Comments on: How the MPs are lining up (UPDATED) http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:46:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe Taylor http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-34129 Joe Taylor Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:26:31 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-34129 Greg @ 24 - that website looks like the work of a well-known cyber-squatter who's registered the names of quite a number of Lib Dem MPs. And yes, we could do with an update for this list - Simon Hughes, Jo Swinson, Alan Beith, Dan Rogerson and David Heath are supporting Clegg; Evan Harris is now supporting Huhne. I'm sure I'll have missed some more as well. Greg @ 24 – that website looks like the work of a well-known cyber-squatter who’s registered the names of quite a number of Lib Dem MPs.

And yes, we could do with an update for this list – Simon Hughes, Jo Swinson, Alan Beith, Dan Rogerson and David Heath are supporting Clegg; Evan Harris is now supporting Huhne. I’m sure I’ll have missed some more as well.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-34125 Anonymous Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:54:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-34125 could this be updated please? could this be updated please?

]]> By: Greg Lowis http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32993 Greg Lowis Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:58:13 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32993 If Sarah Teather is backing Clegg, does anyone know why <a href="http://www.sarahteather.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Sarah Teather.co.uk</a> links to <a href="http://www.chrishuhne.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Chris Huhne.co.uk</a>? If Sarah Teather is backing Clegg, does anyone know why Sarah Teather.co.uk links to Chris Huhne.co.uk?

]]> By: Martin Land http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32468 Martin Land Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:31:21 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32468 It depends on your definition of pointless and in this case on your perception of choice. If we lived in a two party system, with Cameron and Brown promoting the same policies as each other, without the alternative of the Liberal Democrats, then I probably wouldn't vote either. You think I'm in a minority of one; let's see when the result is declared; I suspect I'll be in a minority of 25-35% of the membership and that's not counting the very large number who have made the more radical choice of not renewing their membership since the last leadership election. But, I'm already sufficiently bored to pledge not to comment anymore on this 'election'. It depends on your definition of pointless and in this case on your perception of choice. If we lived in a two party system, with Cameron and Brown promoting the same policies as each other, without the alternative of the Liberal Democrats, then I probably wouldn’t vote either. You think I’m in a minority of one; let’s see when the result is declared; I suspect I’ll be in a minority of 25-35% of the membership and that’s not counting the very large number who have made the more radical choice of not renewing their membership since the last leadership election. But, I’m already sufficiently bored to pledge not to comment anymore on this ‘election’.

]]> By: Duncan http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32464 Duncan Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:29:25 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32464 As a pointless protest at being given the right to vote for a new party leader? As a pointless protest at being given the right to vote for a new party leader?

]]> By: Martin Land http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32463 Martin Land Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:16:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32463 I'm always in a minority, Duncan. I don't remember voting out Charles Kennedy. I didn't vote in Ming Campbell, but then neither did I vote him out. This time, I suspect, I might be with the majority. I'm not voting at all! I’m always in a minority, Duncan. I don’t remember voting out Charles Kennedy. I didn’t vote in Ming Campbell, but then neither did I vote him out. This time, I suspect, I might be with the majority. I’m not voting at all!

]]> By: Duncan http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32462 Duncan Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:56:55 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32462 "They have had some sort of great enlightenment on the way" ...missing NOT “They have had some sort of great enlightenment on the way”
…missing NOT

]]> By: Duncan http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32461 Duncan Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:55:59 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32461 Martin's wording is interesting "six of his colleagues, who presumably know him best?" Given the tirade from many members that MPs have driven our last two leaders out of office (not true in Ming's case in my opinion) are we just going to let MPs decided the comings and goings of leaders? We should have more choice of contenders not less! When Ed says "they will happily serve under the other if he was to win" I agree, indeed some on Nick's team this time were on Chris's team last time. They have had some sort of great enlightenment on the way. As Paul Walter says at http://paulwalter.blogspot.com/2007/10/thank-goodness-difference-on-policy.html"Up until now the LibDem leadership contest could be called the "fag paper" election - it has been very difficult to put a fag paper between the two candidates on most issues and criteria." But now some differences are opening up to offer the MEMBERSHIP a real choice. I think you are in a minority of one on this Martin. Martin’s wording is interesting “six of his colleagues, who presumably know him best?”
Given the tirade from many members that MPs have driven our last two leaders out of office (not true in Ming’s case in my opinion) are we just going to let MPs decided the comings and goings of leaders?
We should have more choice of contenders not less!
When Ed says “they will happily serve under the other if he was to win” I agree, indeed some on Nick’s team this time were on Chris’s team last time. They have had some sort of great enlightenment on the way. As Paul Walter says at http://paulwalter.blogspot.com/2007/10/thank-goodness-difference-on-policy.html“Up until now the LibDem leadership contest could be called the “fag paper” election – it has been very difficult to put a fag paper between the two candidates on most issues and criteria.”
But now some differences are opening up to offer the MEMBERSHIP a real choice.
I think you are in a minority of one on this Martin.

]]> By: Ed http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32460 Ed Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:43:48 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32460 I think there might be an error on the time-stamp on Martin Land's posting - surely it was made at 11.09pm (not am)just after a heavy session at the pub? We are electing the leader of a whole party, not just a group of MPs. They will undoubtably influence the outcome but they should not determine it. Many of the MPs backing Nick will be doing so from a strong conviction that he is the right person to lead the party. A few will be doing so as a career choice. But for many the decision will have been an extremely tight one and despite declaring for one candidate they will happily serve under the other if he was to win. Contrary to Martin's assertion, real differences are appearing in presentational and organisational style and policy substance between Chris and Nick. The result of this leadership contest will influence the course of liberalism and the Liberal Democrats well beyond the decade or so that the winner can expect to serve as leader. I dont plan to let the choices of 60-odd MPs decide my vote. I think there might be an error on the time-stamp on Martin Land’s posting – surely it was made at 11.09pm (not am)just after a heavy session at the pub?

We are electing the leader of a whole party, not just a group of MPs. They will undoubtably influence the outcome but they should not determine it.

Many of the MPs backing Nick will be doing so from a strong conviction that he is the right person to lead the party. A few will be doing so as a career choice. But for many the decision will have been an extremely tight one and despite declaring for one candidate they will happily serve under the other if he was to win.

Contrary to Martin’s assertion, real differences are appearing in presentational and organisational style and policy substance between Chris and Nick.

The result of this leadership contest will influence the course of liberalism and the Liberal Democrats well beyond the decade or so that the winner can expect to serve as leader. I dont plan to let the choices of 60-odd MPs decide my vote.

]]> By: Sam http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32459 Sam Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:06:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32459 Martin, The day we 60,000 members lose our chance to elect our leader, just because 20 or so other members of the party in the Westminster bubble happen to think they know best, is the day I leave this party. The bulk of the MPs got it wrong last time, who's to say they haven't got it wrong again. Martin,

The day we 60,000 members lose our chance to elect our leader, just because 20 or so other members of the party in the Westminster bubble happen to think they know best, is the day I leave this party.

The bulk of the MPs got it wrong last time, who’s to say they haven’t got it wrong again.

]]> By: Martin Land http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32456 Martin Land Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:09:37 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32456 I will repeat myself; as I already said elsewhere, this contest must stop now. Even if Chris Huhne were to win how can he lead with the active support of less than one in six of his colleagues, who presumably know him best? He should withdraw now. I would say differently if there was any chance of a debate, but a six week contest with no differences in policy or opinion with one candidate shot below the waterline is a waste of time and money. I will repeat myself; as I already said elsewhere, this contest must stop now.

Even if Chris Huhne were to win how can he lead with the active support of less than one in six of his colleagues, who presumably know him best?

He should withdraw now. I would say differently if there was any chance of a debate, but a six week contest with no differences in policy or opinion with one candidate shot below the waterline is a waste of time and money.

]]> By: Bonkalot Jones http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32416 Bonkalot Jones Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:09:59 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32416 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7055936.stm Good to see that Nick Assinder is trying to bring about a self-fulfilling-prophecy of ructions in the Leadership Contest... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7055936.stm

Good to see that Nick Assinder is trying to bring about a self-fulfilling-prophecy of ructions in the Leadership Contest…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32413 Anonymous Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:00:17 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32413 13 - I still think that Ming was a great leader, who inspired at least my confidence. The way how media treated him was totally unfair. (disclaimer: I am NOT a member of Lib Dems or any other party.) 13 – I still think that Ming was a great leader, who inspired at least my confidence. The way how media treated him was totally unfair.

(disclaimer: I am NOT a member of Lib Dems or any other party.)

]]> By: Peter Dunphy http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32408 Peter Dunphy Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:23:31 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32408 11. I bet there are a few people on that list who would rather not be reminded 11. I bet there are a few people on that list who would rather not be reminded

]]> By: Stephen Tall http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32329 Stephen Tall Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:41:37 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32329 Thanks - John Hemming's 2006 preference for Ming duly noted. Thanks – John Hemming’s 2006 preference for Ming duly noted.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32322 Anonymous Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:37:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32322 2 - if you need corroboration, please see the archive of Ming's campaign site here: http://www.mingcampbell.org.uk/ccarchive/list-of-supporters/ 2 – if you need corroboration, please see the archive of Ming’s campaign site here: http://www.mingcampbell.org.uk/ccarchive/list-of-supporters/

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32321 Anonymous Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:33:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32321 Why won't Bob Russell declare? Is he a whip, too? Why won’t Bob Russell declare? Is he a whip, too?

]]> By: Cathy http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32308 Cathy Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:52:39 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32308 Sigh! It's a toss-up whether this 'contest' is as exciting and inspiring as watching paint dry or watching grass grow. Though I would rather cut off my left arm (I'm left handed) than vote for Huhne, so I guess that's my mind made up then....! Sigh! It’s a toss-up whether this ‘contest’ is as exciting and inspiring as watching paint dry or watching grass grow. Though I would rather cut off my left arm (I’m left handed) than vote for Huhne, so I guess that’s my mind made up then….!

]]> By: Martin Land http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32299 Martin Land Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:30:40 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32299 Come on Lembit, time to give the kiss of death to one candidate or another! Come on Lembit, time to give the kiss of death to one candidate or another!

]]> By: Doug http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32294 Doug Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/how-the-mps-are-lining-up-updated-1535.html#comment-32294 Yet factually correct on the basis of the evidence presented to us. Yet factually correct on the basis of the evidence presented to us.

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