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		<title>By: Clegg's Ardent Admirer</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-presidential-contest-result-5642.html#comment-67768</link>
		<dc:creator>Clegg's Ardent Admirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pleased. A bit of gender balance and a victory of excelent campaigning over name recognition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pleased. A bit of gender balance and a victory of excelent campaigning over name recognition.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiyaz Mughal</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-presidential-contest-result-5642.html#comment-67654</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiyaz Mughal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This contest actually shows the power of bloggers and of a well organised campaign that started over 18 months ago. 

Ros will no doubt hit the ground running and I am very pleased to see Lembit&#039;s supportive words, though this is in tune with his style. He is loyal, a true liberal and a man who looks to build up people. Well done Ros and hope that you continue to wow us as much as your campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This contest actually shows the power of bloggers and of a well organised campaign that started over 18 months ago. </p>
<p>Ros will no doubt hit the ground running and I am very pleased to see Lembit&#8217;s supportive words, though this is in tune with his style. He is loyal, a true liberal and a man who looks to build up people. Well done Ros and hope that you continue to wow us as much as your campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabi Martins</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-presidential-contest-result-5642.html#comment-67650</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabi Martins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandila - The strength of our Party is it is truly democratic - Any member can run for any office

You were right to use the campaign to raise your profile. 

We need more talented BME individuals to come out and demonstrate that there is untapped talent out there which the Party must embrace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chandila &#8211; The strength of our Party is it is truly democratic &#8211; Any member can run for any office</p>
<p>You were right to use the campaign to raise your profile. </p>
<p>We need more talented BME individuals to come out and demonstrate that there is untapped talent out there which the Party must embrace</p>
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		<title>By: Chandila Fernando</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chandila Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 01:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope by running in the contest it will enable other people in the future to do the same and champion causes which they passionately believe in. It has been an exciting and very illuminating experience. I hope to keep campaigning for the issues in my manifesto and wish Ros every success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope by running in the contest it will enable other people in the future to do the same and champion causes which they passionately believe in. It has been an exciting and very illuminating experience. I hope to keep campaigning for the issues in my manifesto and wish Ros every success.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-presidential-contest-result-5642.html#comment-67613</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can someone tell me why everyone was so pro-Ros?&quot;

I can&#039;t speak for anyone else, but before any of the other candidates even declared I was pro-Ros. She&#039;s an excellent orator; her blog is well-written and full of interesting procedural stuff (and I&#039;m a procedure geek, and think an understanding of this sort of thing is important in a president); Mark (famously) liked the candidate so much that he married her, and I trust his judgement... So by the time I actually met her, I had already formed a very positive impression, which was only reinforced by the lady herself. She&#039;s is incredibly sharp and on the ball when she&#039;s in the thick of a debate, and she&#039;s very witty and personable in general conversation.

And she also gave my other verbal assurances that she wouldn&#039;t be backwards about telling the leader and Chris Rennard if she thought they were heading off down a blind alley. From a campaign perspective this is very necessary. Nobody, not even Chris Rennard, is perfect enough to have all the answers all the time.

So basically, she&#039;s someone with a broad and deep understanding of procedure that is easy for people to get on with, and she&#039;s got balls and judgement. I&#039;d already decided that she was a candidate worth supporting well before conference.

I suppose if either of the other two had been utterly stellar, I might have switched sides, but I don&#039;t believe that either of them had all Ros&#039;s positives, and both of them had significant negatives. So I stuck with my first choice.

Is that a helpful answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can someone tell me why everyone was so pro-Ros?&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for anyone else, but before any of the other candidates even declared I was pro-Ros. She&#8217;s an excellent orator; her blog is well-written and full of interesting procedural stuff (and I&#8217;m a procedure geek, and think an understanding of this sort of thing is important in a president); Mark (famously) liked the candidate so much that he married her, and I trust his judgement&#8230; So by the time I actually met her, I had already formed a very positive impression, which was only reinforced by the lady herself. She&#8217;s is incredibly sharp and on the ball when she&#8217;s in the thick of a debate, and she&#8217;s very witty and personable in general conversation.</p>
<p>And she also gave my other verbal assurances that she wouldn&#8217;t be backwards about telling the leader and Chris Rennard if she thought they were heading off down a blind alley. From a campaign perspective this is very necessary. Nobody, not even Chris Rennard, is perfect enough to have all the answers all the time.</p>
<p>So basically, she&#8217;s someone with a broad and deep understanding of procedure that is easy for people to get on with, and she&#8217;s got balls and judgement. I&#8217;d already decided that she was a candidate worth supporting well before conference.</p>
<p>I suppose if either of the other two had been utterly stellar, I might have switched sides, but I don&#8217;t believe that either of them had all Ros&#8217;s positives, and both of them had significant negatives. So I stuck with my first choice.</p>
<p>Is that a helpful answer?</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon@ 1109pm.

I suspect a combination of three main factors, and I reckon most were swayed by two out of three, but not the same two each time:

1) She&#039;s a bloody good candidate, obviously competent and switched on (as is her husband who she met through the party).

2) She ran a damn fine campaign, mobilising activists and supporters effectively through the internet with a strong grasp of the issues and understanding of what the President should be doing effectively.

3) She&#039;s Not Lembit. A large number of people were specifically against him winning, for a variety of reasons most of which have been covered but I mostly disagree with.  That she was also competent in her own right made it a lot easier for people who had this as top priority.

But I personally backed her because of 1) &amp; 2), 3) was an added bonus--I like Lembit and think he&#039;d have been acceptable, but not what we really needed. Added bonus of the endorsement of the person I got on with most at my first two London lib dem social events after I moved there. He went on to marry her, which was possibly the best endorsement possible IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon@ 1109pm.</p>
<p>I suspect a combination of three main factors, and I reckon most were swayed by two out of three, but not the same two each time:</p>
<p>1) She&#8217;s a bloody good candidate, obviously competent and switched on (as is her husband who she met through the party).</p>
<p>2) She ran a damn fine campaign, mobilising activists and supporters effectively through the internet with a strong grasp of the issues and understanding of what the President should be doing effectively.</p>
<p>3) She&#8217;s Not Lembit. A large number of people were specifically against him winning, for a variety of reasons most of which have been covered but I mostly disagree with.  That she was also competent in her own right made it a lot easier for people who had this as top priority.</p>
<p>But I personally backed her because of 1) &amp; 2), 3) was an added bonus&#8211;I like Lembit and think he&#8217;d have been acceptable, but not what we really needed. Added bonus of the endorsement of the person I got on with most at my first two London lib dem social events after I moved there. He went on to marry her, which was possibly the best endorsement possible IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone tell me why everyone was so pro-Ros? I voted for her, so I am not an anti. I am just curious as to why everyone was so 4 Ros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me why everyone was so pro-Ros? I voted for her, so I am not an anti. I am just curious as to why everyone was so 4 Ros.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Page</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-presidential-contest-result-5642.html#comment-67599</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lembit has had a wretched two years, lived in the full glare of the media. His defeat is therefore perhaps not such a surprise. The fact that this is being presented as his defeat, rather than Ros Scott&#039;s victory, reflects the desire of newseditors to re-run photos of Lembit with Sian Lloyd or Gabriella &#039;in happier times&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lembit has had a wretched two years, lived in the full glare of the media. His defeat is therefore perhaps not such a surprise. The fact that this is being presented as his defeat, rather than Ros Scott&#8217;s victory, reflects the desire of newseditors to re-run photos of Lembit with Sian Lloyd or Gabriella &#8216;in happier times&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I strongly suspect so--he pretty much admitted that he wasn&#039;t expecting or even really hoping to win, he ran to get a point across, and to give him credit, I think he did that well, highlighting a few issues that weren&#039;t in the other two campaigns that would be worthy of further discussion.

There is a little bit of me that suspects he was partially a spoiler for Lembit, a preferential system can sometimes benefit from an extra candidate, it certainly made the contest (and hustings) more interesting.

Neil, you say &#039;bloggers&#039; should restrict themselves.  Two points, one is that Liam isn&#039;t, to my knowledge, a blogger: there&#039;s no link with his name nor is he listed on Lib Dem Blogs.  Thus he is a commenter on a blog, but not himself a blogger as that requires having a blog by definition (Liam, if you want help setting one up, y&#039;know, always happy to oblige...).

Second is that I don&#039;t like the idea of restricting anyone--I&#039;m a liberal, damnit. I&#039;ve heard similar comments froma  number of members, and one membership secretary of my acquaintance was specifically backing Ros as the resignations expected in certain areas if Lembit won would hurt the party.

Personally, I would&#039;ve been happy if he won, he&#039;s a bloody good campaigner.  But I&#039;m absolutely ecstatic that Ros has won, she&#039;s both a good campaigner and has a real handle on what the party needs from the President.

Plus she was brilliant on Any Questions last night, we need more media performers able to take the fight back and get good points across.

Yay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I strongly suspect so&#8211;he pretty much admitted that he wasn&#8217;t expecting or even really hoping to win, he ran to get a point across, and to give him credit, I think he did that well, highlighting a few issues that weren&#8217;t in the other two campaigns that would be worthy of further discussion.</p>
<p>There is a little bit of me that suspects he was partially a spoiler for Lembit, a preferential system can sometimes benefit from an extra candidate, it certainly made the contest (and hustings) more interesting.</p>
<p>Neil, you say &#8216;bloggers&#8217; should restrict themselves.  Two points, one is that Liam isn&#8217;t, to my knowledge, a blogger: there&#8217;s no link with his name nor is he listed on Lib Dem Blogs.  Thus he is a commenter on a blog, but not himself a blogger as that requires having a blog by definition (Liam, if you want help setting one up, y&#8217;know, always happy to oblige&#8230;).</p>
<p>Second is that I don&#8217;t like the idea of restricting anyone&#8211;I&#8217;m a liberal, damnit. I&#8217;ve heard similar comments froma  number of members, and one membership secretary of my acquaintance was specifically backing Ros as the resignations expected in certain areas if Lembit won would hurt the party.</p>
<p>Personally, I would&#8217;ve been happy if he won, he&#8217;s a bloody good campaigner.  But I&#8217;m absolutely ecstatic that Ros has won, she&#8217;s both a good campaigner and has a real handle on what the party needs from the President.</p>
<p>Plus she was brilliant on Any Questions last night, we need more media performers able to take the fight back and get good points across.</p>
<p>Yay!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Harding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Harding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So are we ever going to see Chandila again?</description>
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		<title>By: TimberWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimberWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Liberal Democrat election victory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Liberal Democrat election victory!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bore. Another personality buried and more middle-managers trying to run a national political party. I despair of this party sometimes. 

Still, perhaps we will see differently coloured envelopes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bore. Another personality buried and more middle-managers trying to run a national political party. I despair of this party sometimes. </p>
<p>Still, perhaps we will see differently coloured envelopes?</p>
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		<title>By: dreamingspire</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreamingspire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations to Ros.
4.45pm: Sky News shows shots of Lembit and talks about him. Only mentions Ros as an afterthought, so time to give them a lesson in reality, Ros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations to Ros.<br />
4.45pm: Sky News shows shots of Lembit and talks about him. Only mentions Ros as an afterthought, so time to give them a lesson in reality, Ros.</p>
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		<title>By: Rabi Martins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabi Martins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good news for the Party indeed. Her election begins to address our poor record on gender balance in Parliament and other structures 

We now need her to use her power and influence to reduce the gender gap even more and also inject real urgency in doing something about the BME balance in Parliament and other structures

And I would also like to pay tribute to Lembit and Chandila for giving us a real choice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news for the Party indeed. Her election begins to address our poor record on gender balance in Parliament and other structures </p>
<p>We now need her to use her power and influence to reduce the gender gap even more and also inject real urgency in doing something about the BME balance in Parliament and other structures</p>
<p>And I would also like to pay tribute to Lembit and Chandila for giving us a real choice</p>
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		<title>By: David from Ealing</title>
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		<dc:creator>David from Ealing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good result, but a very disappointing turnout.</description>
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		<title>By: crewegwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>crewegwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My take on all this is that we have a very sophisticated electorate within the party.  There were plenty of people on right-leaning blogs predicting a Lembit win on the basis of the contest being &quot;Opik, who or who?&quot;.

I&#039;ve been struck by the number of members who were not &quot;inside the party machinery&quot; who still voted for Ros on the basis of her manifesto.

Pats on the back all round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on all this is that we have a very sophisticated electorate within the party.  There were plenty of people on right-leaning blogs predicting a Lembit win on the basis of the contest being &#8220;Opik, who or who?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been struck by the number of members who were not &#8220;inside the party machinery&#8221; who still voted for Ros on the basis of her manifesto.</p>
<p>Pats on the back all round.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Bradbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Bradbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done to Ros and her campaign. Now can people get off Lembits back? Liam, that is a disgraceful comment. Lembit is a hard working Liberal Democrat and an instinctive Liberal. Perhaps bloggers can restrict themselves to praising Ros rather than enjoying Lembits loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done to Ros and her campaign. Now can people get off Lembits back? Liam, that is a disgraceful comment. Lembit is a hard working Liberal Democrat and an instinctive Liberal. Perhaps bloggers can restrict themselves to praising Ros rather than enjoying Lembits loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Ashton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many congratulations to Ros, who I&#039;m sure will make an excellent President.

On a lighter note - the result represents a swing of 4.3% against Lembit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many congratulations to Ros, who I&#8217;m sure will make an excellent President.</p>
<p>On a lighter note &#8211; the result represents a swing of 4.3% against Lembit.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Pennington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam Pennington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank God for that. I could not have continued as a member under Lembit. Well done Ros :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank God for that. I could not have continued as a member under Lembit. Well done Ros <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Simon Titley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Titley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So that&#039;s just 6% for Liberal Vision and 22% for Liberal Derision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So that&#8217;s just 6% for Liberal Vision and 22% for Liberal Derision.</p>
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