Comments on: NEW POLL: who would you give your second preference to in the London mayoral race? http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:36:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Steven Ronald http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45558 Steven Ronald Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:18:56 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45558 Diversity - Do you understand the voting system? Diversity – Do you understand the voting system?

]]> By: Diversity http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45557 Diversity Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:08:41 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45557 This election is about personalities, like it or not. Brian Paddick is by far the solidest, most competent and liberally inclined person on offer. K now repels me. B is adequately described by his initial. The rest are repellent or nonentities, bar Sian Berry who is less repellent than K or B, and not a nonentity. Therefore she is my second preference. This election is about personalities, like it or not. Brian Paddick is by far the solidest, most competent and liberally inclined person on offer. K now repels me. B is adequately described by his initial. The rest are repellent or nonentities, bar Sian Berry who is less repellent than K or B, and not a nonentity. Therefore she is my second preference.

]]> By: Steven Ronald http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45554 Steven Ronald Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:14:29 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45554 In fact, of course, nationwide NL and Con are absurdly bad in very similiar ways but its harder to paint that picture in a Ken V Boris match up. I liked the way Huhne handled this kind of question referencing the grand coalitions in Germany and Netherlands. In fact, of course, nationwide NL and Con are absurdly bad in very similiar ways but its harder to paint that picture in a Ken V Boris match up.

I liked the way Huhne handled this kind of question referencing the grand coalitions in Germany and Netherlands.

]]> By: Mark Wright http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45553 Mark Wright Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:11:55 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45553 From the other thread, this says it all about Ken: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJnWQlIHaI From the other thread, this says it all about Ken:

]]> By: Steven Ronald http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45552 Steven Ronald Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:06:49 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45552 NL and Con are so absurdly bad in different ways it would be ludicrus for a prominent LD to state where their 2nd pref would be going. That's not verbatim but he certainly got the sentiment across (better than say, e.g., to pick a figure from random - Ming - ha ha) NL and Con are so absurdly bad in different ways it would be ludicrus for a prominent LD to state where their 2nd pref would be going.

That’s not verbatim but he certainly got the sentiment across (better than say, e.g., to pick a figure from random – Ming – ha ha)

]]> By: MartinSGill http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45551 MartinSGill Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:52:33 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45551 <blockquote> I think Brian’s line on 2nd prefs on the newsnight debates was excellent and should be followed at all times in the media by our leaders and spokespeople. </blockquote> I missed newsnight... what was that line?

I think Brian’s line on 2nd prefs on the newsnight debates was excellent and should be followed at all times in the media by our leaders and spokespeople.

I missed newsnight… what was that line?

]]> By: Steven Ronald http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45549 Steven Ronald Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:25:41 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45549 "I’m surprised that as many have picked green as have so far - Do people not realise that the greens are basically hard left with a few nutty enviro-policies thrown in?" Indeed. And it kind of looks like they don't understand the voting system as well...Having said that I think the "Will not use my second preference" option is very dignified however I would be too much a pragmatist to do that. Yes it's all a bit of fun here but I think Brian's line on 2nd prefs on the newsnight debates was excellent and should be followed at all times in the media by our leaders and spokespeople. “I’m surprised that as many have picked green as have so far –

Do people not realise that the greens are basically hard left with a few nutty enviro-policies thrown in?”

Indeed. And it kind of looks like they don’t understand the voting system as well…Having said that I think the “Will not use my second preference” option is very dignified however I would be too much a pragmatist to do that.

Yes it’s all a bit of fun here but I think Brian’s line on 2nd prefs on the newsnight debates was excellent and should be followed at all times in the media by our leaders and spokespeople.

]]> By: Joe Taylor http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45319 Joe Taylor Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:26:47 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45319 If I had a vote, I'd vote for a Henley by-election ;-) Plus it's setting Boris up to be a national poster boy for Tory incompetence in a few years time... Of course, some folks who have to actually LIVE in London for the next four years may see this differently! ;-) If I had a vote, I’d vote for a Henley by-election ;-)

Plus it’s setting Boris up to be a national poster boy for Tory incompetence in a few years time…

Of course, some folks who have to actually LIVE in London for the next four years may see this differently! ;-)

]]> By: Painfully Liberal http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45315 Painfully Liberal Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:58:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45315 Just to reiterate, with judicious use of your first and second preferences, you can contribute towards both these outcomes. Personally I honestly can't decide who I dislike more out of Ken and Boris and I certainly haven't heard any convincing arguments of why to give either my second preference, other than to keep the other one out. I guess I'll decide for myself closer to the time but as long as people give Brian their first preference I don't really care who gets their second (within obvious limits) Just to reiterate, with judicious use of your first and second preferences, you can contribute towards both these outcomes.

Personally I honestly can’t decide who I dislike more out of Ken and Boris and I certainly haven’t heard any convincing arguments of why to give either my second preference, other than to keep the other one out. I guess I’ll decide for myself closer to the time but as long as people give Brian their first preference I don’t really care who gets their second (within obvious limits)

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45314 Oranjepan Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:53:10 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45314 Ash, if you allow your doubts to overcome you you'll never be truly satisfied - either this time round or next or any time after that. Ash, if you allow your doubts to overcome you you’ll never be truly satisfied – either this time round or next or any time after that.

]]> By: Ash http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45313 Ash Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:47:11 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45313 Oranjepan - there are two outcomes I'd like in the mayoral elections. One is a win for Brian Paddick and the other is Livingstone out. I doubt the first will happen, but the second is a real possibility and I'll vote for it. Livingstone is poison. I'd rather have a 'clown' in charge than a venomous snake. Oranjepan – there are two outcomes I’d like in the mayoral elections. One is a win for Brian Paddick and the other is Livingstone out. I doubt the first will happen, but the second is a real possibility and I’ll vote for it. Livingstone is poison. I’d rather have a ‘clown’ in charge than a venomous snake.

]]> By: Alex Foster http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45297 Alex Foster Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:34:30 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45297 <i>If this was the next General Election would we keep in power an unpopular Labour government by allying with them yet again? How would we now feel if the Paddick number two votes (approx 60 or 65% of them) effectively propped up Ken and his cronies? For any hardened politico the answer is obvious.</i> Yeah, perfectly obvious. You can't give that fop-haired clown a leg up into the General Election. It's not just Paddick's 2nd prefs that count. If this was the next General Election would we keep in power an unpopular Labour government by allying with them yet again?
How would we now feel if the Paddick number two votes (approx 60 or 65% of them) effectively propped up Ken and his cronies?
For any hardened politico the answer is obvious.

Yeah, perfectly obvious. You can’t give that fop-haired clown a leg up into the General Election.

It’s not just Paddick’s 2nd prefs that count.

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45265 Oranjepan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:22:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45265 ...and there we were trying to get the stink out of public life when the resident tory says it's nothing to worry about, everything is a bed of roses, just keep queuing! It may be fodder for the press, but the public needs relief. …and there we were trying to get the stink out of public life when the resident tory says it’s nothing to worry about, everything is a bed of roses, just keep queuing!

It may be fodder for the press, but the public needs relief.

]]> By: passing tory http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45254 passing tory Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:57:42 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45254 .. nutRition .. nutRition

]]> By: passing tory http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45253 passing tory Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:57:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45253 Depends whether you are a gardener with a load of roses that need extra nutition :-) Depends whether you are a gardener with a load of roses that need extra nutition :-)

]]> By: David Christopher http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45246 David Christopher Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:43:39 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45246 If this was the next General Election would we keep in power an unpopular Labour government by allying with them yet again? How would we now feel if the Paddick number two votes (approx 60 or 65% of them) effectively propped up Ken and his cronies? For any hardened politico the answer is obvious. If this was the next General Election would we keep in power an unpopular Labour government by allying with them yet again?
How would we now feel if the Paddick number two votes (approx 60 or 65% of them) effectively propped up Ken and his cronies?
For any hardened politico the answer is obvious.

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45244 Oranjepan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:22:01 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45244 Sure you do, virtually-live-in Tory, but you don't want to be stuck in the queue behind a herd of constipated elephants. Sure you do, virtually-live-in Tory, but you don’t want to be stuck in the queue behind a herd of constipated elephants.

]]> By: passing tory http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45242 passing tory Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:11:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45242 That's not quite true, orangepan. You flush the bog even though you know it is still only going to fill up again in future, don't you? That’s not quite true, orangepan. You flush the bog even though you know it is still only going to fill up again in future, don’t you?

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45241 Oranjepan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:51:54 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45241 Ash, the additional problem with BJ is that you won't get him, you'll get a bunch of invisible and unaccountable right-wing blow-hards known as 'advisors', who'll dictate more than they'll advise and listen as little as they can get away with. They'll bypass the assembly and ignore the boroughs, but you can bet they'll commune with the non-doms in the city. KL has run a somewhat similar regime to his mayoralty's discredit, but it is only now to his current electoral disadvantage because Lee Jasper&Co are getting trapped in a web of waste and criminality all of their own making. Changing the name on the door doesn't change a thing unless you actually change what goes on in the room. Ash,

the additional problem with BJ is that you won’t get him, you’ll get a bunch of invisible and unaccountable right-wing blow-hards known as ‘advisors’, who’ll dictate more than they’ll advise and listen as little as they can get away with. They’ll bypass the assembly and ignore the boroughs, but you can bet they’ll commune with the non-doms in the city.

KL has run a somewhat similar regime to his mayoralty’s discredit, but it is only now to his current electoral disadvantage because Lee Jasper&Co are getting trapped in a web of waste and criminality all of their own making.

Changing the name on the door doesn’t change a thing unless you actually change what goes on in the room.

]]> By: Oranjepan http://www.libdemvoice.org/new-poll-who-would-you-give-your-second-preference-to-in-the-london-mayoral-race-2484.html#comment-45238 Oranjepan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:37:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2484#comment-45238 I don't like David Cameron, but he does shine by comparison with the rest of the tories. That's not much to commend him. I don’t like David Cameron, but he does shine by comparison with the rest of the tories. That’s not much to commend him.

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