Comments on: Lembit to Ros: “I’m with you all the way” http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:36:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Clegg's Candid Friend http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67722 Clegg's Candid Friend Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:50:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67722 "Lefties"??? I thought "Left" and "Right" didn't exist any more? “Lefties”???

I thought “Left” and “Right” didn’t exist any more?

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67720 Darrell Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:47:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67720 Mark, If you say so ;)...as I said before I am happy to have policy debates with you any time and any place and on any subject... Mark,

If you say so ;) …as I said before I am happy to have policy debates with you any time and any place and on any subject…

]]> By: Geoffrey Payne http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67719 Geoffrey Payne Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:46:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67719 Losing the policy arguments ... you mean like nationalising Northern Rock and supporting better regulation of the City? Great libertarian policies those are. I wonder if LV ever takes over the Lib Dems, and PV take over the Tories, whether there will be any differences between the 2 parties? Not that will ever happen of course. Losing the policy arguments … you mean like nationalising Northern Rock and supporting better regulation of the City? Great libertarian policies those are.
I wonder if LV ever takes over the Lib Dems, and PV take over the Tories, whether there will be any differences between the 2 parties?
Not that will ever happen of course.

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67715 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:40:10 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67715 Well, it's possible, I suppose. But I think whatever LV does it will come into criticism from the lefties. I don't think anyone seriously thinks we're agents of the Tories. It's just a further reflection of how the old-style left has lost/is losing the policy arguments within the party. Well, it’s possible, I suppose.

But I think whatever LV does it will come into criticism from the lefties.

I don’t think anyone seriously thinks we’re agents of the Tories. It’s just a further reflection of how the old-style left has lost/is losing the policy arguments within the party.

]]> By: Clegg's Candid Friend 2 http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67714 Clegg's Candid Friend 2 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:39:46 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67714 Unclean! Unclean! burn him! burn him! Unclean! Unclean! burn him! burn him!

]]> By: Clegg's Candid Friend http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67712 Clegg's Candid Friend Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:35:08 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67712 Surely you can see that if you advertise something as an internal party group, open only to Lib Dem supporters, and it turns out to be owned and funded by an external body, whose director is a member of the Conservative Party, people are bound to be suspicious! Surely you can see that if you advertise something as an internal party group, open only to Lib Dem supporters, and it turns out to be owned and funded by an external body, whose director is a member of the Conservative Party, people are bound to be suspicious!

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67710 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:30:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67710 The "neither" category are knocked out of the process. PV wholly owns LV in the sense that its responsible for its debts. I love the implication that we're entryists or the secret agents of the Tories. Priceless. (the last thing the Tories want is for us to support the cutting of taxes) The “neither” category are knocked out of the process.

PV wholly owns LV in the sense that its responsible for its debts.

I love the implication that we’re entryists or the secret agents of the Tories. Priceless. (the last thing the Tories want is for us to support the cutting of taxes)

]]> By: Clegg's Candid Friend http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67707 Clegg's Candid Friend Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:18:33 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67707 So, just to be clear - Liberal Vision is claimed to be an "internal" party organisation, open only to Lib Dem supporters (though curiously the form labelled "Join as a supporter" on its website has three categories - Lib Dem member, Lib Dem supporter, and "Neither"!). But in fact it's a wholly owned subsidiary of an external body, whose director is a member of the Conservative Party, and who just happens to be the site owner of liberal-vision.org... So, just to be clear – Liberal Vision is claimed to be an “internal” party organisation, open only to Lib Dem supporters (though curiously the form labelled “Join as a supporter” on its website has three categories – Lib Dem member, Lib Dem supporter, and “Neither”!).

But in fact it’s a wholly owned subsidiary of an external body, whose director is a member of the Conservative Party, and who just happens to be the site owner of liberal-vision.org…

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67705 Darrell Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:05:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67705 Mark, Happy to debate politics anytime :), Darrell2 lol wheres number 1 or am i no. 1 and there is no number 0?? am confused... Mark,

Happy to debate politics anytime :) ,

Darrell2

lol wheres number 1 or am i no. 1 and there is no number 0?? am confused…

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67704 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:03:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67704 Darrell2, Noted. But my mother is sick of receiving such letters.... :-) Darrell2,

Noted.

But my mother is sick of receiving such letters….

:-)

]]> By: Darrell2 http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67703 Darrell2 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:01:50 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67703 Comrade Littlewood... It has come to my attention that you have been consorting with notorious Conservatives, libertarians, and assorted 'thinking' types that do not subscribe to Lib Dem Voice and have never delivered any Focus leaflets. This behaviour cannot be tolerated. The Liberal Democrats are a pure unitary church of the centre-left, into which there is simply no room for ideas that could be construed as 'non-centre-leftism'... or even 'economically liberal'... ugh!!! I suggest you desist immediately, or I will be forced to call you a Tory and write to your mother about your neo-Cameroonian floppyhairish-deviancy. I remain of course committed to the liberal pluralism that has made our party great. Comrade Littlewood…

It has come to my attention that you have been consorting with notorious Conservatives, libertarians, and assorted ‘thinking’ types that do not subscribe to Lib Dem Voice and have never delivered any Focus leaflets.

This behaviour cannot be tolerated.

The Liberal Democrats are a pure unitary church of the centre-left, into which there is simply no room for ideas that could be construed as ‘non-centre-leftism’… or even ‘economically liberal’… ugh!!!

I suggest you desist immediately, or I will be forced to call you a Tory and write to your mother about your neo-Cameroonian floppyhairish-deviancy.

I remain of course committed to the liberal pluralism that has made our party great.

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67702 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:59:08 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67702 I just don't know what "strictly speaking kosher" means in this context. It's tiresome that you seem very interested in structures rather than ideas. Mind you, it's a common feature for those who can't actually frame a policy argument to simply accuse their opponents of bad faith. But, anyway, everything's in the public domain on PV and LV's websites. Yawn. I just don’t know what “strictly speaking kosher” means in this context.

It’s tiresome that you seem very interested in structures rather than ideas.

Mind you, it’s a common feature for those who can’t actually frame a policy argument to simply accuse their opponents of bad faith.

But, anyway, everything’s in the public domain on PV and LV’s websites.

Yawn.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67701 Darrell Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:55:08 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67701 Mark, Liberal Vision, Progressive Vision, its all the same thing.... Funny that because ive just been to my blog to read this.... "Well done for exposing Shane Frith's link to the libertarian entryists."... And I have seen various instances of Lib Dem members expressing the same concerns as me...like I said I wonder openly if your organisation is even strictly speaking kosher.... Yes I agree, shame your candidate felt fit to indulge himself in such a closing statement which basically said 'well done but im still right'.... Mark,

Liberal Vision, Progressive Vision, its all the same thing….

Funny that because ive just been to my blog to read this….

“Well done for exposing Shane Frith’s link to the libertarian entryists.”…

And I have seen various instances of Lib Dem members expressing the same concerns as me…like I said I wonder openly if your organisation is even strictly speaking kosher….

Yes I agree, shame your candidate felt fit to indulge himself in such a closing statement which basically said ‘well done but im still right’….

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67700 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:49:51 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67700 Shane registered the website. He doesn't run it. It is editorially controlled by LV. Not exactly Watergate, is it. I rather agree with James. Darrell, you appear to have an obsession with LV that is not shared by most other people, frankly. Time to move on and help Ros be a successful reforming President. Shane registered the website. He doesn’t run it.

It is editorially controlled by LV.

Not exactly Watergate, is it.

I rather agree with James. Darrell, you appear to have an obsession with LV that is not shared by most other people, frankly.

Time to move on and help Ros be a successful reforming President.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67699 Darrell Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:43:49 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67699 Mark, Yes indeed we have...I think the way you handled what I said about the website says it all in droves and i really dont need to say anymore.... Mark,

Yes indeed we have…I think the way you handled what I said about the website says it all in droves and i really dont need to say anymore….

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67698 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:37:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67698 Well, I guess you have the same problem with LDEG and the European Movement. But we've been round this issue a million times. It's all on the link I posted earlier, for anyoen else who shares your particular obsession on this topic. Well, I guess you have the same problem with LDEG and the European Movement. But we’ve been round this issue a million times.

It’s all on the link I posted earlier, for anyoen else who shares your particular obsession on this topic.

]]> By: James Willis http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67697 James Willis Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:36:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67697 Just to put a Lid on this (and to prove we are not bickering and self centred like Torys ) can I suggest we move forward with Ros and encourage her be strong in reprepsenting some home truths to the very top level within our hard working and well meaning party. now lets start doing issues to win votes END. Just to put a Lid on this
(and to prove we are not bickering and self centred like Torys ) can I suggest we move forward with Ros and encourage her be strong in reprepsenting some home truths to the very top level within our hard working and well meaning party.

now lets start doing issues to win votes END.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67696 Darrell Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:29:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67696 Mark, 'Theres nothing loose about the links at all...' Quite right. At last an open admission that Liberal Vision is the transmission belt for the politics of organisations which have links to numerous other political parties... My problem pure and simple is the way you and your organisation do political business...there is nothing honest and upfront about it...your organisation is a front organisation for various other interests who have no interest in furthering the Liberal Democrat party...i also wonder now if you are strictly kosher as per the party rules given the controlling nature of PV which as you openly admit is the vechile for people who are card-carrying members of other parties... Mark,

‘Theres nothing loose about the links at all…’

Quite right. At last an open admission that Liberal Vision is the transmission belt for the politics of organisations which have links to numerous other political parties…

My problem pure and simple is the way you and your organisation do political business…there is nothing honest and upfront about it…your organisation is a front organisation for various other interests who have no interest in furthering the Liberal Democrat party…i also wonder now if you are strictly kosher as per the party rules given the controlling nature of PV which as you openly admit is the vechile for people who are card-carrying members of other parties…

]]> By: Mark Littlewood http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67695 Mark Littlewood Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:20:40 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67695 There's nothing loose about the links at all. The detail is all on the Liberal Vision website. What's your problem exactly? There’s nothing loose about the links at all. The detail is all on the Liberal Vision website.

What’s your problem exactly?

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/lembit-to-ros-im-with-you-all-the-way-5679.html#comment-67694 Darrell Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:18:25 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=5679#comment-67694 Mark, NO2ID isnt a group within a political party that has its own membership, its own candidates etc now is it...it isnt an organisation that is run as the private fifedom of two individuals ... Of course he does....Progressive Vision has claimed that Liberal Vision is *its* campaign group within the Lib Dems...you yourself have a key post within PV....to claim the links are as loose as you are doing is abject rubbish.. Mark,

NO2ID isnt a group within a political party that has its own membership, its own candidates etc now is it…it isnt an organisation that is run as the private fifedom of two individuals …

Of course he does….Progressive Vision has claimed that Liberal Vision is *its* campaign group within the Lib Dems…you yourself have a key post within PV….to claim the links are as loose as you are doing is abject rubbish..

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