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	<title>Comments on: Nick sets out Lib Dem election principles: &#8220;Four steps to a fairer Britain&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: The Guardian&#8217;s approving verdict on the Lib Dems&#8217; manifesto principles is correct &#8230; but for the wrong reasons</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Guardian&#8217;s approving verdict on the Lib Dems&#8217; manifesto principles is correct &#8230; but for the wrong reasons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] paper commends Nick for yesterday&#8217;s launch of the principles which will underpin the Lib Dems&#8217; election [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] paper commends Nick for yesterday&#8217;s launch of the principles which will underpin the Lib Dems&#8217; election [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Suffield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Suffield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Avoiding the question everyone is asking isn’t “treating people like grown-ups”!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good grief. Nobody is avoiding the question. You&#039;ve been told the answer three or four times in this comment thread alone. This is getting ridiculous. My prediction appears to have been correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Avoiding the question everyone is asking isn’t “treating people like grown-ups”!</p></blockquote>
<p>Good grief. Nobody is avoiding the question. You&#8217;ve been told the answer three or four times in this comment thread alone. This is getting ridiculous. My prediction appears to have been correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Aloysius St</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Aloysius St</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whether we should try to match our party stance with the times is a matter for debate.&quot;

Or, rather, it isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whether we should try to match our party stance with the times is a matter for debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, rather, it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Greaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Greaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very depressing stuff. We live in very depressing times. Whether we should try to match our party stance with the times is a matter for debate.

Tony Greaves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very depressing stuff. We live in very depressing times. Whether we should try to match our party stance with the times is a matter for debate.</p>
<p>Tony Greaves</p>
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		<title>By: James Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If the conditions were right, we could work with David Cameron. If the conditions were right, we could work with Labour. We could not possibly work with Labour under Gordon Brown’s leadership.”

Yes, but that might be a bit difficult if, say, Labour under Brown wins more seats than the Conservatives in the GE. We should be prepared to at least consider working with whichever party wins the election but, if negotiations fail to bring the changes we would like, reserve the right not to be drawn into a co-operative relationship that isn&#039;t in our interests.

Nick Clegg should be realistic about the possibilities of the Lib Dems holding the balance of power but committed only to considering the possibility of coalition/co-operation with whichever party secures most seats.  Saying that we will/will not work with particular individuals in advance of the General Election would be a foolish tactic and would hardly be suggestive of a party of co-operation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If the conditions were right, we could work with David Cameron. If the conditions were right, we could work with Labour. We could not possibly work with Labour under Gordon Brown’s leadership.”</p>
<p>Yes, but that might be a bit difficult if, say, Labour under Brown wins more seats than the Conservatives in the GE. We should be prepared to at least consider working with whichever party wins the election but, if negotiations fail to bring the changes we would like, reserve the right not to be drawn into a co-operative relationship that isn&#8217;t in our interests.</p>
<p>Nick Clegg should be realistic about the possibilities of the Lib Dems holding the balance of power but committed only to considering the possibility of coalition/co-operation with whichever party secures most seats.  Saying that we will/will not work with particular individuals in advance of the General Election would be a foolish tactic and would hardly be suggestive of a party of co-operation.</p>
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		<title>By: David Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly.”

Well then, the party needs to think of a really good answer.

Specifically, one that will make it as hard as possible for the Tories in Lib Dem marginals to say: “The Lib Dems will keep Gordon Brown in Number 10″.

How about the following answer:

&quot;If the conditions were right, we could work with David Cameron.  If the conditions were right, we could work with Labour.  We could not possibly work with Labour under Gordon Brown&#039;s leadership.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly.”</p>
<p>Well then, the party needs to think of a really good answer.</p>
<p>Specifically, one that will make it as hard as possible for the Tories in Lib Dem marginals to say: “The Lib Dems will keep Gordon Brown in Number 10″.</p>
<p>How about the following answer:</p>
<p>&#8220;If the conditions were right, we could work with David Cameron.  If the conditions were right, we could work with Labour.  We could not possibly work with Labour under Gordon Brown&#8217;s leadership.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill le Breton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill le Breton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony Aloysius St John Hancock, That is a very thoughtful piece by Alex Stevenson which I hope the leadership ponders.  

What I think is tragic for our country is that, in this dreadful time when the chances of a stalled recovery, the chances of a period of deflation, the chances of a lost decade similar to that experienced by Japan still remains the most likely outcome, there is no leader emerging who can build hope, stand for change and inspire us all to believe that together we can turn this country round.

The Saturday night programme on Obama&#039;s campaign showed that when the American public wanted change, they wanted to be able to identify with their leader.  They wanted that leader to have experienced what they were experiencing, to define his own journey as that of the journey of the country itself and the citizens of the country themselves.

Compare this quote from Obama to the American public with Nick today, &quot;I am asking you to believe.    Not just in my ability to bring real change to Washington ... I am asking you to believe in yours.&quot;   Phew!  That is change with the people and not for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Aloysius St John Hancock, That is a very thoughtful piece by Alex Stevenson which I hope the leadership ponders.  </p>
<p>What I think is tragic for our country is that, in this dreadful time when the chances of a stalled recovery, the chances of a period of deflation, the chances of a lost decade similar to that experienced by Japan still remains the most likely outcome, there is no leader emerging who can build hope, stand for change and inspire us all to believe that together we can turn this country round.</p>
<p>The Saturday night programme on Obama&#8217;s campaign showed that when the American public wanted change, they wanted to be able to identify with their leader.  They wanted that leader to have experienced what they were experiencing, to define his own journey as that of the journey of the country itself and the citizens of the country themselves.</p>
<p>Compare this quote from Obama to the American public with Nick today, &#8220;I am asking you to believe.    Not just in my ability to bring real change to Washington &#8230; I am asking you to believe in yours.&#8221;   Phew!  That is change with the people and not for the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Aloysius St</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Aloysius St</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Clegg, the leader of the hot air balloon Liberal Democrats, is having to jettison policies fast. Are we uncovering a new definition of &#039;lightweight&#039;?

http://www.politics.co.uk/feature/legal-and-constitutional/comment-clegg-appears-baffled-by-2010-s-challenges-$1352560.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Clegg, the leader of the hot air balloon Liberal Democrats, is having to jettison policies fast. Are we uncovering a new definition of &#8216;lightweight&#8217;?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politics.co.uk/feature/legal-and-constitutional/comment-clegg-appears-baffled-by-2010-s-challenges-$1352560.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.politics.co.uk/feature/legal-and-constitutional/comment-clegg-appears-baffled-by-2010-s-challenges-$1352560.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly.”

Well then, the party needs to think of a really good answer.

Specifically, one that will make it as hard as possible for the Tories in Lib Dem marginals to say: “The Lib Dems will keep Gordon Brown in Number 10″.

Here&#039;s a good answer.  Don&#039;t pretend that a hung parliament isn&#039;t a probability.  It&#039;s far more likely than a Lib Dem victory.  Avoiding the question everyone is asking isn&#039;t &quot;treating people like grown-ups&quot;!

Demonstrate that we&#039;re willing to be co-operative with whoever wins, but that we&#039;re not going to do any deals ahead of the election and that we&#039;re not going to prop up a failing government.  Say, as David Steel did in 1987, that the new PM will be the leader of the party with the most seats and that our party will only be supportive of that party in the event of a hung parliament if (a) we hold the balance of power and (b) certain concessions are made on policy direction.

This is why Clegg needs to hold onto his best cards and his most unique policies  - as bargaining tools.  That does not mean that we should be unrealistic in how we hope to achieve them, but it&#039;s going to be pretty hard to sit down with prospective coalition partners arguing for our way on certain issues if those issues are sidelined or omitted from our manifesto.

Clegg has to be aware of how his comments are likely to be perceived by the public (i.e. prospective voters).  As Geoffrey Payne points out, he clearly wants to turn the party into a tax-cutting party, which is not my idea of how the Lib Dems should be lpresenting itself to the public.  We&#039;re not soft Tories, we&#039;re Liberals and Democrats.

I think Nick Clegg should sit down with Jim Wallace whose experience of leading a credible Lib Dem group into effective partnership in Scotland has shown what can be achieved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly.”</p>
<p>Well then, the party needs to think of a really good answer.</p>
<p>Specifically, one that will make it as hard as possible for the Tories in Lib Dem marginals to say: “The Lib Dems will keep Gordon Brown in Number 10″.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good answer.  Don&#8217;t pretend that a hung parliament isn&#8217;t a probability.  It&#8217;s far more likely than a Lib Dem victory.  Avoiding the question everyone is asking isn&#8217;t &#8220;treating people like grown-ups&#8221;!</p>
<p>Demonstrate that we&#8217;re willing to be co-operative with whoever wins, but that we&#8217;re not going to do any deals ahead of the election and that we&#8217;re not going to prop up a failing government.  Say, as David Steel did in 1987, that the new PM will be the leader of the party with the most seats and that our party will only be supportive of that party in the event of a hung parliament if (a) we hold the balance of power and (b) certain concessions are made on policy direction.</p>
<p>This is why Clegg needs to hold onto his best cards and his most unique policies  &#8211; as bargaining tools.  That does not mean that we should be unrealistic in how we hope to achieve them, but it&#8217;s going to be pretty hard to sit down with prospective coalition partners arguing for our way on certain issues if those issues are sidelined or omitted from our manifesto.</p>
<p>Clegg has to be aware of how his comments are likely to be perceived by the public (i.e. prospective voters).  As Geoffrey Payne points out, he clearly wants to turn the party into a tax-cutting party, which is not my idea of how the Lib Dems should be lpresenting itself to the public.  We&#8217;re not soft Tories, we&#8217;re Liberals and Democrats.</p>
<p>I think Nick Clegg should sit down with Jim Wallace whose experience of leading a credible Lib Dem group into effective partnership in Scotland has shown what can be achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill le Breton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill le Breton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoffrey, he has never hidden the fact that he wants our Party to be a &#039;tax cutting party&#039;.    That would have been obvious had David  included in his clip from the BBC interview this revealing sentence:
&quot;Sources told the BBC the decision to downgrade key commitments to long term aspirations involved &quot;difficult&quot; conversations with senior Lib Dems and a &quot;Herculean struggle&quot; on Mr Clegg&#039;s part. &quot;  Hey what a hero!
&quot;Sources said/told&quot; is the spin and this spin is the old spin of the Leader getting tough with his wayward troups - in this case those wayward  &#039;tax and spending&#039; troops, whose policies caused us to do so &#039;badly&#039; in 2005.
Would someone from the Policy Committee say whether they knew these policies were to be dropped?
How many of our MPs are already on the record putting their names to these now former party policy pledges?
You don&#039;t win/defend our marginals by being further to the right than the Tories.
What people want is a message of hope - of change they can believe in.  But then you&#039;d have to be a master campaigner to spread that message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey, he has never hidden the fact that he wants our Party to be a &#8216;tax cutting party&#8217;.    That would have been obvious had David  included in his clip from the BBC interview this revealing sentence:<br />
&#8220;Sources told the BBC the decision to downgrade key commitments to long term aspirations involved &#8220;difficult&#8221; conversations with senior Lib Dems and a &#8220;Herculean struggle&#8221; on Mr Clegg&#8217;s part. &#8221;  Hey what a hero!<br />
&#8220;Sources said/told&#8221; is the spin and this spin is the old spin of the Leader getting tough with his wayward troups &#8211; in this case those wayward  &#8216;tax and spending&#8217; troops, whose policies caused us to do so &#8216;badly&#8217; in 2005.<br />
Would someone from the Policy Committee say whether they knew these policies were to be dropped?<br />
How many of our MPs are already on the record putting their names to these now former party policy pledges?<br />
You don&#8217;t win/defend our marginals by being further to the right than the Tories.<br />
What people want is a message of hope &#8211; of change they can believe in.  But then you&#8217;d have to be a master campaigner to spread that message.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well played, Mr Clegg.  Presumably if one party got 2m more votes but one seat less then votes would decide who got the &#039;clear mandate&#039;, whereas if a party got 20 more seats but only 1 more vote then seats would be the key factor.  I&#039;m not sure what else Mr Clegg can do short of spending the next 6 months producing detailed tables trading-off vote leads against seat leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well played, Mr Clegg.  Presumably if one party got 2m more votes but one seat less then votes would decide who got the &#8216;clear mandate&#8217;, whereas if a party got 20 more seats but only 1 more vote then seats would be the key factor.  I&#8217;m not sure what else Mr Clegg can do short of spending the next 6 months producing detailed tables trading-off vote leads against seat leads.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BBC take on it.

Nick Clegg has confirmed the recession means the Lib Dems will have to shelve some of their best-known policies in a speech on his election &quot;priorities&quot;. 

Extending free childcare, free personal care for the elderly and a &quot;citizen&#039;s pension&quot; would have to be &quot;put on hold&quot; and tuition fees ended over six years. 
But he said he could not &quot;predict the future&quot; and could only outline the core values his party would retain &quot;in any situation&quot;. 

Those were &quot;a complete change in the tax system&quot; - the Lib Dems have pledged to raise the starting rate at which people pay tax to £10,000 and more one-to-one tuition and small class sizes at primary school. 

He also said he wanted a &quot;revamped economy weaned off the fascination with the City of London&quot; - with more emphasis on infrastructure and green technology and a &quot;new politics&quot; - reducing the number of MPs by 150, getting &quot;big money&quot; out of politics and changing the voting system. 

He said the days of &quot;shopping lists&quot; of spending pledges were over so his party could focus on priorities like schools. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8450863.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBC take on it.</p>
<p>Nick Clegg has confirmed the recession means the Lib Dems will have to shelve some of their best-known policies in a speech on his election &#8220;priorities&#8221;. </p>
<p>Extending free childcare, free personal care for the elderly and a &#8220;citizen&#8217;s pension&#8221; would have to be &#8220;put on hold&#8221; and tuition fees ended over six years.<br />
But he said he could not &#8220;predict the future&#8221; and could only outline the core values his party would retain &#8220;in any situation&#8221;. </p>
<p>Those were &#8220;a complete change in the tax system&#8221; &#8211; the Lib Dems have pledged to raise the starting rate at which people pay tax to £10,000 and more one-to-one tuition and small class sizes at primary school. </p>
<p>He also said he wanted a &#8220;revamped economy weaned off the fascination with the City of London&#8221; &#8211; with more emphasis on infrastructure and green technology and a &#8220;new politics&#8221; &#8211; reducing the number of MPs by 150, getting &#8220;big money&#8221; out of politics and changing the voting system. </p>
<p>He said the days of &#8220;shopping lists&#8221; of spending pledges were over so his party could focus on priorities like schools. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8450863.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8450863.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there a chance that that speech could be edited into readable paragraphs with linebreaks? A speech formatted for an autocue looks awful reprinted elsewhere and brings readability down when posted somewhere online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a chance that that speech could be edited into readable paragraphs with linebreaks? A speech formatted for an autocue looks awful reprinted elsewhere and brings readability down when posted somewhere online.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to type &quot;Roy Jenkins&quot; in my previous message</description>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for fiscal policy there are 2 narratives.
The first is fair enough. all political parties will have to make difficult decisions on public spending and cuts will have to be made. Although there is debate about when this should happen. Do it too quickly and you get a double dip recession. Delay it until the extra revenue from economic growth kicks in. But the danger is that in the meantime the credit rating of the UK becomes downgraded, the cost of borrowing goes up and you get a vicious circle.
So hard choices to be made here.
The other narrative is that all along Nick Clegg did not like the &quot;tax and spend&quot; position of the Liberal Democrats at the last general election. He wants the party to be a tax cutting party.
This path I do not approve of. Public services in many Eu countries are better than our ours because they put in the investment. This kind of positioning actually makes us more the the other 2 parties, and shows a lack of vision. As the late Roy Kenknis used to remark, you can&#039;t have European standard public services with US levels of taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for fiscal policy there are 2 narratives.<br />
The first is fair enough. all political parties will have to make difficult decisions on public spending and cuts will have to be made. Although there is debate about when this should happen. Do it too quickly and you get a double dip recession. Delay it until the extra revenue from economic growth kicks in. But the danger is that in the meantime the credit rating of the UK becomes downgraded, the cost of borrowing goes up and you get a vicious circle.<br />
So hard choices to be made here.<br />
The other narrative is that all along Nick Clegg did not like the &#8220;tax and spend&#8221; position of the Liberal Democrats at the last general election. He wants the party to be a tax cutting party.<br />
This path I do not approve of. Public services in many Eu countries are better than our ours because they put in the investment. This kind of positioning actually makes us more the the other 2 parties, and shows a lack of vision. As the late Roy Kenknis used to remark, you can&#8217;t have European standard public services with US levels of taxation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them keep asking about Hung Parliaments, as long as he sticks to saying the truth which is that he&#039;s going to do what&#039;s in the interest of his voters and the greater wishes of the voting public, then he&#039;s not going to come out of it looking bad.

Very good speech, and I&#039;d say excellent positioning. It&#039;s interesting that there is a gap to be exploited thanks to the rather childish &quot;class war&quot; focus of Labour and &quot;incompetence&quot; focus of the Tories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let them keep asking about Hung Parliaments, as long as he sticks to saying the truth which is that he&#8217;s going to do what&#8217;s in the interest of his voters and the greater wishes of the voting public, then he&#8217;s not going to come out of it looking bad.</p>
<p>Very good speech, and I&#8217;d say excellent positioning. It&#8217;s interesting that there is a gap to be exploited thanks to the rather childish &#8220;class war&#8221; focus of Labour and &#8220;incompetence&#8221; focus of the Tories.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Aloysius St</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Aloysius St</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly.&quot;

Well then, the party needs to think of a really good answer.

Specifically, one that will make it as hard as possible for the Tories in Lib Dem marginals to say: &quot;The Lib Dems will keep Gordon Brown in Number 10&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well then, the party needs to think of a really good answer.</p>
<p>Specifically, one that will make it as hard as possible for the Tories in Lib Dem marginals to say: &#8220;The Lib Dems will keep Gordon Brown in Number 10&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Suffield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Suffield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What will you do in the event of a hung parliament?&quot;
&quot;I consider it to be up to whoever wins the most seats to decide what to do in this situation. If approached, here&#039;s how I will make the decision...&quot;
&quot;But who&#039;s it going to be, Cameron or Brown?&quot;
&quot;What do you think I am, the Pythia?&quot;

I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly. Stupidity knows no bounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What will you do in the event of a hung parliament?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I consider it to be up to whoever wins the most seats to decide what to do in this situation. If approached, here&#8217;s how I will make the decision&#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But who&#8217;s it going to be, Cameron or Brown?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;What do you think I am, the Pythia?&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that all the evidence suggests these questions are not going to go away, and will continue to be repeated endlessly. Stupidity knows no bounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Hanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony - have you asked the other parties what they will do if there&#039;s a hung parliament?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony &#8211; have you asked the other parties what they will do if there&#8217;s a hung parliament?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as possible future coalitions are concerned, it is not up to Nick Clegg to decide what is possible. That depends on how people vote, and how flexible the other party leaders are prepared to be when negotiating with us.
It is up to Nick Clegg to negotiate the best deal on behalf of everyone who voted for the Liberal Democrats. The same applies to the other party leaders on behalf of their parties. So at this moment in time it is impossible to say what could happen. From our point of view we have to make it clear that we are prpared not to go into coalition if we do not get our way on some issues.
I would suggest proportional representation is top of the list, together with radical action to tackle global warming. We should emphasise policies that will cut the budget deficit, such as not replacing Trident, a partial withdraw from Afghanistan (as supported by Rory Stewart, who will be a Conservative MP after the next general election) and rejecting national ID cards.
I would also like to see us push the EU into having a more constructive relationship with the Palestinians - this is a key foreign policy issue that Obama is not making any headway.
The economy is also key, a double dip recession is a real possibility in 2010. We should insist Vince is chancellor, who else can do the job?
This scratches the surface of course, there is a lot more that can be said on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as possible future coalitions are concerned, it is not up to Nick Clegg to decide what is possible. That depends on how people vote, and how flexible the other party leaders are prepared to be when negotiating with us.<br />
It is up to Nick Clegg to negotiate the best deal on behalf of everyone who voted for the Liberal Democrats. The same applies to the other party leaders on behalf of their parties. So at this moment in time it is impossible to say what could happen. From our point of view we have to make it clear that we are prpared not to go into coalition if we do not get our way on some issues.<br />
I would suggest proportional representation is top of the list, together with radical action to tackle global warming. We should emphasise policies that will cut the budget deficit, such as not replacing Trident, a partial withdraw from Afghanistan (as supported by Rory Stewart, who will be a Conservative MP after the next general election) and rejecting national ID cards.<br />
I would also like to see us push the EU into having a more constructive relationship with the Palestinians &#8211; this is a key foreign policy issue that Obama is not making any headway.<br />
The economy is also key, a double dip recession is a real possibility in 2010. We should insist Vince is chancellor, who else can do the job?<br />
This scratches the surface of course, there is a lot more that can be said on this.</p>
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