Comments on: Conservative arrested over proxy vote fiddle allegations http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:38:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ben Stoneham http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47066 Ben Stoneham Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:48:34 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47066 Despite the attempts by the Winchester/Meon Valley Conservatives at distancing themselves from John Hall he is photographed on all their literature for the election with George Hollingbury their PPC and other activists. We have that on the record. He has been one of their principal activists in Whiteley and hopefully we won't see him outside the polling station this year as he is normally. He lives next door to the current sitting Conservative councillor in Corriander Way and in the same road as their candidate this year. So distancing him from the Conservative machine won't wash. We saw yesterday that Winchester Council appear to have withdrawn six proxy votes from the earlier list they had published. Two each held by John Hall and his wife - Sue Hall - and another two held in the name of the wife of this year's Conservative Council candidate - Michelle Wheeler. Despite the attempts by the Winchester/Meon Valley Conservatives at distancing themselves from John Hall he is photographed on all their literature for the election with George Hollingbury their PPC and other activists. We have that on the record. He has been one of their principal activists in Whiteley and hopefully we won’t see him outside the polling station this year as he is normally. He lives next door to the current sitting Conservative councillor in Corriander Way and in the same road as their candidate this year. So distancing him from the Conservative machine won’t wash.

We saw yesterday that Winchester Council appear to have withdrawn six proxy votes from the earlier list they had published. Two each held by John Hall and his wife – Sue Hall – and another two held in the name of the wife of this year’s Conservative Council candidate – Michelle Wheeler.

]]> By: tony hill http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47065 tony hill Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:53:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47065 Chris Paul is equating a criminal act on the one hand with publishing possibly inaccurate information (I have no way of knowing as I am not a tax accountant) in a political leaflet. Although I deplore deliberate falsification for political ends there is no moral equivalence between that and the perversion of the electoral process. Just for the record, I have probably seen more pieces of Liberal (Democrat) literature during the past forty years than almost anyone else in the country, and the proportion of leaflets which have been mendacious or which have had a substantial intention to mislead (rather than to put a positive gloss on LibDem activities or a negative gloss on the opposition) is neglibible. Chris Paul is equating a criminal act on the one hand with publishing possibly inaccurate information (I have no way of knowing as I am not a tax accountant) in a political leaflet. Although I deplore deliberate falsification for political ends there is no moral equivalence between that and the perversion of the electoral process. Just for the record, I have probably seen more pieces of Liberal (Democrat) literature during the past forty years than almost anyone else in the country, and the proportion of leaflets which have been mendacious or which have had a substantial intention to mislead (rather than to put a positive gloss on LibDem activities or a negative gloss on the opposition) is neglibible.

]]> By: John Brace http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47038 John Brace Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:32:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47038 Unfortunately in my area it's the police turning up at the Lib Dem candidate's doorstep; then telling blatant and criminal lies about the candidate's character/conduct in front of a deliverer and a friend which follows on from the death threats and violence in the streets towards our candidate (which the police won't do anything about; even though the person who beat up our candidate had an outstanding arrest warrant!). The police usually make complaints when we tell them of election offences (as we have this past six months) from not having a free interview room to not considering it worthy to record as a crime. There is no such thing as democracy in this country. Part of thi down to the local neighbourhood gossip (/full-time liar) and neighbourhood curtain-twitcher who seemingly has nothing better to do with her time than waste police time and make persistent phone calls to the police with false allegations about our candidate... At this rate the candidate will end up either claiming asylum or quit politics altogether! Unfortunately in my area it’s the police turning up at the Lib Dem candidate’s doorstep; then telling blatant and criminal lies about the candidate’s character/conduct in front of a deliverer and a friend which follows on from the death threats and violence in the streets towards our candidate (which the police won’t do anything about; even though the person who beat up our candidate had an outstanding arrest warrant!).

The police usually make complaints when we tell them of election offences (as we have this past six months) from not having a free interview room to not considering it worthy to record as a crime. There is no such thing as democracy in this country.

Part of thi down to the local neighbourhood gossip (/full-time liar) and neighbourhood curtain-twitcher who seemingly has nothing better to do with her time than waste police time and make persistent phone calls to the police with false allegations about our candidate…

At this rate the candidate will end up either claiming asylum or quit politics altogether!

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47027 Hywel Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:55:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47027 Presumably this was an occasion when his personal convenience meant he could produce the leaflet :-) Presumably this was an occasion when his personal convenience meant he could produce the leaflet :-)

]]> By: Steve Cooke http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47021 Steve Cooke Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:31:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47021 Waa waaa waaa. The tedious Chris Paul broken record strikes again. Waa waaa waaa. The tedious Chris Paul broken record strikes again.

]]> By: Chris Paul http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47013 Chris Paul Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:56:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47013 I'd tend to agree with Martin Land to a point though of course the people who have no ethics in our neck of the woods are Lib Dems. Like Leech with his disgusting hospital hoax, persistently misleading P and Ps, and now a tax hike leaflet that <a href="http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogspot.com/2008/04/lib-dem-lies-are-they-using-these-fibs.html" rel="nofollow">beggars belief in its mendacity</a>. Is this from Lib Dem Hoax Central or one of his own concoctions? I’d tend to agree with Martin Land to a point though of course the people who have no ethics in our neck of the woods are Lib Dems. Like Leech with his disgusting hospital hoax, persistently misleading P and Ps, and now a tax hike leaflet that beggars belief in its mendacity. Is this from Lib Dem Hoax Central or one of his own concoctions?

]]> By: Martin Land http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-47012 Martin Land Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:12:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-47012 I went through a long winded case of this four years back where a Tory Councillor cast a number, well above two, of Proxy Votes in a ward, but in different polling atations so neither the ERO nor the Presiding Officers picked up on it. I did though. The Police eventually decided to caution her rather than arrest her and she accepted the caution and then promptly told the local press she hadn't done anything wrong - which means she hadn't accepted the caution, so I reported her to the Police again! The problem is when you are dealing with people and by people, I mean, of course, Conservatives, who have no ethics and believe that the law is something they impose not something they have to obey, you are frankly wasting your time complaining. I went through a long winded case of this four years back where a Tory Councillor cast a number, well above two, of Proxy Votes in a ward, but in different polling atations so neither the ERO nor the Presiding Officers picked up on it. I did though. The Police eventually decided to caution her rather than arrest her and she accepted the caution and then promptly told the local press she hadn’t done anything wrong – which means she hadn’t accepted the caution, so I reported her to the Police again!

The problem is when you are dealing with people and by people, I mean, of course, Conservatives, who have no ethics and believe that the law is something they impose not something they have to obey, you are frankly wasting your time complaining.

]]> By: tony hill http://www.libdemvoice.org/john-hall-2601.html#comment-46952 tony hill Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:29:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2601#comment-46952 There were suspicions about proxy votes in Whiteley as far back as 2003 when the Tories first took the seat off the LibDems. If your ward has an unusual number of proxy votes this story reinforces the necessity to investigate the circumstances. There were suspicions about proxy votes in Whiteley as far back as 2003 when the Tories first took the seat off the LibDems. If your ward has an unusual number of proxy votes this story reinforces the necessity to investigate the circumstances.

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