Comments on: Gosport Lib Dem leader banned from council for two years http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:55:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Martin Kyrle http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94498 Martin Kyrle Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:55:33 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94498 Peter may be well out of it for a while, but there is a principle at stake here: who decides on who's aceptable as an elected representative, the electors or the body to which their representat-ive is elected? I'm thinking of John Wilkes who, if my memory serves me correctly (it's many years since I had to know the details in order to teach them), was refused admission to the House of Commons in the 18th century because he refused to take the oath, stood again at the by-election and was re-elected. If Peter stood in the by-election and was re-elected, what then? In addition, in view of Peter's services to the party since he was Stephen Ross's election agent don't we owe him our support - including financial - to challenge not only the right of this body to disbar him but also the severity of the penalty for what was only a technicality? He didn't stgand to benefit financially, and it looks anomalous that he gets depriv ed of his living when his MP can sit it out despite having put in inappropriate claims for expenses (the infamous duck house)despite his constituents calling for his resignation? Peter may be well out of it for a while, but there is a principle at stake here: who decides on who’s aceptable as an elected representative, the electors or the body to which their representat-ive is elected?
I’m thinking of John Wilkes who, if my memory serves me correctly (it’s many years since I had to know the details in order to teach them), was refused admission to the House of Commons in the 18th century because he refused to take the oath, stood again at the by-election and was re-elected. If Peter stood in the by-election and was re-elected, what then?
In addition, in view of Peter’s services to the party since he was Stephen Ross’s election agent don’t we owe him our support – including financial – to challenge not only the right of this body to disbar him but also the severity of the penalty for what was only a technicality? He didn’t stgand to benefit financially, and it looks anomalous that he gets depriv ed of his living when his MP can sit it out despite having put in inappropriate claims for expenses (the infamous duck house)despite his constituents calling for his resignation?

]]> By: Adrian Sanders MP http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94477 Adrian Sanders MP Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:26:55 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94477 MPs already have an internal standards board - the Standards & Privileges Committee. I personally think we need an external independent body to investigate future allegations, and perhaps to revisit past decisions just to make absolutely sure they were not politically motivated. MPs already have an internal standards board – the Standards & Privileges Committee. I personally think we need an external independent body to investigate future allegations, and perhaps to revisit past decisions just to make absolutely sure they were not politically motivated.

]]> By: simon mcgrath http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94461 simon mcgrath Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:07:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94461 The SBE is a disgrace. And parliament seems to be voting for something similar for MPs. Mad The SBE is a disgrace. And parliament seems to be voting for something similar for MPs. Mad

]]> By: Herbert Brown http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94450 Herbert Brown Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:42:20 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94450 "... barred by a kangaroo court ..." "... where the councillors moved to Australia ..." Spooky. “… barred by a kangaroo court …”

“… where the councillors moved to Australia …”

Spooky.

]]> By: Eddie Goncalves http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94446 Eddie Goncalves Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:34:27 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94446 My wife was one of our 2 successful candidates in yesterday's Gosport by-election yesterday, and I can tell you it was clear on the doorstep that voters' revulsion at the heavy-handed treatment meted out to Peter was one of the factors behind our vote going up! Peter was recently re-elected to the County Council with a greatly increased majority. This in spite of the fact that the Tories put up the borough council leader against him - the very man who brought the complaint to the Standards Board in the first place - and that their (very negative) campaign centred wholly around the allegations. The voters clearly expressed their view on the matter. At the same time, Gosport's Tory MP - Peter "Duck House" Viggers - is refusing to stand down until the next election and is in line to receive £1million+ in pension and payouts. Polls show a huge majority of Gosport voters want him to resign immediately. Our eve of poll leaflet invited voters to compare and contrast - it certainly seems to have motivated our supporters judging by the turnout. A big thank you to everyone who helped, in particular those who came from outside to help canvass and get out the vote on the day. (And congratulations to Peter himself, who coordinated this excellent by-election campaign - a deserved victory for him as well as for the party..and one that put a BIG smile on his face after a difficult week). Eddie G (aka husband of newly-elected Councillor Siobhan Mitchell-Smith) My wife was one of our 2 successful candidates in yesterday’s Gosport by-election yesterday, and I can tell you it was clear on the doorstep that voters’ revulsion at the heavy-handed treatment meted out to Peter was one of the factors behind our vote going up!

Peter was recently re-elected to the County Council with a greatly increased majority. This in spite of the fact that the Tories put up the borough council leader against him – the very man who brought the complaint to the Standards Board in the first place – and that their (very negative) campaign centred wholly around the allegations. The voters clearly expressed their view on the matter.

At the same time, Gosport’s Tory MP – Peter “Duck House” Viggers – is refusing to stand down until the next election and is in line to receive £1million+ in pension and payouts. Polls show a huge majority of Gosport voters want him to resign immediately. Our eve of poll leaflet invited voters to compare and contrast – it certainly seems to have motivated our supporters judging by the turnout.

A big thank you to everyone who helped, in particular those who came from outside to help canvass and get out the vote on the day. (And congratulations to Peter himself, who coordinated this excellent by-election campaign – a deserved victory for him as well as for the party..and one that put a BIG smile on his face after a difficult week).

Eddie G (aka husband of newly-elected Councillor Siobhan Mitchell-Smith)

]]> By: David Blake http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94412 David Blake Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:50:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94412 Interesting to see that we've held on comfortably to two other Gosport seats where the councillors moved to Australia: http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Lib-Dems-hold-on-to.5447629.jp Interesting to see that we’ve held on comfortably to two other Gosport seats where the councillors moved to Australia:

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Lib-Dems-hold-on-to.5447629.jp

]]> By: Robert Bleakley http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94394 Robert Bleakley Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:33:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94394 I agree with other people's comments. It's sad to learn that Peter Chegwyn, of the party's best campaigners, has been barred by a kangaroo court made up of unelected no bodies. I agree with other people’s comments.

It’s sad to learn that Peter Chegwyn, of the party’s best campaigners, has been barred by a kangaroo court made up of unelected no bodies.

]]> By: David http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94377 David Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:14:46 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94377 Very sorry for Peter, I don’t think we as a party should accept this and challenge the SBE in the courts. Lets start a fighting fund. Very sorry for Peter, I don’t think we as a party should accept this and challenge the SBE in the courts. Lets start a fighting fund.

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94374 Hywel Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:35:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94374 This seems like a very harsh sanction for what seemed to be quite a technical breach - or is there some detail I'm not aware of. Tony - We certainly passed policy calling for the abolition of the SBE and the associated bodies a few years back. (It was IIRC proposed by ALDC and based on something I originally wrote) This seems like a very harsh sanction for what seemed to be quite a technical breach – or is there some detail I’m not aware of.

Tony – We certainly passed policy calling for the abolition of the SBE and the associated bodies a few years back. (It was IIRC proposed by ALDC and based on something I originally wrote)

]]> By: tonygreaves http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94372 tonygreaves Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:17:29 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94372 The SBE and its adjudication kangaroo court are an unelected undemocratic disgrace. The irony is that Camerons says he will abolish it all but it's Tories who have used these panjandrums for obviously party political motives. Why do we not pledge to clear it all away? Tony Greaves The SBE and its adjudication kangaroo court are an unelected undemocratic disgrace. The irony is that Camerons says he will abolish it all but it’s Tories who have used these panjandrums for obviously party political motives.

Why do we not pledge to clear it all away?

Tony Greaves

]]> By: ColinW http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94368 ColinW Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:26:36 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94368 A ridiculous decision which I hope the party will be challenging. A ridiculous decision which I hope the party will be challenging.

]]> By: Mark Senior http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94361 Mark Senior Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:03:32 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94361 Andrew , It is a rather complex case . He was accused of not declaring an interest in and taking part in a vote on the council relating to the music festival which he runs . The vote concerned though was not directly concerning the music festival but a vote on a motion to lift standing orders in order that the council could discuss the music festival ( not actually stated but impled ). Chegwyn's argument was that if it came to the actual discussion on the music festival he would have declared an interest and withdrawn from the discussion . It should also be noted that the complaint was laid by the leader of the Conservatives on the Council Peter Hook who stood against Chegwyn in the CC elections and lost . The Conservatives have lost to Chegwyn at every election for the last 26 years and clearly decided that if they could not defeat him at the ballot box , they would ignore the clear democratic wishes of his electors and get him out by other means . Andrew , It is a rather complex case . He was accused of not declaring an interest in and taking part in a vote on the council relating to the music festival which he runs . The vote concerned though was not directly concerning the music festival but a vote on a motion to lift standing orders in order that the council could discuss the music festival ( not actually stated but impled ). Chegwyn’s argument was that if it came to the actual discussion on the music festival he would have declared an interest and withdrawn from the discussion .
It should also be noted that the complaint was laid by the leader of the Conservatives on the Council Peter Hook who stood against Chegwyn in the CC elections and lost . The Conservatives have lost to Chegwyn at every election for the last 26 years and clearly decided that if they could not defeat him at the ballot box , they would ignore the clear democratic wishes of his electors and get him out by other means .

]]> By: Andrew Suffield http://www.libdemvoice.org/gosport-lib-dem-leader-banned-from-council-for-two-years-15590.html#comment-94360 Andrew Suffield Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:46:41 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15590#comment-94360 He did what exactly? He did what exactly?

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