Comments on: Lembit: time for Lib Dems to stop the conspiracy against me http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:55:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66982 Mark Pack Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:18:35 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66982 Mark: it's a fair point about keeping different roles separate. Moderation was done with LDV hat. Mark: it’s a fair point about keeping different roles separate. Moderation was done with LDV hat.

]]> By: MatGB http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66971 MatGB Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:07:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66971 Mark W: TBH, Mark P's left up more comments than I would've--getting the notifications, it was bloody obvious they were sockpuppets or astroturfers, you'd have thought by now the people organising this sort of thing would've learnt how to make it harder to spot. The McCain campaign almost managed it, but Lembit's supporters (that are posting here) don't seem up to it. Ah well. Also went to Sheffield Saturday, and agree with Simon--Chandila gets my 2nd pref for sure now, Lembit was very very strong on the 'business as usual, there are no problems to solve' platform, stressing his length of time on FE. I genuinely think he isn't aware of any actual problems within the party structure. At least Chandila is asking the right questions, even if I'm not as keen on his solutions. Go Ros. Mark W: TBH, Mark P’s left up more comments than I would’ve–getting the notifications, it was bloody obvious they were sockpuppets or astroturfers, you’d have thought by now the people organising this sort of thing would’ve learnt how to make it harder to spot.

The McCain campaign almost managed it, but Lembit’s supporters (that are posting here) don’t seem up to it.

Ah well.

Also went to Sheffield Saturday, and agree with Simon–Chandila gets my 2nd pref for sure now, Lembit was very very strong on the ‘business as usual, there are no problems to solve’ platform, stressing his length of time on FE. I genuinely think he isn’t aware of any actual problems within the party structure. At least Chandila is asking the right questions, even if I’m not as keen on his solutions.

Go Ros.

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66966 Mark Littlewood Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:39:27 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66966 Seems very reasonable. But... Is that in your capacity as an independent moderator of the independent LibDem website, LDV? Or do you have any professional relationship with anyone running the election? Or both? (I have enough respect for Mark P. that I know he can distinguish between the two, and probably balance them properly...am only asking...) PS. (For info, the only comments you'll get from my computer are from my and - very occasionally - the missus...although, that could well be ruled to be two people from only one computer) Seems very reasonable.

But…

Is that in your capacity as an independent moderator of the independent LibDem website, LDV?

Or do you have any professional relationship with anyone running the election?

Or both?

(I have enough respect for Mark P. that I know he can distinguish between the two, and probably balance them properly…am only asking…)

PS.

(For info, the only comments you’ll get from my computer are from my and – very occasionally – the missus…although, that could well be ruled to be two people from only one computer)

]]> By: Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66936 Mark Pack Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:35:16 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66936 I've moderated some comments in this thread as it looks like one person, sat at one computer, was pretending to be several different people in order to exaggerate the level of support for one of the candidates in this thread. I’ve moderated some comments in this thread as it looks like one person, sat at one computer, was pretending to be several different people in order to exaggerate the level of support for one of the candidates in this thread.

]]> By: Biscit http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66935 Biscit Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:30:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66935 I was in Sheffield yesterday, and thought Ros came over well there too. Wasn't too enamoured of Lembit, although I liked him- all his jokes fell flat for me. I'm wondering if I'd already made up my mind before hearing the husting. However the one candidate who did go up in my estimation was Chandilla. I won't be voting for him, I don't even think he's the second best candidate, but deeply respect him for coming forward in the way he has done. I was in Sheffield yesterday, and thought Ros came over well there too.

Wasn’t too enamoured of Lembit, although I liked him- all his jokes fell flat for me. I’m wondering if I’d already made up my mind before hearing the husting.

However the one candidate who did go up in my estimation was Chandilla. I won’t be voting for him, I don’t even think he’s the second best candidate, but deeply respect him for coming forward in the way he has done.

]]> By: Biscit http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66933 Biscit Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:23:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66933 I sort of half agree with Richard, there is a lot of stuff expressed with too much vitriol and agression. But I also think that if you take the unnecessary heat away, the points are fair. I sort of half agree with Richard, there is a lot of stuff expressed with too much vitriol and agression.

But I also think that if you take the unnecessary heat away, the points are fair.

]]> By: Serious for our party http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66443 Serious for our party Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:07:07 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66443 Ros "an utterly awful candidate" ! Come off it Jay Entee. How well do you know Ros ? How do you substantiate your "awful" and "disaster "claims ? As far as I'm concerned such claims have no foundation at all. Ros “an utterly awful candidate” ! Come off it Jay Entee. How well do you know Ros ? How do you substantiate your “awful” and “disaster “claims ? As far as I’m concerned such claims have no foundation at all.

]]> By: Jay Entee http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66441 Jay Entee Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:20:44 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66441 I voted for Lembit. Ros Scott would be a disaster for us. An utterly awful candidate IMHO. I voted for Lembit. Ros Scott would be a disaster for us. An utterly awful candidate IMHO.

]]> By: Andi Ali http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66440 Andi Ali Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:41:56 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66440 I'm voting for Lembit. As much as I like Ros, I think Lembit is the best candidate. He's done more than most to promote our party and liberal values. I’m voting for Lembit. As much as I like Ros, I think Lembit is the best candidate. He’s done more than most to promote our party and liberal values.

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66337 Mark Littlewood Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:18:30 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66337 Pretty bizarre - and elliptical - allegation re: Ros. Why not just spell out what your problem is with her? I went to the Liberty Network hustings and saw all three candidates perform. I really can't imagine what you're referring to. On the hustings point though, I think the party should organise a handful of set piece hustings for a contest like this - maybe 4 of so across the country. The problem is that not doing so aids the frontrunner really and - a bit like leadership election hustings - its a good trail by ordeal. Pretty bizarre – and elliptical – allegation re: Ros. Why not just spell out what your problem is with her? I went to the Liberty Network hustings and saw all three candidates perform. I really can’t imagine what you’re referring to.

On the hustings point though, I think the party should organise a handful of set piece hustings for a contest like this – maybe 4 of so across the country.

The problem is that not doing so aids the frontrunner really and – a bit like leadership election hustings – its a good trail by ordeal.

]]> By: Duncan Borrowman http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66331 Duncan Borrowman Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:19:34 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66331 Nor am I "Adrian Pennock", even though my boss owns Ipswich Town and Welling United is in my constituency! Nor am I “Adrian Pennock”, even though my boss owns Ipswich Town and Welling United is in my constituency!

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66330 Hywel Morgan Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:18:22 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66330 Sorry Adrian - you can't just make vague innuendos like that. At least not if you want to be taken vaguely seriously. Lots of people (me included) have met Ros - and long before she thought of running for President. Nothing from meeting her suggested she didn't have the basic competence to be President rather than your suggestion that there is some personality flaw that should rule her out. Sorry Adrian – you can’t just make vague innuendos like that. At least not if you want to be taken vaguely seriously.

Lots of people (me included) have met Ros – and long before she thought of running for President. Nothing from meeting her suggested she didn’t have the basic competence to be President rather than your suggestion that there is some personality flaw that should rule her out.

]]> By: Duncan Borrowman http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66329 Duncan Borrowman Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:11:39 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66329 This is an absolutley outrageous comment. I have met Ros many many times. In one to one situations, groups, with her speaking to rooms full of people, her answering questions etc and not once has anything been of any concern to me. I suggest you say what you mean, or shut up. This is an absolutley outrageous comment. I have met Ros many many times. In one to one situations, groups, with her speaking to rooms full of people, her answering questions etc and not once has anything been of any concern to me. I suggest you say what you mean, or shut up.

]]> By: James Graham http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66328 James Graham Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:11:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66328 (by that I wasn't suggesting that Lembit is "Adrian Pennock" just that this is exactly the sort of thing that Lembit is complaining is being said about him). (by that I wasn’t suggesting that Lembit is “Adrian Pennock” just that this is exactly the sort of thing that Lembit is complaining is being said about him).

]]> By: James Graham http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66327 James Graham Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:10:22 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66327 I for one have met her in person - on several occasions. And she is perfectly engaging and competent. For reference, Lembit, this is what we call a "smear". I for one have met her in person – on several occasions. And she is perfectly engaging and competent.

For reference, Lembit, this is what we call a “smear”.

]]> By: Adrian Pennock http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66326 Adrian Pennock Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:07:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66326 You'll only find out (what it is) when you meet her in person. Otherwise on paper and from what we already know "Ros [is] a member of the House of Lords, former candidate and party spokesperson on various issues. That makes it pretty clear that she passes the threshold of basic capability to be President and represent that party." You’ll only find out (what it is) when you meet her in person. Otherwise on paper and from what we already know “Ros [is] a member of the House of Lords, former candidate and party spokesperson on various issues. That makes it pretty clear that she passes the threshold of basic capability to be President and represent that party.”

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66293 Hywel Morgan Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:00:36 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66293 "that the Baroness ought not to be party president for very obvious reasons which would be exposed in a hustings scenario." That's an allegation/innuendo which needs further explanation. Whether your for or anti Ros she's a member of the House of Lords, former candidate and party spokesperson on various issues. That makes it pretty clear that she passes the threshold of basic capability to be President and represent that party. “that the Baroness ought not to be party president for very obvious reasons which would be exposed in a hustings scenario.”

That’s an allegation/innuendo which needs further explanation.

Whether your for or anti Ros she’s a member of the House of Lords, former candidate and party spokesperson on various issues. That makes it pretty clear that she passes the threshold of basic capability to be President and represent that party.

]]> By: Mark Pack http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66289 Mark Pack Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:04:34 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66289 There haven't been any official 'central' hustings in previous Presidential elections either though this time, as with previous elections, various parts of the party have organised their own. There haven’t been any official ‘central’ hustings in previous Presidential elections either though this time, as with previous elections, various parts of the party have organised their own.

]]> By: Adrian Pennock http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-66230 Adrian Pennock Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:04:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-66230 Lembit's conspiracy angle sits well with the refusal to organise official hustings and let members see for themselves that the Baroness ought not to be party president for very obvious reasons which would be exposed in a hustings scenario. Lembit’s conspiracy angle sits well with the refusal to organise official hustings and let members see for themselves that the Baroness ought not to be party president for very obvious reasons which would be exposed in a hustings scenario.

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-time-for-lib-dems-to-stop-the-conspiracy-against-me-4914.html#comment-65702 Oranjepan Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:20:26 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=4914#comment-65702 Like I said before I'm really enjoying this election - it's just a shame that we can't combine all the strengths of each individual to form an idealised president! Having met two of the candidates yesterday I am reassured we have the talent in our party to make a considerable impression going forward because both made strong cases to me for why I should give them their vote (Lembit's eagerness and enthusiasm was both impressive even if it did take me back a bit!). It was interesting to press them on some these issues and see how they reacted, so ultimately I'm more undecided than I was before! Like I said before I’m really enjoying this election – it’s just a shame that we can’t combine all the strengths of each individual to form an idealised president!

Having met two of the candidates yesterday I am reassured we have the talent in our party to make a considerable impression going forward because both made strong cases to me for why I should give them their vote (Lembit’s eagerness and enthusiasm was both impressive even if it did take me back a bit!).

It was interesting to press them on some these issues and see how they reacted, so ultimately I’m more undecided than I was before!

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