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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-18163</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lies... there&#039;s no such thing as a &quot;good Prater Raines package&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lies&#8230; there&#8217;s no such thing as a &#8220;good Prater Raines package&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Violet</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-13263</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Violet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 10:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Caroline Pidgeon&#039;s site now has a video up &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.caroline4london.org.uk/video&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Caroline Pidgeon&#8217;s site now has a video up <a href="http://www.caroline4london.org.uk/video" rel="nofollow"> here </a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fenwick</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12744</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fenwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I shall ignore neither!

Duncan dropped a point because at the time of the review (I haven&#039;t looked since), video was being exclusively used on some sub-pages to communicate core parts of his &#039;message&#039; as a candidate, so the video wasn&#039;t just an optional bolt-on / added extra. I agree though, it was good to see some good use of video.

R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I shall ignore neither!</p>
<p>Duncan dropped a point because at the time of the review (I haven&#8217;t looked since), video was being exclusively used on some sub-pages to communicate core parts of his &#8216;message&#8217; as a candidate, so the video wasn&#8217;t just an optional bolt-on / added extra. I agree though, it was good to see some good use of video.</p>
<p>R</p>
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		<title>By: Amazinggrace</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12674</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazinggrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 23:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, ignore my husband - I would like to understand.  For goodness&#039; sake what happened to Emmeline pankhurst?  When you get back from Scotland we are having words Borrowman.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, ignore my husband &#8211; I would like to understand.  For goodness&#8217; sake what happened to Emmeline pankhurst?  When you get back from Scotland we are having words Borrowman&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Borrowman</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12538</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Borrowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 11:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignore my wife...

Rob&#039;s point on subtitling is very validly made - I will ensure if I do this again that I add them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore my wife&#8230;</p>
<p>Rob&#8217;s point on subtitling is very validly made &#8211; I will ensure if I do this again that I add them.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazinggrace</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12518</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazinggrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the disability rant... Why does Duncan get a 7/10 when other PR sites get an 8?  It seems that you are taking off points for not subtitling video when by adding video he is helping the visually impaired by allowing an audio commentary?

Oh, and I declare an interest as his wife....

I hate insomnia

Grace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the disability rant&#8230; Why does Duncan get a 7/10 when other PR sites get an 8?  It seems that you are taking off points for not subtitling video when by adding video he is helping the visually impaired by allowing an audio commentary?</p>
<p>Oh, and I declare an interest as his wife&#8230;.</p>
<p>I hate insomnia</p>
<p>Grace</p>
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		<title>By: Meral Ece,</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12473</link>
		<dc:creator>Meral Ece,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I think its very helpful to put all the candidates details on your local party&#039;s website. Wish more would do the same. Last time the turnout was only about 30%. Many members still don&#039;t quite understand what the selection is about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I think its very helpful to put all the candidates details on your local party&#8217;s website. Wish more would do the same. Last time the turnout was only about 30%. Many members still don&#8217;t quite understand what the selection is about!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Squire</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12444</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Squire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have added a page listing all 22 List candidates [with contact details for all but 3] to the Richmond-upon-Thames Lib Dem site: http://twickenhamlibdems.co.uk/pages/SWGLA.html
If anyone can provide contact details for: Ben Abbots, Johanna Christie-Smith and Leslie Coman, please contact me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have added a page listing all 22 List candidates [with contact details for all but 3] to the Richmond-upon-Thames Lib Dem site: <a href="http://twickenhamlibdems.co.uk/pages/SWGLA.html" rel="nofollow">http://twickenhamlibdems.co.uk/pages/SWGLA.html</a><br />
If anyone can provide contact details for: Ben Abbots, Johanna Christie-Smith and Leslie Coman, please contact me.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Borrowman</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12069</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Borrowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look if Simon Hughes can open a speech with &quot;I just want to make three points&quot;, and when you are on point 25...

But well spotted Al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look if Simon Hughes can open a speech with &#8220;I just want to make three points&#8221;, and when you are on point 25&#8230;</p>
<p>But well spotted Al.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12062</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Duncan.  By the way, there&#039;s a fairly elementary arithmetical error on the homepage of your site.  Have you spotted it yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Duncan.  By the way, there&#8217;s a fairly elementary arithmetical error on the homepage of your site.  Have you spotted it yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Bororwman</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-12005</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Bororwman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there are other good reasons to use a Prater Raines site if you think you have any chance of being in a highish position on the list. During the proper public election it is quite likely that you will want stories on your website that are also on the London Region website - http://libdems4london.org.uk/ - which is a Prater Raines site. Easier for one person to put stories in both places if they are using the same setup. The if you get elected you may want the same stories as on the GLA group site http://glalibdems.org.uk/ again a Prater Raines site with same issues on ease of one person updating both as above.
I also administer some other Prater Raines sites, so it saves learning new tricks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there are other good reasons to use a Prater Raines site if you think you have any chance of being in a highish position on the list. During the proper public election it is quite likely that you will want stories on your website that are also on the London Region website &#8211; <a href="http://libdems4london.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://libdems4london.org.uk/</a> &#8211; which is a Prater Raines site. Easier for one person to put stories in both places if they are using the same setup. The if you get elected you may want the same stories as on the GLA group site <a href="http://glalibdems.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://glalibdems.org.uk/</a> again a Prater Raines site with same issues on ease of one person updating both as above.<br />
I also administer some other Prater Raines sites, so it saves learning new tricks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11894</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Andy, the mailing for the Londonwide list selection goes out to all members the end of next week I believe.

The SW London seat was the first to hold it&#039;s selection.  The rest of the seats should start the selection procedures after May 3rd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Andy, the mailing for the Londonwide list selection goes out to all members the end of next week I believe.</p>
<p>The SW London seat was the first to hold it&#8217;s selection.  The rest of the seats should start the selection procedures after May 3rd.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11887</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think PR sites are ok for the external world and elections, where Hywel&#039;s point is relevant (though the style of the new federal party site is much, much nicer than any of the standard PR sites these candidates have used).

But in a Selection contest it&#039;s all Lib Dems voting - and a good number will be looking at different candidates&#039; sites.  In that context, I&#039;d have thought it pays to have something that stands out rather than looking like every other Lib Dem website you&#039;ve ever seen - and most other GLA candidates&#039; sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think PR sites are ok for the external world and elections, where Hywel&#8217;s point is relevant (though the style of the new federal party site is much, much nicer than any of the standard PR sites these candidates have used).</p>
<p>But in a Selection contest it&#8217;s all Lib Dems voting &#8211; and a good number will be looking at different candidates&#8217; sites.  In that context, I&#8217;d have thought it pays to have something that stands out rather than looking like every other Lib Dem website you&#8217;ve ever seen &#8211; and most other GLA candidates&#8217; sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11864</link>
		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Well… it reminds me of the start of 1st year, when they showed us a bunch of sites and said ‘Never do this’”

Extraordinary way to start a design  course!

Whilst Prater-Raines sites do look a bit samey how many people outside the party regularly look at a number of Lib Dem websites.

What they do give you is a simple system whereby web updating can be put in the hands of a number of basically computer literate people.  That way you avoid the &quot;great website that stops being updated when the web person moves/gets a new job/goes to University etc&quot; scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Well… it reminds me of the start of 1st year, when they showed us a bunch of sites and said ‘Never do this’”</p>
<p>Extraordinary way to start a design  course!</p>
<p>Whilst Prater-Raines sites do look a bit samey how many people outside the party regularly look at a number of Lib Dem websites.</p>
<p>What they do give you is a simple system whereby web updating can be put in the hands of a number of basically computer literate people.  That way you avoid the &#8220;great website that stops being updated when the web person moves/gets a new job/goes to University etc&#8221; scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11854</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another vote for accessibility from me (WINNING HERE!). For those who think it&#039;s unimportant, look at it this way: 

Websites are important campaigning tools. Non-accessible ones fail to maximise their potential for gathering support and votes. Therefore people who build non-accessible sites are proving they are less effective campaigners than rivals who build accessible ones. It&#039;s like comparing a candidate whose press release are spelled wrong and whose leaflets smear in the rain with one who gets it right.

On a separate note, I haven&#039;t received a jot or whistle to do with this selection but have had the London SW constituency mailing, which includes Knight, Butt, Ambache and Norsheen Bhatti. Ambache lost my vote by failing to reply to a question sent using his online contact form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another vote for accessibility from me (WINNING HERE!). For those who think it&#8217;s unimportant, look at it this way: </p>
<p>Websites are important campaigning tools. Non-accessible ones fail to maximise their potential for gathering support and votes. Therefore people who build non-accessible sites are proving they are less effective campaigners than rivals who build accessible ones. It&#8217;s like comparing a candidate whose press release are spelled wrong and whose leaflets smear in the rain with one who gets it right.</p>
<p>On a separate note, I haven&#8217;t received a jot or whistle to do with this selection but have had the London SW constituency mailing, which includes Knight, Butt, Ambache and Norsheen Bhatti. Ambache lost my vote by failing to reply to a question sent using his online contact form.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fenwick</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11853</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Fenwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the nicest thing you can say about the Praiter Raines sites is they&#039;ve helped win us many Lib Dem voters, and they&#039;ve fed a boom in genuinely local sites by local politicians, which can be a very effective vote winning tool.  That&#039;s quite a nice thing to be able to say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the nicest thing you can say about the Praiter Raines sites is they&#8217;ve helped win us many Lib Dem voters, and they&#8217;ve fed a boom in genuinely local sites by local politicians, which can be a very effective vote winning tool.  That&#8217;s quite a nice thing to be able to say!</p>
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		<title>By: John S</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11843</link>
		<dc:creator>John S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always felt that the nicest thing you can say about the Praiter Raines cans is that they&#039;re cheap and cheerful ronseal-like do what they say on the tin: function as a website.  

I don&#039;t have anything against them per se, I just find them rather dull, samey, and unimaginative - for a second opinion, I went to a friend of mine who studied web design and does it for a living, whose answer was &quot;Well... it reminds me of the start of 1st year, when they showed us a bunch of sites and said &#039;Never do this&#039;&quot;.

I have to say, I was very impressed by Pidgeon&#039;s on message different text with photos for every borough, looks like a lot of effort, which impresses me a *lot* more than a PR clone - shame about the white links at the top, I had actually closed the site without even seeing they were there before I read here that the eye &#039;wasn&#039;t naturally drawn to them&#039;.

Don&#039;t like that Nasser Butt&#039;s already impersonal contact form reminds us &quot;this is provided for a convenience, please do not abuse it&quot;.  Just seems rather cold-shoulderesque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always felt that the nicest thing you can say about the Praiter Raines cans is that they&#8217;re cheap and cheerful ronseal-like do what they say on the tin: function as a website.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have anything against them per se, I just find them rather dull, samey, and unimaginative &#8211; for a second opinion, I went to a friend of mine who studied web design and does it for a living, whose answer was &#8220;Well&#8230; it reminds me of the start of 1st year, when they showed us a bunch of sites and said &#8216;Never do this&#8217;&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have to say, I was very impressed by Pidgeon&#8217;s on message different text with photos for every borough, looks like a lot of effort, which impresses me a *lot* more than a PR clone &#8211; shame about the white links at the top, I had actually closed the site without even seeing they were there before I read here that the eye &#8216;wasn&#8217;t naturally drawn to them&#8217;.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t like that Nasser Butt&#8217;s already impersonal contact form reminds us &#8220;this is provided for a convenience, please do not abuse it&#8221;.  Just seems rather cold-shoulderesque.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/gla-candidates-websites-reviewed-and-rated-697.html#comment-11831</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al, I&#039;m not sure how you can tautologically claim there is a gaping gap between what the punter likes and technological analysis when your favourite 2 sites come joint 1st and 4th respectively.  Indeed, I&#039;m quite surprised how close they correspond!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, I&#8217;m not sure how you can tautologically claim there is a gaping gap between what the punter likes and technological analysis when your favourite 2 sites come joint 1st and 4th respectively.  Indeed, I&#8217;m quite surprised how close they correspond!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the above discussion goes to show - if you don&#039;t mind me saying so - that there&#039;s a gaping gap between the experts who understand all the technical backdrop to these website and what the ordinary punters (&amp; party members) like me actually see.

For me, it was a case of seeing a load of sites that looked pretty much the same and then a couple (Masroor, Pidgeon) that actually had a different feel to them &amp; hence attracted more of my attention.

Not sure how much any of it will do to sway my vote - at the end of the day I&#039;ll vote for the person who strikes me as the mostly likely to be an active campaigner.

5 new Lynne Featherstones (spread geographically across London) would go down very well indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the above discussion goes to show &#8211; if you don&#8217;t mind me saying so &#8211; that there&#8217;s a gaping gap between the experts who understand all the technical backdrop to these website and what the ordinary punters (&amp; party members) like me actually see.</p>
<p>For me, it was a case of seeing a load of sites that looked pretty much the same and then a couple (Masroor, Pidgeon) that actually had a different feel to them &amp; hence attracted more of my attention.</p>
<p>Not sure how much any of it will do to sway my vote &#8211; at the end of the day I&#8217;ll vote for the person who strikes me as the mostly likely to be an active campaigner.</p>
<p>5 new Lynne Featherstones (spread geographically across London) would go down very well indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Fenwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Fenwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, good question.  Duncan&#039;s using the slightly nicer navigation (with the fade effect on selected links), the spacing at the top looks like it&#039;s &quot;meant&quot; to (no gap between bottom of logo and yellow bar), and Duncan&#039;s home page looks busier and better &#039;balanced&#039;.  Hope that answers the Q,

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, good question.  Duncan&#8217;s using the slightly nicer navigation (with the fade effect on selected links), the spacing at the top looks like it&#8217;s &#8220;meant&#8221; to (no gap between bottom of logo and yellow bar), and Duncan&#8217;s home page looks busier and better &#8216;balanced&#8217;.  Hope that answers the Q,</p>
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