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	<title>Comments on: Nick Clegg attacks Policy Exchange for &#8220;offensive&#8221; and &#8220;underhand&#8221; briefing</title>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my old favourites this one from back in the days that I was still a member of the LibDems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my old favourites this one from back in the days that I was still a member of the LibDems.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-70320</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose if we&#039;re going to make fools of ourselves, then we might as well &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/nov/22/liberal-democrats-moonies-festival&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;do it properly&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose if we&#8217;re going to make fools of ourselves, then we might as well <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/nov/22/liberal-democrats-moonies-festival" rel="nofollow">do it properly</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Blackburn</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-66716</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Blackburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record it&#039;s Blackburn and no im not David T. 

If the senior politicians had stood on a platform with moderate Muslims or moderate Islamists- that would have been fine to me, probably not to Islamophobics. However they were also billed with a lunatic fringe who were pushing conspiracies. That is very poor judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record it&#8217;s Blackburn and no im not David T. </p>
<p>If the senior politicians had stood on a platform with moderate Muslims or moderate Islamists- that would have been fine to me, probably not to Islamophobics. However they were also billed with a lunatic fringe who were pushing conspiracies. That is very poor judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf Islam is also irresponsible in his freedom to speech - he should know how powerful words are and how they can be misinterpreted.

Whether or not he loses respect for being inconsistent we should still reach out to people who are prepared to work together.

I think I prefer Richard Thompson anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf Islam is also irresponsible in his freedom to speech &#8211; he should know how powerful words are and how they can be misinterpreted.</p>
<p>Whether or not he loses respect for being inconsistent we should still reach out to people who are prepared to work together.</p>
<p>I think I prefer Richard Thompson anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-66654</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Are you guys really liberal?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, a bit.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Why don’t you find a speech or even a significant part of a speech that any of the speakers have recorded in which they use extremist views.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve already mentioned Yusuf Islam. Do you really think it is appropriate for &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;someone of his views&lt;/a&gt; to be speaking under the umbrella of &quot;global peace and unity&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Are you guys really liberal?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yeah, a bit.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Why don’t you find a speech or even a significant part of a speech that any of the speakers have recorded in which they use extremist views.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already mentioned Yusuf Islam. Do you really think it is appropriate for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie" rel="nofollow">someone of his views</a> to be speaking under the umbrella of &#8220;global peace and unity&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: fudge</title>
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		<dc:creator>fudge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you guys really liberal??

Your evaluation of an entire person&#039;s life fits in one or two sentences that are quoted out of context?

Yasir never denied holocaust, he questioned the figureds, and that was years ago, before he started his doctorate. And similarly to quote a statement or two and make it appear that those define the person&#039;s entire makeup is nothing short of neocon and zionist techniques routinely employed in the United States for witch-hunting.

Why don&#039;t you find a speech or even a significant part of a speech that any of the speakers have recorded in which they use extremist views. Sometimes, move your anchor point from your own little world, to the larger world where people view things differently from you. If you are looking for few drunken gay men to be your reps for Islam, then you are never going to get there. On the other hand, if your goal is to defeat radicalism and extremism that leads to oppression or terrorism, then these people are your allies. TREAT them as such otherwise don&#039;t blame Muslims for not rooting out from &quot;within&quot;.

Shame on you David T, and Habeeby! You are the sly islamophobia creators like your counterparts Horowitz and Daniel Pipes in States. Keep up your islamophobia manufacturing factory... I am sure that will do a lot of good for eveyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you guys really liberal??</p>
<p>Your evaluation of an entire person&#8217;s life fits in one or two sentences that are quoted out of context?</p>
<p>Yasir never denied holocaust, he questioned the figureds, and that was years ago, before he started his doctorate. And similarly to quote a statement or two and make it appear that those define the person&#8217;s entire makeup is nothing short of neocon and zionist techniques routinely employed in the United States for witch-hunting.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you find a speech or even a significant part of a speech that any of the speakers have recorded in which they use extremist views. Sometimes, move your anchor point from your own little world, to the larger world where people view things differently from you. If you are looking for few drunken gay men to be your reps for Islam, then you are never going to get there. On the other hand, if your goal is to defeat radicalism and extremism that leads to oppression or terrorism, then these people are your allies. TREAT them as such otherwise don&#8217;t blame Muslims for not rooting out from &#8220;within&#8221;.</p>
<p>Shame on you David T, and Habeeby! You are the sly islamophobia creators like your counterparts Horowitz and Daniel Pipes in States. Keep up your islamophobia manufacturing factory&#8230; I am sure that will do a lot of good for eveyone.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah well, it was a good thread while it lasted...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah well, it was a good thread while it lasted&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here am I scratching my head trying to work out what Elvis has to 9/11. Only a neocon troll can find a connection, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here am I scratching my head trying to work out what Elvis has to 9/11. Only a neocon troll can find a connection, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-66612</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;In my opinion, there has thus far been no convincing official explanation for the fall of the three towers.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think there may have been. Just a couple of points that might help. First, I think that some people have difficultly comprehending the vast quantities of &lt;i&gt;energy&lt;/i&gt; that were released that day. It&#039;s not entirely intuitive. Most of us have a rough feel for the amount of energy contained in a pan of boiling water, but of course 9/11 was astronomical by comparison.

Secondly, imagine if you will that the official explanations make perfect sense, and what errors and omissions exists represent either honest mistakes or the inevitable gaps in our knowledge. You would nevertheless always have people claiming a conspiracy every single time. I don&#039;t know why, it&#039;s just what people do. It doesn&#039;t make the truthers wrong, but it should make one pause for thought.

It&#039;s the same deal with religion. God or no God, you&#039;d always have all the world&#039;s religion&#039;s arguing over who is the greatest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;In my opinion, there has thus far been no convincing official explanation for the fall of the three towers.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I think there may have been. Just a couple of points that might help. First, I think that some people have difficultly comprehending the vast quantities of <i>energy</i> that were released that day. It&#8217;s not entirely intuitive. Most of us have a rough feel for the amount of energy contained in a pan of boiling water, but of course 9/11 was astronomical by comparison.</p>
<p>Secondly, imagine if you will that the official explanations make perfect sense, and what errors and omissions exists represent either honest mistakes or the inevitable gaps in our knowledge. You would nevertheless always have people claiming a conspiracy every single time. I don&#8217;t know why, it&#8217;s just what people do. It doesn&#8217;t make the truthers wrong, but it should make one pause for thought.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same deal with religion. God or no God, you&#8217;d always have all the world&#8217;s religion&#8217;s arguing over who is the greatest.</p>
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		<title>By: whelan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-66611</link>
		<dc:creator>whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the way you have linked me to your spurious creationism counter-argument, despite the fact I was merely ridiculing your 9/11 truth delusion nonsense. 

Do you find it exciting to imagine a conspiracy? 

Elvis did. Or, indeed, does. Get yourself down Shoreditch and we can ask him if he has access to the CIA files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way you have linked me to your spurious creationism counter-argument, despite the fact I was merely ridiculing your 9/11 truth delusion nonsense. </p>
<p>Do you find it exciting to imagine a conspiracy? </p>
<p>Elvis did. Or, indeed, does. Get yourself down Shoreditch and we can ask him if he has access to the CIA files.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-66608</link>
		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whelan, are you on tea-break? Writing Sarah Palin&#039;s robocalls must be exhausting business. Still, as long as you telescope everything from the Pre-Cambrian to the Pleistocene into 6 days, you&#039;ll please your mistress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whelan, are you on tea-break? Writing Sarah Palin&#8217;s robocalls must be exhausting business. Still, as long as you telescope everything from the Pre-Cambrian to the Pleistocene into 6 days, you&#8217;ll please your mistress.</p>
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		<title>By: whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, I think you will find it is the
&quot;Dick Cheney Worshippers&#039; Club&quot;. And, yes you do. 

Do you get a badge when you join the &quot;I&#039;m a conspiracy loon&quot; cult?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, I think you will find it is the<br />
&#8220;Dick Cheney Worshippers&#8217; Club&#8221;. And, yes you do. </p>
<p>Do you get a badge when you join the &#8220;I&#8217;m a conspiracy loon&#8221; cult?</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whelan, do you get a badge when you join the &quot;Dick Cheney Worshippers Club&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whelan, do you get a badge when you join the &#8220;Dick Cheney Worshippers Club&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-clegg-attacks-policy-exchange-for-offensive-and-underhand-briefing-5064.html#comment-66601</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Laurence Boyce is wrong.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This cannot be, surely?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Laurence Boyce is wrong.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This cannot be, surely?</p>
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		<title>By: whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an outright lie, and you, Mr Sesenco, do not deserve to call yourself a Liberal Democrat. In actual fact, I think you will find the White House elite are all descended from the original worshippers of the great Cthulhu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an outright lie, and you, Mr Sesenco, do not deserve to call yourself a Liberal Democrat. In actual fact, I think you will find the White House elite are all descended from the original worshippers of the great Cthulhu.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whelan, do you believe that God made the world in 6 days? Your friends in the White House do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whelan, do you believe that God made the world in 6 days? Your friends in the White House do.</p>
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		<title>By: whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and after reading Sesenco&#039;s comments I would like to add my belief that Elvis is alive, and currently singing in a bar in Shoreditch every other Wednesday. I saw him last week. Fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and after reading Sesenco&#8217;s comments I would like to add my belief that Elvis is alive, and currently singing in a bar in Shoreditch every other Wednesday. I saw him last week. Fact.</p>
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		<title>By: whelan</title>
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		<dc:creator>whelan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I simply wouldn&#039;t go anywhere that listed Tony McNulty as a speaker. 

But I guess that would rule Clegg out of the Commons, so he is unlikely to follow my advice. I advise the rest of you to follow suit, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply wouldn&#8217;t go anywhere that listed Tony McNulty as a speaker. </p>
<p>But I guess that would rule Clegg out of the Commons, so he is unlikely to follow my advice. I advise the rest of you to follow suit, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Hinton:

I assumed (wrongly and unwisely) that everyone would understand what &quot;Chris Broadhurst&quot; was driving at.

Chris Broadhurst wrote:

&quot;Does Nick Clegg believe that 9/11 was a ZOG plot?&quot;

&quot;ZOG&quot; stands for &quot;Zionist Occupation Government&quot;.

This is a clear attempt to smear the 9/11 Truth Movement as anti-Semitic.

If the 9/11 Truth Movement really was a bunch of looneys, and its claims wholly devoid of merit, why do the likes of &quot;Chris Broadhurst&quot; feel the need to do this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Hinton:</p>
<p>I assumed (wrongly and unwisely) that everyone would understand what &#8220;Chris Broadhurst&#8221; was driving at.</p>
<p>Chris Broadhurst wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Does Nick Clegg believe that 9/11 was a ZOG plot?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;ZOG&#8221; stands for &#8220;Zionist Occupation Government&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is a clear attempt to smear the 9/11 Truth Movement as anti-Semitic.</p>
<p>If the 9/11 Truth Movement really was a bunch of looneys, and its claims wholly devoid of merit, why do the likes of &#8220;Chris Broadhurst&#8221; feel the need to do this?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anti-Semitic? Sorry? Are we going to be getting into the business of calling people &quot;self-hating Jews&quot; now? Sesenco, if you&#039;re worried about people conflating the 9/11 truth movement (which I have a considerable amount of sympathy for) with other things, don&#039;t go doing it yourself. There is nothing (necessarily) anti-semitic about anti-zionist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anti-Semitic? Sorry? Are we going to be getting into the business of calling people &#8220;self-hating Jews&#8221; now? Sesenco, if you&#8217;re worried about people conflating the 9/11 truth movement (which I have a considerable amount of sympathy for) with other things, don&#8217;t go doing it yourself. There is nothing (necessarily) anti-semitic about anti-zionist.</p>
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