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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Why I&#8217;m standing against Nick Griffin&#8217; &#8211; Dominic Carman</title>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey has anyone watched &quot;children of men&quot;? i tell you that will be the fate of Britain if they are under the BNP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey has anyone watched &#8220;children of men&#8221;? i tell you that will be the fate of Britain if they are under the BNP.</p>
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		<title>By: Sesenco</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-griffin-barking-dominic-carman-18302.html#comment-111233</link>
		<dc:creator>Sesenco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine Milner:

If Nick Griffin is not a Nazi, why did he (1) join the National Front under the avowedly Nazi Tyndall and Webster, (2) follow the avowedly Nazi Tyndall into the BNP and (3) deny the Holocaust?

Griffin likes to present himself as a working-class thug, the champion of brainless, racist, beer-swilling morons, the scourge of middle-class trendies, gays and people with more than a handful of braincells. Actually, he is an upper-middle-class thug with a very rich Daddy who went to a posh school and has never had to work in his life.

The BNP are SCUM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine Milner:</p>
<p>If Nick Griffin is not a Nazi, why did he (1) join the National Front under the avowedly Nazi Tyndall and Webster, (2) follow the avowedly Nazi Tyndall into the BNP and (3) deny the Holocaust?</p>
<p>Griffin likes to present himself as a working-class thug, the champion of brainless, racist, beer-swilling morons, the scourge of middle-class trendies, gays and people with more than a handful of braincells. Actually, he is an upper-middle-class thug with a very rich Daddy who went to a posh school and has never had to work in his life.</p>
<p>The BNP are SCUM.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic CURRAN</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-griffin-barking-dominic-carman-18302.html#comment-110950</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominic CURRAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh come on, surely the LD have better candidates than this. The man’s a loser. These sort of smears were seen through by the public years ago. At this rate Griffin won’t have to campaign, the LDs will do it for him. The voters are sick of this type of thing. What we want is policies.&quot;

Er, what sort of smears, Brian?  I think that Dominic Carman is suggesting that, on his past record, Nick Griffin is not only unfit to hold public office, but is unfit to be allowed to talk on the same platform as decent, reasonable people. He has expressed support for murderers and fascists, and today denies it because he wants to get elected. To point this out isn&#039;t to smear him at all. Who on earth are you, Brian, and what are you doing on a liberal site?  As for Catherine Miller&#039;s comment above yours, can you point out any ACTUAL silly name calling? I don&#039;t see any. Although &#039;emotive cobblers&#039; comes close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh come on, surely the LD have better candidates than this. The man’s a loser. These sort of smears were seen through by the public years ago. At this rate Griffin won’t have to campaign, the LDs will do it for him. The voters are sick of this type of thing. What we want is policies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, what sort of smears, Brian?  I think that Dominic Carman is suggesting that, on his past record, Nick Griffin is not only unfit to hold public office, but is unfit to be allowed to talk on the same platform as decent, reasonable people. He has expressed support for murderers and fascists, and today denies it because he wants to get elected. To point this out isn&#8217;t to smear him at all. Who on earth are you, Brian, and what are you doing on a liberal site?  As for Catherine Miller&#8217;s comment above yours, can you point out any ACTUAL silly name calling? I don&#8217;t see any. Although &#8216;emotive cobblers&#8217; comes close.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely you should be taking on Margert Hodge, Griffin and is party are irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely you should be taking on Margert Hodge, Griffin and is party are irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-griffin-barking-dominic-carman-18302.html#comment-110270</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, surely the LD have better candidates than this. The man&#039;s a loser. These sort of smears were seen through by the public years ago. At this rate Griffin won&#039;t have to campaign, the LDs will do it for him. The voters are sick of this type of thing. What we want is policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, surely the LD have better candidates than this. The man&#8217;s a loser. These sort of smears were seen through by the public years ago. At this rate Griffin won&#8217;t have to campaign, the LDs will do it for him. The voters are sick of this type of thing. What we want is policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Milner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Milner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emotive cobblers. Please leave the silly name calling and guilt-by association tactics to the Trotskyists of the SWP. Nick Griffin is a white nationalist who believes in homogenous societies based on common cultural values but he is not a Nazi and does not believe in nail bombing his opponents. He is not responsible for the actions of a deranged criminal.  As liberals, we should debate issues openly, honestly and directly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emotive cobblers. Please leave the silly name calling and guilt-by association tactics to the Trotskyists of the SWP. Nick Griffin is a white nationalist who believes in homogenous societies based on common cultural values but he is not a Nazi and does not believe in nail bombing his opponents. He is not responsible for the actions of a deranged criminal.  As liberals, we should debate issues openly, honestly and directly</p>
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		<title>By: dominic carman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dominic carman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quote is not taken from a book review, but an from a Rune article which Griffin dedicates in praise to a series of American white supremacist terrorists, bombers and killers - what he describes as  &#039;a roll call of the most thoughtful, dedicated, experienced and bravest men of our time.&#039;  Apart from Pierce, who inspired terrorism, the achievements of the other men listed were bombing and killing opponents of the white race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote is not taken from a book review, but an from a Rune article which Griffin dedicates in praise to a series of American white supremacist terrorists, bombers and killers &#8211; what he describes as  &#8216;a roll call of the most thoughtful, dedicated, experienced and bravest men of our time.&#8217;  Apart from Pierce, who inspired terrorism, the achievements of the other men listed were bombing and killing opponents of the white race.</p>
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		<title>By: iainm</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-griffin-barking-dominic-carman-18302.html#comment-110211</link>
		<dc:creator>iainm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Griffin did not plant nail-bombs. Griffin is not legally guilty of incitement to murder. But morally, Griffin has blood on his hands.&lt;/i&gt;

Because he wrote a favourable book review?

You&#039;re joking right? This is some sort of experiment to see if you can provoke liberals into defending Griffin?

I&#039;d have thought the case against him was air-tight enough without having to resort to hysterical hyperbole such as this, and I while it may get a few cheers from the choir I can&#039;t see it eliciting anything but snorts of derision from those you are trying to reach - i.e those who might consider voting for him in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Griffin did not plant nail-bombs. Griffin is not legally guilty of incitement to murder. But morally, Griffin has blood on his hands.</i></p>
<p>Because he wrote a favourable book review?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re joking right? This is some sort of experiment to see if you can provoke liberals into defending Griffin?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have thought the case against him was air-tight enough without having to resort to hysterical hyperbole such as this, and I while it may get a few cheers from the choir I can&#8217;t see it eliciting anything but snorts of derision from those you are trying to reach &#8211; i.e those who might consider voting for him in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: ceedee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceedee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, let&#039;s all stand against Nick Griffin.
He won&#039;t stand a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, let&#8217;s all stand against Nick Griffin.<br />
He won&#8217;t stand a chance!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Taylor Condliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/nick-griffin-barking-dominic-carman-18302.html#comment-110202</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Taylor Condliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dominic,

&quot;Griffin and the BNP helped light a deadly fuse in Copeland’s mind&quot; - well said. You make a thoughtful, coherent argument against the BNP with a lovely turn of phrase to boot!

I can see why Nick Griffin might not be keen to debate you. Let&#039;s hope you do well for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dominic,</p>
<p>&#8220;Griffin and the BNP helped light a deadly fuse in Copeland’s mind&#8221; &#8211; well said. You make a thoughtful, coherent argument against the BNP with a lovely turn of phrase to boot!</p>
<p>I can see why Nick Griffin might not be keen to debate you. Let&#8217;s hope you do well for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Articles like this show exactly why we need to stand up to and defeat the challenge of the BNP. Dominic Carman seems poised to do a very good job standing against Nick Griffin in Barking. The very best of luck to you and to your campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Articles like this show exactly why we need to stand up to and defeat the challenge of the BNP. Dominic Carman seems poised to do a very good job standing against Nick Griffin in Barking. The very best of luck to you and to your campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so Dominic, would you support Lord Clement-Jones&#039; amendment 120a on the Digital Economy Bill that would enable the censorship of any website (UK or foreign) that published the Turner Diaries, i.e. in order to prevent the public&#039;s access to material liable to instruct, incite, and induce its readers into acts of terror against innocent civilians?

Bonus questions:

Is the citizen responsible for their criminal actions, or are they an intellectually feeble blank slate to be programmed with whatever propaganda first reaches them?

Should we have banned Star Wars because it symbolically glorified the destruction of the twin towers in the minds of those who saw themselves as striking a blow at an evil empire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so Dominic, would you support Lord Clement-Jones&#8217; amendment 120a on the Digital Economy Bill that would enable the censorship of any website (UK or foreign) that published the Turner Diaries, i.e. in order to prevent the public&#8217;s access to material liable to instruct, incite, and induce its readers into acts of terror against innocent civilians?</p>
<p>Bonus questions:</p>
<p>Is the citizen responsible for their criminal actions, or are they an intellectually feeble blank slate to be programmed with whatever propaganda first reaches them?</p>
<p>Should we have banned Star Wars because it symbolically glorified the destruction of the twin towers in the minds of those who saw themselves as striking a blow at an evil empire?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Dominic, all you can do to highlight the true nature of fascists and the fact that it isn&#039;t only their rhetoric which drips with violence, is valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Dominic, all you can do to highlight the true nature of fascists and the fact that it isn&#8217;t only their rhetoric which drips with violence, is valuable.</p>
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