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	<title>Comments on: Why the Leadership Academy shouldn&#8217;t just train the leaders</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Leunig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Leunig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent idea, cogently argued. Like Rob I soon became local party chair in a development seat, and like Rob I raised enough money to buy Riso. And like Rob, I was rubbish at motivating new people and potential cllrs. Again, like Rob I was in London, and some evening training sessions at Cowley St (no travel or accom expenses for anyone to pay) could have paid real dividends. I realise that evening training like this won&#039;t work everywhere, but it could work in many places. Let&#039;s go for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent idea, cogently argued. Like Rob I soon became local party chair in a development seat, and like Rob I raised enough money to buy Riso. And like Rob, I was rubbish at motivating new people and potential cllrs. Again, like Rob I was in London, and some evening training sessions at Cowley St (no travel or accom expenses for anyone to pay) could have paid real dividends. I realise that evening training like this won&#8217;t work everywhere, but it could work in many places. Let&#8217;s go for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63881</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this would be great.  As someone in a constituency* that punches above its weight in terms of activists vs council seats, we don&#039;t have the time or energy to seek new members.  Any help for this would be brilliant.

* Which I won&#039;t name, but the current MP likes cigars and fedoras</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this would be great.  As someone in a constituency* that punches above its weight in terms of activists vs council seats, we don&#8217;t have the time or energy to seek new members.  Any help for this would be brilliant.</p>
<p>* Which I won&#8217;t name, but the current MP likes cigars and fedoras</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63864</link>
		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wel remember the first LDYS ‘Activate’ weekend which included amongst its number one (very young) Jo Swinson and also Katt Price, both of whom went on to serve the party in different ways.&quot;

Several other people from that event are still involved in the party in varying degrees - there&#039;s a guy I run into occasionally in Wakefield.  However Activate was expensive - 4 trainers for a weekend, accomodation, paying nearly all the expenses of the attendees were all an investment in the medium to long term.

One concern is over the name &quot;Leadership Academy&quot; - whilst leadership skills are something we lack I wonder if it will put people who don&#039;t have any aspirations of leadership off attending.

A lot of our training is very heavily &quot;event&quot; focussed - which is fine if you can attend but means we don&#039;t reach everyone we could.  That could be addressed through distance learning which is something I was keen on when at ALDC but never really had the competency to develop the materials.

Neil is right about co-ordination (though it&#039;s better than it has been).  One good point about a dedicated training unit is it would mean training was removed from the turf wars which go on between different organisations within the party about who does what sort of training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wel remember the first LDYS ‘Activate’ weekend which included amongst its number one (very young) Jo Swinson and also Katt Price, both of whom went on to serve the party in different ways.&#8221;</p>
<p>Several other people from that event are still involved in the party in varying degrees &#8211; there&#8217;s a guy I run into occasionally in Wakefield.  However Activate was expensive &#8211; 4 trainers for a weekend, accomodation, paying nearly all the expenses of the attendees were all an investment in the medium to long term.</p>
<p>One concern is over the name &#8220;Leadership Academy&#8221; &#8211; whilst leadership skills are something we lack I wonder if it will put people who don&#8217;t have any aspirations of leadership off attending.</p>
<p>A lot of our training is very heavily &#8220;event&#8221; focussed &#8211; which is fine if you can attend but means we don&#8217;t reach everyone we could.  That could be addressed through distance learning which is something I was keen on when at ALDC but never really had the competency to develop the materials.</p>
<p>Neil is right about co-ordination (though it&#8217;s better than it has been).  One good point about a dedicated training unit is it would mean training was removed from the turf wars which go on between different organisations within the party about who does what sort of training.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63861</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rob&#039;s main point that we need to improve training for keen activists at all levels.

That is not necessarily the same thing as is envisaged by the &#039;Leadership Academy&#039; proposal but is a good objective nonetheless.

As someone who has spent a large chunk of weekends and evenings training other party activists I am a firm beleiver that the party should invest more in training at all levels.  

I wel remember the first LDYS &#039;Activate&#039; weekend which included amongst its number one (very young) Jo Swinson and also Katt Price, both of whom went on to serve the party in different ways.

As a party we will be as successful as the people we&#039;ve got, and investing in their skills and abilities should be a no-brainer.

Currently there is a lot of effort put into training at various levels in the party but the coordination of it is poorly resoruced leading to much duplication and a lack of sharing of best practice and ideas.

But james is also right.  There&#039;s no point having these aspirations unless we identify a budget to pay for them and provide training in a way that our over-stretched activists can find the time to do.

I very much hope the section in the Bones report will be taken seriously and will rseult in improvement in training across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rob&#8217;s main point that we need to improve training for keen activists at all levels.</p>
<p>That is not necessarily the same thing as is envisaged by the &#8216;Leadership Academy&#8217; proposal but is a good objective nonetheless.</p>
<p>As someone who has spent a large chunk of weekends and evenings training other party activists I am a firm beleiver that the party should invest more in training at all levels.  </p>
<p>I wel remember the first LDYS &#8216;Activate&#8217; weekend which included amongst its number one (very young) Jo Swinson and also Katt Price, both of whom went on to serve the party in different ways.</p>
<p>As a party we will be as successful as the people we&#8217;ve got, and investing in their skills and abilities should be a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Currently there is a lot of effort put into training at various levels in the party but the coordination of it is poorly resoruced leading to much duplication and a lack of sharing of best practice and ideas.</p>
<p>But james is also right.  There&#8217;s no point having these aspirations unless we identify a budget to pay for them and provide training in a way that our over-stretched activists can find the time to do.</p>
<p>I very much hope the section in the Bones report will be taken seriously and will rseult in improvement in training across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Edis</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63860</link>
		<dc:creator>Edis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just musing on doing a post asking what was happening about The Academy! Thanks!

One suggestion - draw on the experience of LibDems who have worked in the Open University or done Open University courses so that the Academy builds up an &#039;Open Learning&#039; ethos. This is not just &#039;distance education&#039; but a way of of fostering learning as a shared process drawing on the knwledge and experience of &#039;students&#039; as well as &#039;facilitators&#039;..  Maybe we could develop materials and resources for the academy that could also be used by other LibDem  members, and help make this an UK wide initiative not just another London and commuter belt thingummy.

Declaration of interest; I am former OU project officer and associate lecturer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just musing on doing a post asking what was happening about The Academy! Thanks!</p>
<p>One suggestion &#8211; draw on the experience of LibDems who have worked in the Open University or done Open University courses so that the Academy builds up an &#8216;Open Learning&#8217; ethos. This is not just &#8216;distance education&#8217; but a way of of fostering learning as a shared process drawing on the knwledge and experience of &#8216;students&#8217; as well as &#8216;facilitators&#8217;..  Maybe we could develop materials and resources for the academy that could also be used by other LibDem  members, and help make this an UK wide initiative not just another London and commuter belt thingummy.</p>
<p>Declaration of interest; I am former OU project officer and associate lecturer.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63857</link>
		<dc:creator>James Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to pay for all this is the key issue and needs to be established before the academy is set up.  I realise the party leadership is allergic to anything vaguely resembling a budget these days but it simply will not do to propose setting up a system of candidate approval that will force anyone interested in being a candidate to attend 6 weekend training events (without even spelling out what will go into each course) and then mention that they will &quot;try&quot; to set up a &quot;system of grants and bursuries&quot; for those who can&#039;t afford the outlay as an afterthought.

By all means let&#039;s offer as many people as much training as possible, regardless of whether they want to be an MP, councillor, agent or organiser.  The Bones report seems to assume that the problem we have with candidates is that we have too many of them and we need a way of seperating the wheat from the chaff.  If only!  What we needs is more people willing to go through the process and transparent and fair selection processes.  Competition will do the rest of the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to pay for all this is the key issue and needs to be established before the academy is set up.  I realise the party leadership is allergic to anything vaguely resembling a budget these days but it simply will not do to propose setting up a system of candidate approval that will force anyone interested in being a candidate to attend 6 weekend training events (without even spelling out what will go into each course) and then mention that they will &#8220;try&#8221; to set up a &#8220;system of grants and bursuries&#8221; for those who can&#8217;t afford the outlay as an afterthought.</p>
<p>By all means let&#8217;s offer as many people as much training as possible, regardless of whether they want to be an MP, councillor, agent or organiser.  The Bones report seems to assume that the problem we have with candidates is that we have too many of them and we need a way of seperating the wheat from the chaff.  If only!  What we needs is more people willing to go through the process and transparent and fair selection processes.  Competition will do the rest of the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Clegg's Candid Friend</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63851</link>
		<dc:creator>Clegg's Candid Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No simply the best trained and therefore probably the most competent candidate (although admittedly not necessarily)&quot;

But they would decide which one that was based on accreditation by the party centrally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No simply the best trained and therefore probably the most competent candidate (although admittedly not necessarily)&#8221;</p>
<p>But they would decide which one that was based on accreditation by the party centrally?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter1919</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63850</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter1919</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No simply the best trained and therefore probably the most competent candidate (although admittedly not necessarily)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No simply the best trained and therefore probably the most competent candidate (although admittedly not necessarily)</p>
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		<title>By: Clegg's Candid Friend</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63842</link>
		<dc:creator>Clegg's Candid Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is so that members don’t automatically choose the candidate who’s been hanging around the longest etc, etc.&quot;

But would instead tend to choose a candidate based on their accreditation by the party centrally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is so that members don’t automatically choose the candidate who’s been hanging around the longest etc, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>But would instead tend to choose a candidate based on their accreditation by the party centrally?</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Christie-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63840</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Christie-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Rob, but we need to be clear about the aims and objectives of the &#039;leadership academy&#039;. 

I think it&#039;s vital that we train all activists, as you say, but I think (and I hope) that one of the things that the leadership academy will do, is allow PPCs to prove what skills they already possess and what they have been working hard to possess. 

This is so that members don&#039;t automatically choose the candidate who&#039;s been hanging around the longest etc, etc. Incumbents in all selections, for all levels of elections, have a massive advantage and that is not always to the benefit of the party, either local or national. It should be open to all aspiring high quality PPCs but accreditation should not be based just on attendance but attendance and delivery.

So, it is has (or should have as we all know very little about it at the moment) different aims from that which your talking about which is a more comprehensive training programme available for activists.  

I think it&#039;s fine to have both but we should be careful not to muddle up the aims and objectives of the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Rob, but we need to be clear about the aims and objectives of the &#8216;leadership academy&#8217;. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s vital that we train all activists, as you say, but I think (and I hope) that one of the things that the leadership academy will do, is allow PPCs to prove what skills they already possess and what they have been working hard to possess. </p>
<p>This is so that members don&#8217;t automatically choose the candidate who&#8217;s been hanging around the longest etc, etc. Incumbents in all selections, for all levels of elections, have a massive advantage and that is not always to the benefit of the party, either local or national. It should be open to all aspiring high quality PPCs but accreditation should not be based just on attendance but attendance and delivery.</p>
<p>So, it is has (or should have as we all know very little about it at the moment) different aims from that which your talking about which is a more comprehensive training programme available for activists.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fine to have both but we should be careful not to muddle up the aims and objectives of the two.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/leadership-academy-4388.html#comment-63827</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my understanding is that the idea is for something that is open to activists and others not just target seat ppcs. seems eminently sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my understanding is that the idea is for something that is open to activists and others not just target seat ppcs. seems eminently sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agree. And one major advantage you haven&#039;t mentioned is that black hole seats can be dominated by a clique of old-timers who do things their way and never mind what best practice suggests or what fresh ideas newcomers bring. Doubtless other parties and other (non-political) membership groups experience the same thing. Bring in external training for anyone who wants it and you can ensure new people don&#039;t get squeezed out but instead redress the balance and dilute the bloody-minded ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree. And one major advantage you haven&#8217;t mentioned is that black hole seats can be dominated by a clique of old-timers who do things their way and never mind what best practice suggests or what fresh ideas newcomers bring. Doubtless other parties and other (non-political) membership groups experience the same thing. Bring in external training for anyone who wants it and you can ensure new people don&#8217;t get squeezed out but instead redress the balance and dilute the bloody-minded ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.</p>
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