Comments on: Ming’s behind-the-scenes account of CK’s downfall http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:36:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Inspirational Bible Verses http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-66886 Inspirational Bible Verses Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:12:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-66886 Superior post.Preserve the smashing work,You must definitely have to keep updating your site Superior post.Preserve the smashing work,You must definitely have to keep updating your site

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-41093 Hywel Morgan Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:47:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-41093 "but we have to reach out to all media organisations, even ones whose editorial lines we often vehemently oppose." But there's a difference between sending press releases and accrediting journalists for conference and selling them exclusive rights to a book. On the theory that more Lib Dems read the Mail than any other paper, the second most read paper by Lib Dems is the Sun - does that mean a section of our vote is 99% in favour of restoring the death penalty. “but we have to reach out to all media organisations, even ones whose editorial lines we often vehemently oppose.”

But there’s a difference between sending press releases and accrediting journalists for conference and selling them exclusive rights to a book.

On the theory that more Lib Dems read the Mail than any other paper, the second most read paper by Lib Dems is the Sun – does that mean a section of our vote is 99% in favour of restoring the death penalty.

]]> By: Olly K http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-41056 Olly K Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:07:59 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-41056 @ Hywel Morgan: "We want less Lib Dem voters to be reading the Mail" i sort of agree. but we have to reach out to all media organisations, even ones whose editorial lines we often vehemently oppose. i'd rather be getting more LD stories (though, ming's serialisation is hardly the ideal sort of write up we're looking for) in the Mail than weening lib dems off it. @ Hywel Morgan:
“We want less Lib Dem voters to be reading the Mail” i sort of agree. but we have to reach out to all media organisations, even ones whose editorial lines we often vehemently oppose. i’d rather be getting more LD stories (though, ming’s serialisation is hardly the ideal sort of write up we’re looking for) in the Mail than weening lib dems off it.

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40955 Hywel Morgan Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:20:18 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40955 "better have it in the Mail than merely having them quote choice attack extracts all the time." You reckon they won't do that anyway? I await the Mail's serialisation of the chpater entitled "why I was right to stand up for basic human rights for Asylum Seekers. We want less Lib Dem voters to be reading the Mail - not getting more of them to pick it up because Ming is on the masthead. “better have it in the Mail than merely having them quote choice attack extracts all the time.”

You reckon they won’t do that anyway? I await the Mail’s serialisation of the chpater entitled “why I was right to stand up for basic human rights for Asylum Seekers.

We want less Lib Dem voters to be reading the Mail – not getting more of them to pick it up because Ming is on the masthead.

]]> By: Geoffrey Payne http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40951 Geoffrey Payne Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:41:30 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40951 The point is not that we ignore the Daily Mail, it is that we should not give them our dirty washing. They are not our friends. The point is not that we ignore the Daily Mail, it is that we should not give them our dirty washing.
They are not our friends.

]]> By: Anders Hanson http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40938 Anders Hanson Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:05:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40938 I agree with Peter on this one. The Daily Mail is one of the biggest newspapers in the country and so we cannot afford to just ignore it and hope it goes away. If Ming's aim is to get his views out to a large group of people who wouldn't normally read anything the party says, then he has probably picked the right paper to do it. I agree with Peter on this one.

The Daily Mail is one of the biggest newspapers in the country and so we cannot afford to just ignore it and hope it goes away. If Ming’s aim is to get his views out to a large group of people who wouldn’t normally read anything the party says, then he has probably picked the right paper to do it.

]]> By: asquith http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40936 asquith Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:09:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40936 My mum reads the Daily Mail, and she's voted Labour all her life. I'm amazed at the fact that she reads it, but remains totally oblivious to its worldview. If someone in the pub came up to her and expressed those views she'd slap him, but she quite merrily reads the reactionary rubbish every day. Curious! :) My mum reads the Daily Mail, and she’s voted Labour all her life. I’m amazed at the fact that she reads it, but remains totally oblivious to its worldview. If someone in the pub came up to her and expressed those views she’d slap him, but she quite merrily reads the reactionary rubbish every day. Curious! :)

]]> By: Jo http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40924 Jo Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:27:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40924 That's probably true but then an awful lot of bigotted tories do too...and that's all they probably read Lib Dem wise for the whole year... That’s probably true but then an awful lot of bigotted tories do too…and that’s all they probably read Lib Dem wise for the whole year…

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40921 Anonymous Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:46:29 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40921 Isnt it true that the Mail is the most read paper amongst Lib Dems (voters I guess that is) Isnt it true that the Mail is the most read paper amongst Lib Dems (voters I guess that is)

]]> By: MatGB http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40918 MatGB Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:46:46 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40918 Hmm, why could Ming possibly have chosen the biggest non-redtop paper to serialise his book in? Maybe they offered him more money? He never got the Cabinet role he should've got and the pension that would bring, his MPs pension is way below that he could've got if he'd stayed as a senior QC or gone on to be a judge, why shouldn't he do the best he can now, when there's money to be made? Better now than before the next GE, and better have it in the Mail than merely having them quote choice attack extracts all the time. The Mail may be scum of the earth as far as papers are concerned, but Mail readers aren't. Some of my best friends are Daily Mail readers, and many of them vote for us. Hmm, why could Ming possibly have chosen the biggest non-redtop paper to serialise his book in? Maybe they offered him more money?

He never got the Cabinet role he should’ve got and the pension that would bring, his MPs pension is way below that he could’ve got if he’d stayed as a senior QC or gone on to be a judge, why shouldn’t he do the best he can now, when there’s money to be made?

Better now than before the next GE, and better have it in the Mail than merely having them quote choice attack extracts all the time.

The Mail may be scum of the earth as far as papers are concerned, but Mail readers aren’t. Some of my best friends are Daily Mail readers, and many of them vote for us.

]]> By: Peter Dunphy http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40916 Peter Dunphy Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:57:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40916 At least by serialising in the Mail it means that there is some control over what comes out. This is better than serialisation in a worthy newspaper that very few people read and a hatchet job by the papers that people do read (e.g. the Mail). Interestingly because the circulation of the Mail is so ahead of the Guardian or Independent it is true to say that more Lib Dems read the Mail then any other paper. However I think the timing of this is too soon. At least by serialising in the Mail it means that there is some control over what comes out. This is better than serialisation in a worthy newspaper that very few people read and a hatchet job by the papers that people do read (e.g. the Mail). Interestingly because the circulation of the Mail is so ahead of the Guardian or Independent it is true to say that more Lib Dems read the Mail then any other paper. However I think the timing of this is too soon.

]]> By: boldkevin http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40915 boldkevin Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:10:59 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40915 Read it in the Mail and donate the cost of the book to the Lib Dems. Read it in the Mail and donate the cost of the book to the Lib Dems.

]]> By: Terry Gilbert http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40907 Terry Gilbert Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:41:13 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40907 As a Liverpool supporter for 33 years, and a Lib Dem for 24 years, I think Souness was the bigger villain! But seriously, it does seem a strange place to serialise, unless it was about the size of the cheque. I was disturbed to hear one Lib Dem MP of my acquaintance explaining an apparantly particularly right wing speech by a collegue could be explained by the need to 'throw a bit of red meat to the Mail'. As a Liverpool supporter for 33 years, and a Lib Dem for 24 years, I think Souness was the bigger villain!
But seriously, it does seem a strange place to serialise, unless it was about the size of the cheque.
I was disturbed to hear one Lib Dem MP of my acquaintance explaining an apparantly particularly right wing speech by a collegue could be explained by the need to ‘throw a bit of red meat to the Mail’.

]]> By: Geoffrey Payne http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40906 Geoffrey Payne Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:36:13 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40906 That last sentence - I would like to edit it to clarify that "their" refers to the Parliamentary party. That last sentence – I would like to edit it to clarify that “their” refers to the Parliamentary party.

]]> By: Geoffrey Payne http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40905 Geoffrey Payne Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:34:29 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40905 I was opposed to Ming Campbell being leader of the party, and when under his leadership the party was going backwards, I wrote him a letter asking him to resign. When he finally did resign, I respected him for putting the interests of the Liberal Democrats first. I imagined that was one thing he would always do. However when it comes to serialising his book in the Daily Mail, I cannot see how this is in the interests of the Liberal Democrats. The Guardian or Independent would be understandable, but I am disappointed he chose the Mail. What was he thinking of? The best post war leader of the party was Jo Grimond, and I would put Charles Kennedy second. But there was very good evidence that he suffered an alcohol addiction, and I believe that impeded his ability to do his job, and for that reason the Parliamentary party was right to oust him. Unfortunately there was no nice way of doing this, and in the future that ought to change so that there is. A lot of members feel aggrieved about that, and at least this account puts their side of the story, something I think members should be aware of. I was opposed to Ming Campbell being leader of the party, and when under his leadership the party was going backwards, I wrote him a letter asking him to resign.
When he finally did resign, I respected him for putting the interests of the Liberal Democrats first.
I imagined that was one thing he would always do.
However when it comes to serialising his book in the Daily Mail, I cannot see how this is in the interests of the Liberal Democrats. The Guardian or Independent would be understandable, but I am disappointed he chose the Mail. What was he thinking of?
The best post war leader of the party was Jo Grimond, and I would put Charles Kennedy second. But there was very good evidence that he suffered an alcohol addiction, and I believe that impeded his ability to do his job, and for that reason the Parliamentary party was right to oust him. Unfortunately there was no nice way of doing this, and in the future that ought to change so that there is.
A lot of members feel aggrieved about that, and at least this account puts their side of the story, something I think members should be aware of.

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40901 Hywel Morgan Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:28:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40901 "Because hundreds of thousands of Liberal Democrat voters read it." And I'm sure they'll be impressed by the non-sensationalist and supportive way in which the Mail will serialise this book. In any case surely the market would be people who might vote for us rather than current supporters. This feels like the liberal equivalent of Graeme Souness' interview in the Sun. “Because hundreds of thousands of Liberal Democrat voters read it.”

And I’m sure they’ll be impressed by the non-sensationalist and supportive way in which the Mail will serialise this book. In any case surely the market would be people who might vote for us rather than current supporters.

This feels like the liberal equivalent of Graeme Souness’ interview in the Sun.

]]> By: Jo http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40900 Jo Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:04:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40900 They offered the most money? They offered the most money?

]]> By: Dan http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40876 Dan Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:14:53 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40876 Because hundreds of thousands of Liberal Democrat voters read it. Because hundreds of thousands of Liberal Democrat voters read it.

]]> By: Ann-Marie http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40874 Ann-Marie Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:08:54 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40874 Why the !!!! is Ming's book being serialised in the Daily Mail. Why the !!!! is Ming’s book being serialised in the Daily Mail.

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40873 Laurence Boyce Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:56:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/mings-behindthescenes-account-of-cks-downfall-2221.html#comment-40873 I think I'd rather read the Bible. I think I’d rather read the Bible.

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