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	<title>Comments on: Has CCHQ made a fool of Iain Dale again?</title>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23645</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M, you should be ashamed to be defending the Tories in Ealing, who are pursuing an horrendous and almost wantonly anti-green agrenda. Shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M, you should be ashamed to be defending the Tories in Ealing, who are pursuing an horrendous and almost wantonly anti-green agrenda. Shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Huck</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23629</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, M, 13 years before Tony Lit joined the Tory Party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, M, 13 years before Tony Lit joined the Tory Party!</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23627</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just happens that none of that has anything to do with the lies on the current Lib Dem leaflets. You are talking about a period of more than 13 years ago. That may be more convenient than talking about the rather good record of the current administration...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just happens that none of that has anything to do with the lies on the current Lib Dem leaflets. You are talking about a period of more than 13 years ago. That may be more convenient than talking about the rather good record of the current administration&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Huck</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23626</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tories in Ealing have a frankly shameful record on green issues.

How about their tampering with the backland policy (so they could flog off council owned land - including school playing fields - to developers)?

Yes, why was Councillor Norman Pointing given the boot as Planning Chair?

How about their decision to sell &quot;The Maples&quot; in Acton to the Notting Hill Housing Trust for redevelopment as high-density flats and townhouses - including the loss of a historic Victorian garden complete with pear tree visible from the street? (The planning application came up under Labour, but the Tories were in power when the decision to sell was taken.)

Not to mention Elthorne Park. Gosh, they had to back down from that one pretty quick!

And why did the then Conservative Council lie to residents about the covenants protecting land behind Cawdor Crescent, W7 (didn&#039;t know there were covenants, but still took out £2.5 million insurance!).

One honourable exception - the tree-loving Councillor Nigel Sumner (sorry, Nigel, I hope I haven&#039;t wrecked your career).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tories in Ealing have a frankly shameful record on green issues.</p>
<p>How about their tampering with the backland policy (so they could flog off council owned land &#8211; including school playing fields &#8211; to developers)?</p>
<p>Yes, why was Councillor Norman Pointing given the boot as Planning Chair?</p>
<p>How about their decision to sell &#8220;The Maples&#8221; in Acton to the Notting Hill Housing Trust for redevelopment as high-density flats and townhouses &#8211; including the loss of a historic Victorian garden complete with pear tree visible from the street? (The planning application came up under Labour, but the Tories were in power when the decision to sell was taken.)</p>
<p>Not to mention Elthorne Park. Gosh, they had to back down from that one pretty quick!</p>
<p>And why did the then Conservative Council lie to residents about the covenants protecting land behind Cawdor Crescent, W7 (didn&#8217;t know there were covenants, but still took out £2.5 million insurance!).</p>
<p>One honourable exception &#8211; the tree-loving Councillor Nigel Sumner (sorry, Nigel, I hope I haven&#8217;t wrecked your career).</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23609</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It looks like Tory-run Ealing has a shameful green record. Let’s hope we teach them a less on Thursday.&quot;

Do you have any regard for the truth? A one third increas in recycling a shamefull record? A 300% increase in green waste recycling shameful?

Whta is shameful is that the deliberate lying to residents using figures that end before the current administratin was elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It looks like Tory-run Ealing has a shameful green record. Let’s hope we teach them a less on Thursday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have any regard for the truth? A one third increas in recycling a shamefull record? A 300% increase in green waste recycling shameful?</p>
<p>Whta is shameful is that the deliberate lying to residents using figures that end before the current administratin was elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23603</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to 26:

&quot;lesson&quot;, not &quot;less&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to 26:</p>
<p>&#8220;lesson&#8221;, not &#8220;less&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23602</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Tory-run Ealing has a shameful green record. Let&#039;s hope we teach them a less on Thursday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Tory-run Ealing has a shameful green record. Let&#8217;s hope we teach them a less on Thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evidence?

Please see press releases where the Council a) gives recycling figures and b) categorically rules out fortnightly collections.

http://www.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2007/june_2007/pr994.html

http://ealinglibdems.org.uk/news/000134.html

http://www.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2007/february_2007/pr927.html

The latest Lib Dem leaflet headlines Tory pklans to introduce fortnightly collections - the opposite of the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidence?</p>
<p>Please see press releases where the Council a) gives recycling figures and b) categorically rules out fortnightly collections.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2007/june_2007/pr994.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2007/june_2007/pr994.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://ealinglibdems.org.uk/news/000134.html" rel="nofollow">http://ealinglibdems.org.uk/news/000134.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2007/february_2007/pr927.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ealing.gov.uk/press_releases/2007/february_2007/pr927.html</a></p>
<p>The latest Lib Dem leaflet headlines Tory pklans to introduce fortnightly collections &#8211; the opposite of the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23475</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M, you asked, &quot;Have I said anything that is incorrect?&quot; The truth is that I cannot know. You have made a number of evidence-free accusations. On that basis, I must say that in the absence of evidence there is no reason to believe you.

And, Edward, when you ask, &quot;But by putting it on a website which anybody can access isn’t there some implied permission to waive its privacy?&quot;, the answer is no. If I walk into Tate Modern am I allowed to reproduce the images of the art I see in there? By your logic I am because they are in a location that anyone can access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M, you asked, &#8220;Have I said anything that is incorrect?&#8221; The truth is that I cannot know. You have made a number of evidence-free accusations. On that basis, I must say that in the absence of evidence there is no reason to believe you.</p>
<p>And, Edward, when you ask, &#8220;But by putting it on a website which anybody can access isn’t there some implied permission to waive its privacy?&#8221;, the answer is no. If I walk into Tate Modern am I allowed to reproduce the images of the art I see in there? By your logic I am because they are in a location that anyone can access.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23467</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But by putting it on a website which anybody can access isn’t there some implied permission to waive its privacy? Isn’t that different from delivering it to a specific person?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The short answer to that is no, although there is a &quot;fair use&quot; defence.  If you want people to use photos on your website, you should make it Creative Commons.  Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But by putting it on a website which anybody can access isn’t there some implied permission to waive its privacy? Isn’t that different from delivering it to a specific person?</p></blockquote>
<p>The short answer to that is no, although there is a &#8220;fair use&#8221; defence.  If you want people to use photos on your website, you should make it Creative Commons.  Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23463</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But by putting it on a website which anybody can access isn&#039;t there some implied permission to waive its privacy? Isn&#039;t that different from delivering it to a specific person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But by putting it on a website which anybody can access isn&#8217;t there some implied permission to waive its privacy? Isn&#8217;t that different from delivering it to a specific person?</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23451</link>
		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Are the photos on the LibDem website copyrighted?&quot;

All photographs have copyright (at least for the purposes of this discussion)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are the photos on the LibDem website copyrighted?&#8221;</p>
<p>All photographs have copyright (at least for the purposes of this discussion)</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23425</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the photos on the LibDem website copyrighted? I suspect not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the photos on the LibDem website copyrighted? I suspect not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony F</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23419</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Do you support the tactic of Lib Dem lies in Cleveland leaflets?”

Given a Lib Dem council wasn&#039;t elected then you can&#039;t really accuse them of not cutting council tax. 

Just because you&#039;ve argued that if you ran the council you&#039;d cut council tax, it&#039;s not necessarily inconsistent to  vote against a Labour budget when in opposition because the council tax increase doesn&#039;t support the spending commitments the council is making - and doesn&#039;t imply you don&#039;t think council tax should be lower. Not being a Clevelend Lib Dem I don&#039;t know the ins and outs of it or how they justified their opposition to the budgets, but without knowing more I don&#039;t think there is enough evidence of a &quot;tactic of lies&quot;.

On the subject of lying to get yourself elected; see my comments in 7 above that relate to the deliberate actions of CCHQ in this by-election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Do you support the tactic of Lib Dem lies in Cleveland leaflets?”</p>
<p>Given a Lib Dem council wasn&#8217;t elected then you can&#8217;t really accuse them of not cutting council tax. </p>
<p>Just because you&#8217;ve argued that if you ran the council you&#8217;d cut council tax, it&#8217;s not necessarily inconsistent to  vote against a Labour budget when in opposition because the council tax increase doesn&#8217;t support the spending commitments the council is making &#8211; and doesn&#8217;t imply you don&#8217;t think council tax should be lower. Not being a Clevelend Lib Dem I don&#8217;t know the ins and outs of it or how they justified their opposition to the budgets, but without knowing more I don&#8217;t think there is enough evidence of a &#8220;tactic of lies&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the subject of lying to get yourself elected; see my comments in 7 above that relate to the deliberate actions of CCHQ in this by-election.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23402</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have I said anything that is incorrect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have I said anything that is incorrect?</p>
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		<title>By: Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23400</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iain Dale&#039;s &amp; M&#039;s comments - do show the Tories up for what they really are &amp; like when the heat of an election is on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iain Dale&#8217;s &amp; M&#8217;s comments &#8211; do show the Tories up for what they really are &amp; like when the heat of an election is on.</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23349</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anybody investigated, &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6519117.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whether the Tories have been breaching the law&lt;/a&gt;, when they durign the election campaign in Ealing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/14/nbrown314.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reportedly have been serving lentil curry and rice pudding to worshippers in a Sikh temple&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody investigated, <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6519117.stm" rel="nofollow">whether the Tories have been breaching the law</a>, when they durign the election campaign in Ealing <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/14/nbrown314.xml" rel="nofollow">reportedly have been serving lentil curry and rice pudding to worshippers in a Sikh temple</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23341</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. M - given the form that the Tories have built up in this by-election (see comment 7 above), I don&#039;t tend to believe a word that you/they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. M &#8211; given the form that the Tories have built up in this by-election (see comment 7 above), I don&#8217;t tend to believe a word that you/they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23339</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calm down, girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down, girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Huck</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/iain-dale-1016.html#comment-23334</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Huck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong, M. I form my own judgment by first ascertaining the facts. Unlike David Cameron, who waded ram stam into the politics of Southall, exploiting community rivalries he doesn&#039;t understand, and has now ended up looking a prize twat whose leadership really has to be in question.

Come on, M. Drop your mask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong, M. I form my own judgment by first ascertaining the facts. Unlike David Cameron, who waded ram stam into the politics of Southall, exploiting community rivalries he doesn&#8217;t understand, and has now ended up looking a prize twat whose leadership really has to be in question.</p>
<p>Come on, M. Drop your mask.</p>
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