Comments on: Is this really Britain? http://www.libdemvoice.org/is-this-really-britain-13645.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:36:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/is-this-really-britain-13645.html#comment-88596 Oranjepan Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:32:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13645#comment-88596 Didn't Damian McBride and Derek Draper conspire criminally, abusing public resources and causing damage to the institution of government? Will they be arrested? What will their bail conditions be? Didn’t Damian McBride and Derek Draper conspire criminally, abusing public resources and causing damage to the institution of government?

Will they be arrested?
What will their bail conditions be?

]]> By: David Boothroyd http://www.libdemvoice.org/is-this-really-britain-13645.html#comment-88594 David Boothroyd Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:23:22 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13645#comment-88594 Whenever someone is arrested it is always "on suspicion of" committing an offence. If the police have intelligence that an illegal action is going to cause serious disruption, do you really expect them to do nothing about it until the action happens? Whenever someone is arrested it is always “on suspicion of” committing an offence.

If the police have intelligence that an illegal action is going to cause serious disruption, do you really expect them to do nothing about it until the action happens?

]]> By: bentham http://www.libdemvoice.org/is-this-really-britain-13645.html#comment-88592 bentham Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:15:56 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13645#comment-88592 "If the alleged offence was suspicion of conspiracy, why have they not been charged? Once you’re holding a midnight meeting, conspiracy has pretty much, I would say, been committed." The alleged offence is conspiracy, the suspicion is that it's been committed. The meeting only established that their is a conspiracy, not whether it was a criminal one. “If the alleged offence was suspicion of conspiracy, why have they not been charged? Once you’re holding a midnight meeting, conspiracy has pretty much, I would say, been committed.”

The alleged offence is conspiracy, the suspicion is that it’s been committed. The meeting only established that their is a conspiracy, not whether it was a criminal one.

]]> By: KL http://www.libdemvoice.org/is-this-really-britain-13645.html#comment-88585 KL Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:06:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13645#comment-88585 This is, I guess, a problem with the "conspiracy to commit..." offence - how do you define active conspiracy? What's the difference between someone yelling in an argument "I'm going to kill you!" and actually making plans to carry it out? Alan Simpson was actually very good in an interview on 5Live last night - so much so that I actually thought he was one of our MPs and not Labour until I heard his name! As he said, why couldn't the police have waited until a crime was actually committed before going in heavy handed? Why were the group allowed to assemble in the school? If - as has been suggested - there were police infiltrators, why wasn't the information used to stop the meeting by refusing access to the school? Who's going to pay for the damage to the school - the police or the education authority? Too many questions here... This is, I guess, a problem with the “conspiracy to commit…” offence – how do you define active conspiracy? What’s the difference between someone yelling in an argument “I’m going to kill you!” and actually making plans to carry it out?

Alan Simpson was actually very good in an interview on 5Live last night – so much so that I actually thought he was one of our MPs and not Labour until I heard his name! As he said, why couldn’t the police have waited until a crime was actually committed before going in heavy handed? Why were the group allowed to assemble in the school? If – as has been suggested – there were police infiltrators, why wasn’t the information used to stop the meeting by refusing access to the school? Who’s going to pay for the damage to the school – the police or the education authority?

Too many questions here…

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