I seem to recall a certain amount of discussion of the cost of the Tory logo when it was. If they are now changing it, wholly or in part, it must be as a consequence of what they are being told by their marketing strategists. They have had nearly as many logo re-designs as leaders in recent years, and there is some connection there. As someone who works, to a degree, in the design industry I thought that the blue and green image they used in this year's local elections worked very well, but maybe that was because I am a liberal and the sort of person it was designed to appeal to. If they are ditching it then maybe they are reverting to trying to shore up their traditional support, which seems to have been pretty disgusted with the Cameron Project recently. I don’t think that this is a trivial point. Both commercial and voluntary organisations spend vast amounts of money on employing professionals to design logos that define their brand: I seem to recall a certain amount of discussion of the cost of the Tory logo when it was. If they are now changing it, wholly or in part, it must be as a consequence of what they are being told by their marketing strategists. They have had nearly as many logo re-designs as leaders in recent years, and there is some connection there. As someone who works, to a degree, in the design industry I thought that the blue and green image they used in this year’s local elections worked very well, but maybe that was because I am a liberal and the sort of person it was designed to appeal to. If they are ditching it then maybe they are reverting to trying to shore up their traditional support, which seems to have been pretty disgusted with the Cameron Project recently.

]]> By: Daniel Bowen http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27566 Daniel Bowen Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:29:08 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27566 It's a fair point to most normal inhabitants of this planet (though obviously not Iain Dale). But why is this less of an issue than the digraceful news that Labour is to brand the Heathrow airport protestors as terrorists? It’s a fair point to most normal inhabitants of this planet (though obviously not Iain Dale).

But why is this less of an issue than the digraceful news that Labour is to brand the Heathrow airport protestors as terrorists?

]]> By: Terry Brown http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27553 Terry Brown Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:59:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27553 Hi Tristan, > You said: 'Now, the true story on party logos is Labour’s offensive use of the red rose - symbol of Lancashire and sometimes of England. As an Englishman with lancastrian heritage I object strongly to this usage.' > I agree entirely with your sentiments, except that I'm from Nottinghamshire:) > Surely the rose you mention is the red & white Tudor rose, the emblem signifying the unification of the Houses of Lancashire and Yorkshire! > Perhaps, as a true Lancashire man you cannot bring yourself to mention Yorkshire:) > Best wishes, Terry Hi Tristan,
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You said:
‘Now, the true story on party logos is Labour’s offensive use of the red rose – symbol of Lancashire and sometimes of England. As an Englishman with lancastrian heritage I object strongly to this usage.’
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I agree entirely with your sentiments, except that I’m from Nottinghamshire:)
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Surely the rose you mention is the red & white Tudor rose, the emblem signifying the unification of the Houses of Lancashire and Yorkshire!
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Perhaps, as a true Lancashire man you cannot bring yourself to mention Yorkshire:)
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Best wishes,
Terry

]]> By: Iain Dale http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27543 Iain Dale Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:57:06 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27543 Really, really pathetic. Talk about the silly season... Really, really pathetic. Talk about the silly season…

]]> By: Stuart http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27516 Stuart Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:50:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27516 I enjoy attacks on the Tories as much as anyone, but this is at worst... Tory high command (or maybe just some poor chap who was in charge of this event) slightly tweaks own rules on logo presentation I enjoy attacks on the Tories as much as anyone, but this is at worst… Tory high command (or maybe just some poor chap who was in charge of this event) slightly tweaks own rules on logo presentation

]]> By: Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27495 Mark Pack Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:40:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27495 To pick up on a couple of the points: the guide is clearly written as guidance for all parts of the Conservative Party in use of the logo (not just those bits outside CCHQ), and the different versions they used at the launch are all ones in the guide. The most recent one isn't. To pick up on a couple of the points: the guide is clearly written as guidance for all parts of the Conservative Party in use of the logo (not just those bits outside CCHQ), and the different versions they used at the launch are all ones in the guide. The most recent one isn’t.

]]> By: Tristan Mills http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27494 Tristan Mills Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:49 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27494 I recall that when they first launched it they did have several different colours. Something of a non-story really... Now, the true story on party logos is Labour's offensive use of the red rose - symbol of Lancashire and sometimes of England. As an Englishman with lancastrian heritage I object strongly to this usage. I recall that when they first launched it they did have several different colours.
Something of a non-story really…

Now, the true story on party logos is Labour’s offensive use of the red rose – symbol of Lancashire and sometimes of England. As an Englishman with lancastrian heritage I object strongly to this usage.

]]> By: Tim Leunig http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27442 Tim Leunig Fri, 10 Aug 2007 00:06:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27442 I think that this is a fuss over nothing. When we unveiled our newer fatter Charles Kennedy Bird, I was a local party chair and as such was sent a pack on how to use it, including a list of "do nots". And yes, the letter that came with had the logo in one of the "do not" styles! What matters is not what colour the Tory logo is, or which way DC parts his hair. What matters is what they say, and what their instincts are. There is no evidence that the public think much of either, which brings me to the final point: what matters is how well they do in elections (not very at national level recently!) I think that this is a fuss over nothing. When we unveiled our newer fatter Charles Kennedy Bird, I was a local party chair and as such was sent a pack on how to use it, including a list of “do nots”. And yes, the letter that came with had the logo in one of the “do not” styles!

What matters is not what colour the Tory logo is, or which way DC parts his hair. What matters is what they say, and what their instincts are. There is no evidence that the public think much of either, which brings me to the final point: what matters is how well they do in elections (not very at national level recently!)

]]> By: anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27427 anonymous Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:49:18 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27427 Angus Huck, it could be <a href="http://www.tropengarten.de/Bilder/B-AcaCya.jpg" rel="nofollow">Acacia Cyanophylla</a>. Though it doesn't have perfectly blue leaves, but bluish anyway. Angus Huck, it could be Acacia Cyanophylla. Though it doesn’t have perfectly blue leaves, but bluish anyway.

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27426 Hywel Morgan Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:42:37 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27426 Mind you Mark - we all take such notice of our own party's style guide for using the logo :-) Mind you Mark – we all take such notice of our own party’s style guide for using the logo :-)

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27424 Hywel Morgan Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:39:57 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27424 More than that Angus, if I remember my biology a blue tree couldn't photosynthesise and would probably die very rapidly. I think that point stands without further comment :-) More than that Angus, if I remember my biology a blue tree couldn’t photosynthesise and would probably die very rapidly.

I think that point stands without further comment :-)

]]> By: fair deal phil http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27423 fair deal phil Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:28:12 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27423 good post Mark. also spotted the tory porky showing their true colours, but found it more amusing to post on Chameleon Dave reverting to true blue after pretending to be green, red and even yellow in the past year... good post Mark.

also spotted the tory porky showing their true colours, but found it more amusing to post on Chameleon Dave reverting to true blue after pretending to be green, red and even yellow in the past year…

]]> By: Angus Huck http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27422 Angus Huck Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:15:58 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27422 A key fact about trees: they are almost always green. A few have a reddish tinge (such as the copper beech), but I have yet to meet a blue one. Tories telling lies is nothing new, of course. Nor is their use of Nixonite dirty tricks. But the frequency with which they do tell lies, and the egregiousness of the lies themselves, do seem to be growing into a serious problem (for the truth, that is, and for the health of British politics). I wear a badge of honour: A Tory troll on this site has even told lies about ME! A key fact about trees: they are almost always green. A few have a reddish tinge (such as the copper beech), but I have yet to meet a blue one.

Tories telling lies is nothing new, of course. Nor is their use of Nixonite dirty tricks. But the frequency with which they do tell lies, and the egregiousness of the lies themselves, do seem to be growing into a serious problem (for the truth, that is, and for the health of British politics).

I wear a badge of honour: A Tory troll on this site has even told lies about ME!

]]> By: Stuart http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27414 Stuart Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:44:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27414 I guess the guide is to stop Bloggshire Tories mucking around with it too much. I guess that CCHQ can play around with it. They are the bosses after all. I guess the guide is to stop Bloggshire Tories mucking around with it too much. I guess that CCHQ can play around with it. They are the bosses after all.

]]> By: Lib Dem member http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27402 Lib Dem member Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:02:46 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27402 Your belief that you know what everyone else in the world thinks is very impressive Mr Letterman. Your belief that you know what everyone else in the world thinks is very impressive Mr Letterman.

]]> By: Letterman http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27397 Letterman Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:46:58 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/exclusive-have-conservative-party-staff-been-lying-to-the-bbc-1160.html#comment-27397 No one cares. No one cares.

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