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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC isn&#039;t being that fair... apparently if the Tories perform tonight as well as their recent poll ratings (i.e. in the low 40s) then that&#039;s a good result for them; LibDems however need to score 10% higher than our recent poll ratings to have a good night. How did they work that one out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC isn&#8217;t being that fair&#8230; apparently if the Tories perform tonight as well as their recent poll ratings (i.e. in the low 40s) then that&#8217;s a good result for them; LibDems however need to score 10% higher than our recent poll ratings to have a good night. How did they work that one out?</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - +5 (some of the predictions here are a bit unrealistic given that a chunk of the seats won in 2004 aren&#039;t up for election as the mets were all up then - the overall no of seats mitigate against big losses

2.
Lab Share - 26
Con Share - 39
LD Share - 25

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 38
Borris 1st Pref - 37
Brian 1st Pref - 9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; +5 (some of the predictions here are a bit unrealistic given that a chunk of the seats won in 2004 aren&#8217;t up for election as the mets were all up then &#8211; the overall no of seats mitigate against big losses</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 26<br />
Con Share &#8211; 39<br />
LD Share &#8211; 25</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 38<br />
Borris 1st Pref &#8211; 37<br />
Brian 1st Pref &#8211; 9</p>
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		<title>By: theChristophe</title>
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		<dc:creator>theChristophe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. How many Council seats do you think the Lib Dems will gain or lose on 1st May? (This is net seats as recorded by the BBC website at 5pm on Fri, 2nd May). We will lose around 50 seats mainly to the Tories 

2. What do you think will be the Lib Dems’, Labour and Tory national projected share of the vote? (Again, as stated by the BBC website at 5pm on 2nd May)?our share of the vote percentage wise will remain the same +/-1%

3. What do you think will be the percentage of first preferences won by the three main candidates for London mayor? Boris 45%, Ken 37%, Brian 14%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. How many Council seats do you think the Lib Dems will gain or lose on 1st May? (This is net seats as recorded by the BBC website at 5pm on Fri, 2nd May). We will lose around 50 seats mainly to the Tories </p>
<p>2. What do you think will be the Lib Dems’, Labour and Tory national projected share of the vote? (Again, as stated by the BBC website at 5pm on 2nd May)?our share of the vote percentage wise will remain the same +/-1%</p>
<p>3. What do you think will be the percentage of first preferences won by the three main candidates for London mayor? Boris 45%, Ken 37%, Brian 14%</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Lib Dem&#039;s Minus 50 seats

2. Con - 42
   Lab - 26
   Lib Dem - 28

3. Boris - 43
   Brian - 10
   Ken.  - 40</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Lib Dem&#8217;s Minus 50 seats</p>
<p>2. Con &#8211; 42<br />
   Lab &#8211; 26<br />
   Lib Dem &#8211; 28</p>
<p>3. Boris &#8211; 43<br />
   Brian &#8211; 10<br />
   Ken.  &#8211; 40</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - +15

2.
Lab Share - 25
Con Share - 41
LD Share - 25

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 32
Borris 1st Pref - 35
Brian 1st Pref - 16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; +15</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 25<br />
Con Share &#8211; 41<br />
LD Share &#8211; 25</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 32<br />
Borris 1st Pref &#8211; 35<br />
Brian 1st Pref &#8211; 16</p>
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		<title>By: Madasafish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madasafish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - -125 seats

2.
Lab Share - 25%
Con Share - 43%
LD Share -  17%

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 40
Borris 1st Pref -48
Brian 1st Pref 6

The LibDems have fought a totally inactive campaign under their ineffectual new leader. Who is he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; -125 seats</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 25%<br />
Con Share &#8211; 43%<br />
LD Share &#8211;  17%</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 40<br />
Borris 1st Pref -48<br />
Brian 1st Pref 6</p>
<p>The LibDems have fought a totally inactive campaign under their ineffectual new leader. Who is he?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Hayfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Hayfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. How many Council seats do you think the Lib Dems will gain or lose on 1st May? (This is net seats as recorded by the BBC website at 5pm on Fri, 2nd May).

Net Loss of 100

2. What do you think will be the Lib Dems’, Labour and Tory national projected share of the vote? (Again, as stated by the BBC website at 5pm on 2nd May)?

Con 44% Lib Dem 24% Lab 20%

3. What do you think will be the percentage of first preferences won by the three main candidates for London mayor?

Johnson 36%, Livingstone 33%, Paddick 15%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. How many Council seats do you think the Lib Dems will gain or lose on 1st May? (This is net seats as recorded by the BBC website at 5pm on Fri, 2nd May).</p>
<p>Net Loss of 100</p>
<p>2. What do you think will be the Lib Dems’, Labour and Tory national projected share of the vote? (Again, as stated by the BBC website at 5pm on 2nd May)?</p>
<p>Con 44% Lib Dem 24% Lab 20%</p>
<p>3. What do you think will be the percentage of first preferences won by the three main candidates for London mayor?</p>
<p>Johnson 36%, Livingstone 33%, Paddick 15%</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Tall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - minus 85 seats

2.
Lab Share - 26%
Con Share - 42%
LD Share - 24%

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 37%
Boris 1st Pref - 39%
Brian 1st Pref - 15%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; minus 85 seats</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 26%<br />
Con Share &#8211; 42%<br />
LD Share &#8211; 24%</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 37%<br />
Boris 1st Pref &#8211; 39%<br />
Brian 1st Pref &#8211; 15%</p>
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		<title>By: roger heape</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger heape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.Seat change -nil.Gains from Labour in N and Wales offset by losses to Tories in
But opportunity to pick up some northern councils.

2.Con 40
  Lib 25
  Lab 24

3.Ken 40
  Boris 39
  Brian 10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.Seat change -nil.Gains from Labour in N and Wales offset by losses to Tories in<br />
But opportunity to pick up some northern councils.</p>
<p>2.Con 40<br />
  Lib 25<br />
  Lab 24</p>
<p>3.Ken 40<br />
  Boris 39<br />
  Brian 10</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.

Lib Dem Net change - PLUS 110

2.

Lab 26%
LD 26%
Con 34%

3.

Ken 35%
Boris 37%
Brian 11%

But I wouldn&#039;t bet on it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.</p>
<p>Lib Dem Net change &#8211; PLUS 110</p>
<p>2.</p>
<p>Lab 26%<br />
LD 26%<br />
Con 34%</p>
<p>3.</p>
<p>Ken 35%<br />
Boris 37%<br />
Brian 11%</p>
<p>But I wouldn&#8217;t bet on it!</p>
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		<title>By: dandoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>dandoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - minus 30

2.
Lab Share - 22%
Con Share - 40%
LD Share - 21%

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 38%
Borris 1st Pref - 38%
Brian 1st Pref - 11%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; minus 30</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 22%<br />
Con Share &#8211; 40%<br />
LD Share &#8211; 21%</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 38%<br />
Borris 1st Pref &#8211; 38%<br />
Brian 1st Pref &#8211; 11%</p>
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		<title>By: rochdale cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>rochdale cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Plus 15 seats
2. Lab - 27%
   Tory - 37%
   Lib Dem - 26%
3. Ken - 36%
  Boris - 42 %
 Brian 16%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Plus 15 seats<br />
2. Lab &#8211; 27%<br />
   Tory &#8211; 37%<br />
   Lib Dem &#8211; 26%<br />
3. Ken &#8211; 36%<br />
  Boris &#8211; 42 %<br />
 Brian 16%</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Ashton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - minus 120

2.
Lab Share - 25% 
Con Share - 40%
LD Share - 26%

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 34%
Borris 1st Pref - 32%
Brian 1st Pref - 12%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; minus 120</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 25%<br />
Con Share &#8211; 40%<br />
LD Share &#8211; 26%</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 34%<br />
Borris 1st Pref &#8211; 32%<br />
Brian 1st Pref &#8211; 12%</p>
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		<title>By: David Morton</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-ldv-competition-predict-how-the-lib-dems-will-do-on-1st-may-2532.html#comment-46594</link>
		<dc:creator>David Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

I&#039;m not a Londoner either so i should clarify that my rather sweeping statement about the Hughes camapaign was based on external observation rather than on the ground experience. However I remain of the view that the ken?Boris combined first preference figures remain to high. When people get there ballot paper and see the choice the others figure will increase.

As for 2004 you are spot on. I was reelected in 2004 and the situation was so bad my majority ended up being over the Green party rather than Labour. The great mistake the party has made is assuming that the Iraq effect is a permenet feature rather than a nice windfall. I suspect a modest net loss of seats, double rather than treble figures is realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Londoner either so i should clarify that my rather sweeping statement about the Hughes camapaign was based on external observation rather than on the ground experience. However I remain of the view that the ken?Boris combined first preference figures remain to high. When people get there ballot paper and see the choice the others figure will increase.</p>
<p>As for 2004 you are spot on. I was reelected in 2004 and the situation was so bad my majority ended up being over the Green party rather than Labour. The great mistake the party has made is assuming that the Iraq effect is a permenet feature rather than a nice windfall. I suspect a modest net loss of seats, double rather than treble figures is realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.
Lib Dem Net Change - loss of 69 seats

2.
Lab Share - 28
Con Share - 42
LD Share - 19

3.
Ken 1st Pref - 39
Boris 1st Pref - 41
Brian 1st Pref - 15</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.<br />
Lib Dem Net Change &#8211; loss of 69 seats</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab Share &#8211; 28<br />
Con Share &#8211; 42<br />
LD Share &#8211; 19</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken 1st Pref &#8211; 39<br />
Boris 1st Pref &#8211; 41<br />
Brian 1st Pref &#8211; 15</p>
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		<title>By: Clive Merriewether</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-ldv-competition-predict-how-the-lib-dems-will-do-on-1st-may-2532.html#comment-46588</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive Merriewether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Minus 72

2. 
Lab - 25
Con - 39
Lib - 24

3.
Ken - 35
Boris - 36
Brian - 17</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Minus 72</p>
<p>2.<br />
Lab &#8211; 25<br />
Con &#8211; 39<br />
Lib &#8211; 24</p>
<p>3.<br />
Ken &#8211; 35<br />
Boris &#8211; 36<br />
Brian &#8211; 17</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-ldv-competition-predict-how-the-lib-dems-will-do-on-1st-may-2532.html#comment-46578</link>
		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. nearly everyone predicting net losses&quot;

Hard to tell whether those are dashes or minus signs though :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. nearly everyone predicting net losses&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard to tell whether those are dashes or minus signs though <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Derek Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 

I&#039;m not a Londoner so I haven&#039;t seen much of the campaign there itself, but my inclination is that Simon Hughes had a high profile to begin with but that, much as he has many talents, Brian Paddick hasn&#039;t done enough to insert himself into the debate between Boris and Ken.  From our experience in 2007 in Scotland, despite being in good heart and well-organised, we lost ground to the SNP because it was perceived to be a two-way battle between them and Labour, and I think the London mayor race may be going the same way.  

The overall tone of the thread may be gloomy, but as you note it&#039;s pretty consistent.  Assuming we&#039;ll make sweeping gains just doesn&#039;t seem to chime with reaction on the ground.  As for predictions of losses, remember that in many cases the same seats were being fought in 2004, when we had in Charles Kennedy a leader who was popular and had half a clue what he was doing politically, whereas no serious observer could now claim that either of these factors now applies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Londoner so I haven&#8217;t seen much of the campaign there itself, but my inclination is that Simon Hughes had a high profile to begin with but that, much as he has many talents, Brian Paddick hasn&#8217;t done enough to insert himself into the debate between Boris and Ken.  From our experience in 2007 in Scotland, despite being in good heart and well-organised, we lost ground to the SNP because it was perceived to be a two-way battle between them and Labour, and I think the London mayor race may be going the same way.  </p>
<p>The overall tone of the thread may be gloomy, but as you note it&#8217;s pretty consistent.  Assuming we&#8217;ll make sweeping gains just doesn&#8217;t seem to chime with reaction on the ground.  As for predictions of losses, remember that in many cases the same seats were being fought in 2004, when we had in Charles Kennedy a leader who was popular and had half a clue what he was doing politically, whereas no serious observer could now claim that either of these factors now applies.</p>
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		<title>By: David Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a gloomy thread.

1. nearly everyone predicting net losses

2. bit of a split on wether or not we&#039;ll come third in the vote share

3. almost everyone predicting lower vote share for brian than simon got in 2004 despite whats transparently a much better camapign and candidate. HMM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a gloomy thread.</p>
<p>1. nearly everyone predicting net losses</p>
<p>2. bit of a split on wether or not we&#8217;ll come third in the vote share</p>
<p>3. almost everyone predicting lower vote share for brian than simon got in 2004 despite whats transparently a much better camapign and candidate. HMM.</p>
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		<title>By: tony hill</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-ldv-competition-predict-how-the-lib-dems-will-do-on-1st-may-2532.html#comment-46574</link>
		<dc:creator>tony hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Net change +22

2.  Lab share 26%
      Con share 41%
      Lib share 23%

3.  Ken 38%
      Boris 37%
      Brian 13%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Net change +22</p>
<p>2.  Lab share 26%<br />
      Con share 41%<br />
      Lib share 23%</p>
<p>3.  Ken 38%<br />
      Boris 37%<br />
      Brian 13%</p>
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