Comments on: Lord Pearson as a Tory party whip and Griffin v. Maloney http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:07:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: custom koozies http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103468 custom koozies Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:18:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103468 Conservatives are still conservatives." Actually, they are not. Not in Canada, not in the US, and not in Britain. Tim is absolutely correct. This is a very good analysis by Publius. Conservatives are still conservatives.”

Actually, they are not. Not in Canada, not in the US, and not in Britain.
Tim is absolutely correct. This is a very good analysis by Publius.

]]> By: Stephen Gash http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103267 Stephen Gash Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:48:07 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103267 Liberal Democrats. Never has a party been more misnamed. Was it the Liberal Democrats that produced a phoney Plaid Cymru website during Welsh Assembly elections? Isn't it the Liberal Democrats that is helping Labour force regions upon the English despite fierce opposition to them? You accuse the English Democrats of small-mindedness, but the Lib Dems are not big minded-enough to actually give the English what they want or to give them a referendum on how they want England to be governed. The Lib Dems believe in local government provided that government is local to Brussels. Liberal Democrats. Never has a party been more misnamed.

Was it the Liberal Democrats that produced a phoney Plaid Cymru website during Welsh Assembly elections?

Isn’t it the Liberal Democrats that is helping Labour force regions upon the English despite fierce opposition to them?

You accuse the English Democrats of small-mindedness, but the Lib Dems are not big minded-enough to actually give the English what they want or to give them a referendum on how they want England to be governed.

The Lib Dems believe in local government provided that government is local to Brussels.

]]> By: Peter Laubach http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103244 Peter Laubach Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:35:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103244 "The Libdems are given a huge platform by the media" - MH. I WISH!!!!!! Howeve, I'm all in favour of UKIP - there must be seats where they will take enough votes from " Call-me-Dave "'s candidates to enable us to win/keep the seat! “The Libdems are given a huge platform by the media” – MH.
I WISH!!!!!!
Howeve, I’m all in favour of UKIP – there must be seats where they will take enough votes from ” Call-me-Dave “‘s candidates to enable us to win/keep the seat!

]]> By: Mouse http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103242 Mouse Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:45:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103242 The satire of having an unelected Lord as the leader of UKIP, allegedly dedicated to fighting unelected bureaucrats in Brussels is marvellous. The great thing about Liberalism is that evolves - as a Liberal, Gladstone would not have wanted people to pursue Gladstonian Liberalism 120 years past it sell by date. Nationalism on the other hand is entirely regressive. United Kingdom Independence Party - based on the idea that countries should remain sovereign - believes in a pan-British super state covering England, Scotland, Wales, North Ireland, Isle of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey. English Democrats - much the same as UKIP except without the Scotland, Wales and North Ireland bit SNP - Much the same as UKIP accept even more small minded Plaid Cymru - Sort of Nationalism without conviction Wessex Regionalist - there was no referendum on the merger with Mercia. Mebyon Kernow not to be confused with the other Cornish Nationalist Party who split from Mebyon Kernow in 1975. The Cornish National Liberation Army was a militant Cornish nationalist organisation that has threatened to carry out acts of vandalism and arson against commercial targets that it considers to be 'English'. The Peoples Popular Front for the Liberation of Cornwall - splitters Keep Bodmin people out of Penzance - you can bet it's out there. The satire of having an unelected Lord as the leader of UKIP, allegedly dedicated to fighting unelected bureaucrats in Brussels is marvellous.

The great thing about Liberalism is that evolves – as a Liberal, Gladstone would not have wanted people to pursue Gladstonian Liberalism 120 years past it sell by date. Nationalism on the other hand is entirely regressive.

United Kingdom Independence Party – based on the idea that countries should remain sovereign – believes in a pan-British super state covering England, Scotland, Wales, North Ireland, Isle of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey.

English Democrats – much the same as UKIP except without the Scotland, Wales and North Ireland bit
SNP – Much the same as UKIP accept even more small minded
Plaid Cymru – Sort of Nationalism without conviction
Wessex Regionalist – there was no referendum on the merger with Mercia.
Mebyon Kernow not to be confused with the other Cornish Nationalist Party who split from Mebyon Kernow in 1975.
The Cornish National Liberation Army was a militant Cornish nationalist organisation that has threatened to carry out acts of vandalism and arson against commercial targets that it considers to be ‘English’.
The Peoples Popular Front for the Liberation of Cornwall – splitters
Keep Bodmin people out of Penzance – you can bet it’s out there.

]]> By: Harry http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103236 Harry Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:09:20 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103236 Gladstonian Liberal? If you think that UKIP is the heir of Gladstone, you really need to look at history. Gladstone was a determined internationalist with a keen interest in other countries and european co-operation. Gladstonian Liberal? If you think that UKIP is the heir of Gladstone, you really need to look at history. Gladstone was a determined internationalist with a keen interest in other countries and european co-operation.

]]> By: crewegwyn http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103224 crewegwyn Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:00:44 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103224 A Gladstonian Liberal writes : Michael Heaver, If you think the GOM would have supported UKIP you have a very sketchy grasp of history. Try reading a good biography of the man. A Gladstonian Liberal writes :

Michael Heaver,

If you think the GOM would have supported UKIP you have a very sketchy grasp of history. Try reading a good biography of the man.

]]> By: tonyhill http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103220 tonyhill Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:52:32 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103220 OK, I'm going blind. OK, I’m going blind.

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103219 Hywel Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:11:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103219 Ironically Griffin was a boxing blue at Cambridge Ironically Griffin was a boxing blue at Cambridge

]]> By: Paul Wiffen http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103218 Paul Wiffen Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:07:10 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103218 Reports of my threatened resignation have been much exaggerated. I have not now or ever threatened to resign. In fact I have spent the last week persuading members not to resign successfully with the avalance of Tory voters we have had joining the party. The Barking PPC was put to a vote of the London Regional Committee and both Winston and I are abiding by that democratic decision. I am actually going to be Frank Maloney's agent and stand in the nearby constituency of Ilford South where I live. We are finalizing the seat in outh London where Winston Mackenzie is going to stand. Still can't expect a Lib Dem to bother checking their facts even if they share a meaningless title with Baroness Ashton CND PS Simon, Tingle keeps standing in the wrong place in Wroxham. If he stood in his home ward like I am standing in my home constituency, he would romp home! Reports of my threatened resignation have been much exaggerated. I have not now or ever threatened to resign. In fact I have spent the last week persuading members not to resign successfully with the avalance of Tory voters we have had joining the party.

The Barking PPC was put to a vote of the London Regional Committee and both Winston and I are abiding by that democratic decision. I am actually going to be Frank Maloney’s agent and stand in the nearby constituency of Ilford South where I live. We are finalizing the seat in outh London where Winston Mackenzie is going to stand.

Still can’t expect a Lib Dem to bother checking their facts even if they share a meaningless title with Baroness Ashton CND

PS Simon, Tingle keeps standing in the wrong place in Wroxham. If he stood in his home ward like I am standing in my home constituency, he would romp home!

]]> By: tony hill http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103217 tony hill Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:25:11 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103217 Unless I'm going blind Sarah Ludford is not mentioned in the story anyway, As usual Farage is full of bluster. UKIP are not going to win a single seat at the next general election, let alone 50. However, Michael Heaver is right to point out that they have a potential appeal to a significant section of the population (though I'm not sure that there are many Gladstonian Liberals around these days!), and it seems clear to me that they do pose a serious threat in the longer term to the coalition that is the Conservative Party. A by-election in a favourable seat a couple of years into a Conservative government as devoid of ideas as the next one looks to being could well see a splintering of the Conservative vote and, if they had a decent candidate, a UKIP victory. That could lead to mass defections of councillors and local activists and a serious weakening of the Conservative Party in areas where, even during the disastrous years of the 90s, they managed to keep the flag flying. Unless I’m going blind Sarah Ludford is not mentioned in the story anyway,
As usual Farage is full of bluster. UKIP are not going to win a single seat at the next general election, let alone 50. However, Michael Heaver is right to point out that they have a potential appeal to a significant section of the population (though I’m not sure that there are many Gladstonian Liberals around these days!), and it seems clear to me that they do pose a serious threat in the longer term to the coalition that is the Conservative Party. A by-election in a favourable seat a couple of years into a Conservative government as devoid of ideas as the next one looks to being could well see a splintering of the Conservative vote and, if they had a decent candidate, a UKIP victory. That could lead to mass defections of councillors and local activists and a serious weakening of the Conservative Party in areas where, even during the disastrous years of the 90s, they managed to keep the flag flying.

]]> By: Simon http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103215 Simon Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:44:16 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103215 Michael was Norwich North a sign of things to come or a flashin the pan? Glenn Tingle didn't exaclt get a stunning result when he stood in the district council by-election in Wroxham two months latter. Michael was Norwich North a sign of things to come or a flashin the pan? Glenn Tingle didn’t exaclt get a stunning result when he stood in the district council by-election in Wroxham two months latter.

]]> By: Grammar Police http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103212 Grammar Police Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:06:40 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103212 Michael, I think you should look at the opinion polls. UKIP did well at the 2004 Euro elections and came nowhere in the 2005 GE. You did well in the 2009 Euro elections, but you'll have a minimal effect on the 2010 GE. Indeed, if your leaders get their own way, you won't even be running any candidates at all! Michael, I think you should look at the opinion polls. UKIP did well at the 2004 Euro elections and came nowhere in the 2005 GE. You did well in the 2009 Euro elections, but you’ll have a minimal effect on the 2010 GE. Indeed, if your leaders get their own way, you won’t even be running any candidates at all!

]]> By: Chris http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103205 Chris Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:45:45 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103205 Weird responses. @Keith - I'm sure the lady knows her own name. It's fairly well known that it's Sarah. Is there something wrong with being called Sarah? @Michael Heaver - 'totally non-racist' - yeah right. Weird responses. @Keith – I’m sure the lady knows her own name. It’s fairly well known that it’s Sarah. Is there something wrong with being called Sarah? @Michael Heaver – ‘totally non-racist’ – yeah right.

]]> By: Michael Heaver http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103202 Michael Heaver Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:29:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103202 Pathetic. Thank God UKIP are there to stop Nazi Nick and his pals by talking about issues like uncontrolled immigration from within EU member states which discriminates against those from outside who want to contribute to our country, in a totally non-racist manner. The LibDems are given a huge platform by the media but don't offer any real opposition which is why the UKIP will be mopping up votes from Gladstonian-mould liberals at the next General Election, as well as Old Labour voters and small-c conservative Tories. Norwich North was a sign of things to come. We are snapping at your heels. Pathetic. Thank God UKIP are there to stop Nazi Nick and his pals by talking about issues like uncontrolled immigration from within EU member states which discriminates against those from outside who want to contribute to our country, in a totally non-racist manner.

The LibDems are given a huge platform by the media but don’t offer any real opposition which is why the UKIP will be mopping up votes from Gladstonian-mould liberals at the next General Election, as well as Old Labour voters and small-c conservative Tories. Norwich North was a sign of things to come. We are snapping at your heels.

]]> By: Keith http://www.libdemvoice.org/lord-pearson-as-a-tory-party-whip-and-griffin-v-maloney-17114.html#comment-103201 Keith Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:26:18 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17114#comment-103201 You means Baroness Ludford. The 'Sarah' isn't appropriate here. You means Baroness Ludford. The ‘Sarah’ isn’t appropriate here.

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