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	<title>Comments on: The Electoral Commission gets it wrong on turnout</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: she was previously Chair of the Equal Opportunities Commission and a board member of the Audit Commission. 

Mouse: well, I&#039;ve pounded street with registration forms and I&#039;m in favour of individual registration!

I think it would bring significant benefits in terms of fighting electoral fraud, whilst the possible damage to registration rates can be offset by other work.

Felix: yes, she has responded and I&#039;ll blog about that shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: she was previously Chair of the Equal Opportunities Commission and a board member of the Audit Commission. </p>
<p>Mouse: well, I&#8217;ve pounded street with registration forms and I&#8217;m in favour of individual registration!</p>
<p>I think it would bring significant benefits in terms of fighting electoral fraud, whilst the possible damage to registration rates can be offset by other work.</p>
<p>Felix: yes, she has responded and I&#8217;ll blog about that shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Greaves</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94070</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Greaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this worth a comment? The Electoral Commission is a huge waste of money and largely exists to justify its own existence and the jobs of the people who run it.

Before it was set up the overseeing of elections was done by about three people in the Home Office (I do not exaggerate). No doubt a bit more than that is needed but it would help if they were people with some knowledge and understanding of the electoral and political process.

By the way the County Council turnout in Pendle was around 45% and not more than 3% or 4% of those would be bogus.

Tony Greaves
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this worth a comment? The Electoral Commission is a huge waste of money and largely exists to justify its own existence and the jobs of the people who run it.</p>
<p>Before it was set up the overseeing of elections was done by about three people in the Home Office (I do not exaggerate). No doubt a bit more than that is needed but it would help if they were people with some knowledge and understanding of the electoral and political process.</p>
<p>By the way the County Council turnout in Pendle was around 45% and not more than 3% or 4% of those would be bogus.</p>
<p>Tony Greaves<br />
Tony Greaves</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94065</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How will individual registration boost the electoral register? It won’t, it makes registration harder.&quot;

That&#039;s not entirely fair. In some parts of the country - certainly in East Lancashire - the current registration system leads to some individuals getting multiple votes.

The numbers probably will go down, but at least some of the people who will disappear from the lists never had a vote in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How will individual registration boost the electoral register? It won’t, it makes registration harder.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not entirely fair. In some parts of the country &#8211; certainly in East Lancashire &#8211; the current registration system leads to some individuals getting multiple votes.</p>
<p>The numbers probably will go down, but at least some of the people who will disappear from the lists never had a vote in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: crewegwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>crewegwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Electoral Commission reminds me of the RSPB.

Both organisations benefit from &quot;bad news stories&quot; [turnouts are down - yellowhammers are in decline] and choose to ignore &quot;good news stories&quot; [turnouts are up - buzzards are booming].

The RSPB needs bad news to get money from people; the EC needs bad news to justify its existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Electoral Commission reminds me of the RSPB.</p>
<p>Both organisations benefit from &#8220;bad news stories&#8221; [turnouts are down - yellowhammers are in decline] and choose to ignore &#8220;good news stories&#8221; [turnouts are up - buzzards are booming].</p>
<p>The RSPB needs bad news to get money from people; the EC needs bad news to justify its existence.</p>
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		<title>By: felix holt</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94061</link>
		<dc:creator>felix holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has she replied?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has she replied?</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94048</link>
		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think you missed the point. Apart from the mistakes the speach is full of vacuous phrases. &quot;we all have work to do&quot; &quot;it can&#039;t happen over night&quot; &quot;It can&#039;t continue like this&quot; &quot;We cannot underestimate the damage ... MPs expenses ..&quot;

I presume even Jenny Watson didn&#039;t read her speach as a few lines after bemoaning low turnout, it mentions turnout was was 24% in 1999.

How will individual registration boost the electoral register?  It won&#039;t, it makes registration harder.

Have any of the people advocating it actually pounded the streets to register people under the existing system? I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think you missed the point. Apart from the mistakes the speach is full of vacuous phrases. &#8220;we all have work to do&#8221; &#8220;it can&#8217;t happen over night&#8221; &#8220;It can&#8217;t continue like this&#8221; &#8220;We cannot underestimate the damage &#8230; MPs expenses ..&#8221;</p>
<p>I presume even Jenny Watson didn&#8217;t read her speach as a few lines after bemoaning low turnout, it mentions turnout was was 24% in 1999.</p>
<p>How will individual registration boost the electoral register?  It won&#8217;t, it makes registration harder.</p>
<p>Have any of the people advocating it actually pounded the streets to register people under the existing system? I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94030</link>
		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The qualifications for the electoral commission are no understanding of politics or campaigning.  It helps if you have an almost comic fantasy view of how parties work &quot;on the ground&quot;.

The speach by Jenny Watson is totally awful. 
the whole electoral commission is a watse of time and money. Is is also another example of how &quot;transparency&quot; is not a panacea.  So for example, jsut because a massive donation is tarnsparently declared, it doesn&#039;t make it healthy for democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The qualifications for the electoral commission are no understanding of politics or campaigning.  It helps if you have an almost comic fantasy view of how parties work &#8220;on the ground&#8221;.</p>
<p>The speach by Jenny Watson is totally awful.<br />
the whole electoral commission is a watse of time and money. Is is also another example of how &#8220;transparency&#8221; is not a panacea.  So for example, jsut because a massive donation is tarnsparently declared, it doesn&#8217;t make it healthy for democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94022</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What were her qualifications for being appointed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were her qualifications for being appointed?</p>
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		<title>By: HF</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94019</link>
		<dc:creator>HF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mark for doing that.  I always wondered about the competence of these folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark for doing that.  I always wondered about the competence of these folk.</p>
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		<title>By: felix holt</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94017</link>
		<dc:creator>felix holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depressin&#039; ain&#039;t it (as Peter Wimsey might put it) that the boss of elections can&#039;t work out stuff like this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depressin&#8217; ain&#8217;t it (as Peter Wimsey might put it) that the boss of elections can&#8217;t work out stuff like this!</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94016</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested to read the response....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested to read the response&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/jenny-watson-electoral-commission-15514.html#comment-94012</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody hell! That&#039;s comically bad. I can just about forgive comparing 2004 and 2009 Euro turnouts but 2005 and 2009 county turnout? Quaequam blag!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody hell! That&#8217;s comically bad. I can just about forgive comparing 2004 and 2009 Euro turnouts but 2005 and 2009 county turnout? Quaequam blag!</p>
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