Comments on: Who has been impersonating Norman Lamb MP online? http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Norfolk Blogger http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28097 Norfolk Blogger Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:07:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28097 Note everyone that Mark Pack has highlighted on his latest post about this subhject that Shane Cruise is the same person and has the same IP address as Mary, Sarah, Jason and Grace as well as anonymous, who have all posted on this subject. Note everyone that Mark Pack has highlighted on his latest post about this subhject that Shane Cruise is the same person and has the same IP address as Mary, Sarah, Jason and Grace as well as anonymous, who have all posted on this subject.

]]> By: Shane Cruise http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28076 Shane Cruise Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:17:35 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28076 Harry is right not to give out someone's IP address on a forum website. The best we can do is take his word for it is that the person of one e-mail is the same as another who wrote on Norman Lamb's wikipedia page. I think Mary Samson is right though that sometimes you want to write something positive about someone on a Wikipedia page, but those who setup the page delete it because they don't like someone writing on the page stuff which looks too positively personal. Also the person who setup the page may want complete control. Harry is right not to give out someone’s IP address on a forum website. The best we can do is take his word for it is that the person of one e-mail is the same as another who wrote on Norman Lamb’s wikipedia page.

I think Mary Samson is right though that sometimes you want to write something positive about someone on a Wikipedia page, but those who setup the page delete it because they don’t like someone writing on the page stuff which looks too positively personal. Also the person who setup the page may want complete control.

]]> By: Harry J http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28063 Harry J Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:17:03 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28063 To answer Grace Clarke's IF statement. Yes I used IF as a qualifier because my original theory required have both replies from both emails, but as I only got one I cannot say what the other was. I have no idea whether it was the same or different. therefore, IF they were the same then true, IF not, then not. Simply, i'm not going to give out someone's IP address on a public forum, as it is literally the address of their own computer. Just do some research - Go to Norman Lamb's wikipedia page and have a look at the history. You will see a list of all the previous entries to the page. The IP address I have from the email is the same as the one that posted extensively in April and once at 14:54 on August 9th. You can then all have a look at the entries and decide for yourselves. To clarify some butter, I am neither a Lamb fan or foe, and in fact had never heard of him until I stumbled upon this post a week ago. I have no idea who is correct about him. I personally don't think this is some conspiracy by conservative central to bring down the mighty lamb reich, but neither do I think it some double-double bluff by a lamb worker. From what I have seen, Occam's razor still rules: Someone just doesn't like how Norman lamb has done things and wanted to have a bit of fun. To answer Grace Clarke’s IF statement. Yes I used IF as a qualifier because my original theory required have both replies from both emails, but as I only got one I cannot say what the other was. I have no idea whether it was the same or different. therefore, IF they were the same then true, IF not, then not.

Simply, i’m not going to give out someone’s IP address on a public forum, as it is literally the address of their own computer. Just do some research – Go to Norman Lamb’s wikipedia page and have a look at the history. You will see a list of all the previous entries to the page. The IP address I have from the email is the same as the one that posted extensively in April and once at 14:54 on August 9th. You can then all have a look at the entries and decide for yourselves.

To clarify some butter, I am neither a Lamb fan or foe, and in fact had never heard of him until I stumbled upon this post a week ago. I have no idea who is correct about him. I personally don’t think this is some conspiracy by conservative central to bring down the mighty lamb reich, but neither do I think it some double-double bluff by a lamb worker. From what I have seen, Occam’s razor still rules: Someone just doesn’t like how Norman lamb has done things and wanted to have a bit of fun.

]]> By: Mary Samson http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28046 Mary Samson Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:00:33 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28046 I reckon the fan was blocked from Norman's wikipedia for just editing it. I reckon many IPs have been blocked from that website for well intentioned reasons as well as sinister ones. Quite often the person who setup the page does not want others having control too. Even positive information should be released at a later date so politicians popularity does not dip after a sudden peak. I think we Liberals want to believe it was the Tories, but I honestly think they have more sense believe it or not. I reckon the fan was blocked from Norman’s wikipedia for just editing it. I reckon many IPs have been blocked from that website for well intentioned reasons as well as sinister ones. Quite often the person who setup the page does not want others having control too. Even positive information should be released at a later date so politicians popularity does not dip after a sudden peak.

I think we Liberals want to believe it was the Tories, but I honestly think they have more sense believe it or not.

]]> By: Sarah Makepeace http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28029 Sarah Makepeace Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:22:30 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28029 “I’m afraid what is written about me is true.” At first sight it sounds like not a fan. However as a psychologist I can tell you maybe just maybe the fan realises that there is evidence out there which could be used against Norman Lamb and therefore felt it was better to confess to the accusations. By confessing the fan makes Norman look more honest and reduces the mistrust which the group inspires. Also it makes it appear that Norman Lamb is out there working very hard for the constituency when it appears he knows there is dangerous evidence out there against him. By the way what I have said above is just a theory. It's a theory as much as everyone else's explanation. “I’m afraid what is written about me is true.”

At first sight it sounds like not a fan. However as a psychologist I can tell you maybe just maybe the fan realises that there is evidence out there which could be used against Norman Lamb and therefore felt it was better to confess to the accusations. By confessing the fan makes Norman look more honest and reduces the mistrust which the group inspires. Also it makes it appear that Norman Lamb is out there working very hard for the constituency when it appears he knows there is dangerous evidence out there against him.

By the way what I have said above is just a theory. It’s a theory as much as everyone else’s explanation.

]]> By: Grace Clarke http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28027 Grace Clarke Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:58:49 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28027 'hotmail emails hold the original sender’s IP address in the file header information so IF the two were the same, then they were sent from the same computer.' May I point out Harry used the word if in the bit I quoted. We still haven't been told what the IP address is. ‘hotmail emails hold the original sender’s IP address in the file header information so IF the two were the same, then they were sent from the same computer.’

May I point out Harry used the word if in the bit I quoted.

We still haven’t been told what the IP address is.

]]> By: Jason Anyassor http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28022 Jason Anyassor Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:21:20 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28022 Anonymous is probably right about someone who did not like Lamb or Ivory. However I reckon its more likely to be for political reasons. I don't understand why we are naturally pointing at the Tories. If we do we are conceding they are a real political threat in North Norfolk. Wouldn't surprise me if Labour played this cheap trick. The Daily Mirror had an insider in the Tories. Daily Mirror has connections to Labour. Maybe they are trying to destroy two political candidates in one act but at least failed with Norman. Anonymous is probably right about someone who did not like Lamb or Ivory. However I reckon its more likely to be for political reasons. I don’t understand why we are naturally pointing at the Tories. If we do we are conceding they are a real political threat in North Norfolk. Wouldn’t surprise me if Labour played this cheap trick. The Daily Mirror had an insider in the Tories. Daily Mirror has connections to Labour. Maybe they are trying to destroy two political candidates in one act but at least failed with Norman.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28021 Anonymous Sun, 19 Aug 2007 17:08:22 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28021 I reckon it was someone who disliked both Norman Lamb and Trevor Ivory. Maybe they wanted to stitch up Norman in the short run and then when news of the fake profile came out could pin it on Ivory. It could have been someone disappointed by both with no party ties maybe. I reckon it was someone who disliked both Norman Lamb and Trevor Ivory. Maybe they wanted to stitch up Norman in the short run and then when news of the fake profile came out could pin it on Ivory. It could have been someone disappointed by both with no party ties maybe.

]]> By: Harry J http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28017 Harry J Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:52:45 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28017 Anonymous may well be correct about the creation of the group in April, however vast edits were made to it on august 9th by the creator. That could of course be a response to the Norman Lamb profile going up but still it seems to me that the norman lamb profile originally came from someone without a liking for norman lamb. Anonymous may well be correct about the creation of the group in April, however vast edits were made to it on august 9th by the creator. That could of course be a response to the Norman Lamb profile going up but still it seems to me that the norman lamb profile originally came from someone without a liking for norman lamb.

]]> By: Harry J http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28016 Harry J Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:49:23 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28016 Again, a lovely idea, but at least from my end, the facts don't add up. When I saw this post last Monday I wanted to have a look at the group on facebook. When i went there, the profile no longer existed, but there was a Norman Lamb accountability society. Having looked at the screenshots of the original profile on here i noticed a couple of similarities between the two and wondered whether there was anyway to confirm it. I sent an email to each of the two email addresses, both times purporting to be someone who was outraged at Mr Lambs activities as reported in the accountability group. both email addresses were hotmail accounts and hotmail emails hold the original sender's IP address in the file header information so if the two were the same, then they were sent from the same computer. A couple of days later I received an email from norman_lamb@hotmail.co.uk stating: "I'm afraid what is written about me is true." A strange statement if this is indeed a lamb fan. I tried to trace the IP address but got no further than that the network provider was a company in Ipswich. I then tried my luck at a google search of the address and the only page that came back was a cached wikipedia page showing how this IP address had been blocked for constantly adding derogatory point-of-view statements to Norman Lamb's profile. Therefore it seems that whoever this person is, they are not a fan of Mr Lamb. The email sent to the other email address was never returned so unfortunately I can't confirm my first theory that they are one and the same. However, as I said previously, the last wikipedia entry and the two groups were all created on the 9th August so it seems unlikely that all were created independently. Perhaps both Alex and Charlotte are correct and this is a stunt gone wrong but the facts, at least as far as a I can see them, point to someone without a Norman Lamb connection. Again, a lovely idea, but at least from my end, the facts don’t add up. When I saw this post last Monday I wanted to have a look at the group on facebook. When i went there, the profile no longer existed, but there was a Norman Lamb accountability society. Having looked at the screenshots of the original profile on here i noticed a couple of similarities between the two and wondered whether there was anyway to confirm it. I sent an email to each of the two email addresses, both times purporting to be someone who was outraged at Mr Lambs activities as reported in the accountability group. both email addresses were hotmail accounts and hotmail emails hold the original sender’s IP address in the file header information so if the two were the same, then they were sent from the same computer. A couple of days later I received an email from stating: “I’m afraid what is written about me is true.” A strange statement if this is indeed a lamb fan. I tried to trace the IP address but got no further than that the network provider was a company in Ipswich. I then tried my luck at a google search of the address and the only page that came back was a cached wikipedia page showing how this IP address had been blocked for constantly adding derogatory point-of-view statements to Norman Lamb’s profile. Therefore it seems that whoever this person is, they are not a fan of Mr Lamb. The email sent to the other email address was never returned so unfortunately I can’t confirm my first theory that they are one and the same. However, as I said previously, the last wikipedia entry and the two groups were all created on the 9th August so it seems unlikely that all were created independently.

Perhaps both Alex and Charlotte are correct and this is a stunt gone wrong but the facts, at least as far as a I can see them, point to someone without a Norman Lamb connection.

]]> By: Graeme http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28015 Graeme Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:47:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28015 18: Ah, one of these Earth "females" I've heard so much about. 19: What necessary evidence is missing? The Facebook group was set up from an email address belonging to someone who made negative edits to Norman's Wikipedia page, which heavily indicates that they are not a Norman fan. What part of that do you dispute? 18: Ah, one of these Earth “females” I’ve heard so much about.

19: What necessary evidence is missing? The Facebook group was set up from an email address belonging to someone who made negative edits to Norman’s Wikipedia page, which heavily indicates that they are not a Norman fan. What part of that do you dispute?

]]> By: Alex Solomon http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28014 Alex Solomon Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:45:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28014 I'm just looking at all the evidence. The Tories want to end their negative perception and I have heard them say they will just ignore the Liberals. People have been telling me the Tories don't want to get involved in sleaze politics because it's wrong and more importantly they would not get away with it. This IP address story has been made without the necessary evidence. I have to presume the Tories innocent until proven guilty. Otherwise I am not on a liberal website! I’m just looking at all the evidence. The Tories want to end their negative perception and I have heard them say they will just ignore the Liberals. People have been telling me the Tories don’t want to get involved in sleaze politics because it’s wrong and more importantly they would not get away with it.

This IP address story has been made without the necessary evidence. I have to presume the Tories innocent until proven guilty. Otherwise I am not on a liberal website!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28013 Anonymous Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:36:44 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28013 “Norman Lamb accountability society” has been on Facebook since April. I know because a female invited me to join then. “Norman Lamb accountability society” has been on Facebook since April. I know because a female invited me to join then.

]]> By: Graeme http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28012 Graeme Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:30:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28012 Every comment from a new commenter proclaiming the Tories' innocence just encourages me to think it was a Tory behind this... Alex, how do you explain that the person behind the norman_lamb hotmail address made numerous negative edits to Wikipedia? Every comment from a new commenter proclaiming the Tories’ innocence just encourages me to think it was a Tory behind this…

Alex, how do you explain that the person behind the norman_lamb hotmail address made numerous negative edits to Wikipedia?

]]> By: Alex Solomon http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28011 Alex Solomon Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:18:41 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28011 Charlotte Steels I think has got it right. I reckon the IP address story is mistaken rather than misleading. I think perhaps someone saw someone was trying to target Mr Lamb and an activist was responding to it by setting up a group and a profile to show Lamb has massive support. I can't see the Tories gaining from setting up a group in favour of Norman Lamb. Absolutely no gain at all. Charlotte Steels I think has got it right. I reckon the IP address story is mistaken rather than misleading. I think perhaps someone saw someone was trying to target Mr Lamb and an activist was responding to it by setting up a group and a profile to show Lamb has massive support. I can’t see the Tories gaining from setting up a group in favour of Norman Lamb. Absolutely no gain at all.

]]> By: Norfolk Blogger http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28008 Norfolk Blogger Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:32:00 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28008 Charlotte Steele writes utter rubbish. It is, of course, logical for the Tories to kick up a lot of fuss claiming it is some sort of Lib Dem "sting", but the facts don't bare that out and if she knew all the facts, particularly what harry said about IP addresses, she would shut up[ and go away. Alternatively she's stop making allegations against Norman's staff, which in itself are libellous, and apologise. Charlotte Steele writes utter rubbish.

It is, of course, logical for the Tories to kick up a lot of fuss claiming it is some sort of Lib Dem “sting”, but the facts don’t bare that out and if she knew all the facts, particularly what harry said about IP addresses, she would shut up[ and go away. Alternatively she’s stop making allegations against Norman’s staff, which in itself are libellous, and apologise.

]]> By: Harry J http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28006 Harry J Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:08:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-28006 Nice idea but the person that set up the group using the norman_lamb@hotmail.co.uk email address has an identical IP address to a person who vandalised Norman Lamb's wikipedia page adding POV comments about campaigning and local issues. The same person also added a link from the wikipedia page to a facebook group called "Norman Lamb accountability society" which is essentially a mouthpiece for someone that doesn't like Mr Lamb. The original Norman lamb profile, the accountability society and the wikipedia link where all created on or near August 9th, so presumably they all come from either the same person or group of people. Nice idea but the person that set up the group using the email address has an identical IP address to a person who vandalised Norman Lamb’s wikipedia page adding POV comments about campaigning and local issues. The same person also added a link from the wikipedia page to a facebook group called “Norman Lamb accountability society” which is essentially a mouthpiece for someone that doesn’t like Mr Lamb. The original Norman lamb profile, the accountability society and the wikipedia link where all created on or near August 9th, so presumably they all come from either the same person or group of people.

]]> By: Charlotte Steels http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-27962 Charlotte Steels Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:16:20 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-27962 When I say supporter I mean a closet supporter who Norman Lamb didn't know about. Norman is a role model for some you know. When I say supporter I mean a closet supporter who Norman Lamb didn’t know about. Norman is a role model for some you know.

]]> By: Charlotte Steels http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-27961 Charlotte Steels Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:14:53 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-27961 The group looks very positive. I bet it was setup by a supporter of Norman Lamb who wanted to get a lot of support for him and then when Norman noticed the profile could take over. I reckon pretending to be Norman was a way to get more people joining the group. In terms of the e-mail I reckon most of the e-mails would be forwarded to Norman himself. So I reckon this person was an assistant of Norman Lamb. I bet the Tory reference was just so Norman could show he was not scared of his rival. I think everyone has missed the point and tried to pin it on the Tories. I think its a shame when I always thought politics in North Norfolk was positive. The group looks very positive. I bet it was setup by a supporter of Norman Lamb who wanted to get a lot of support for him and then when Norman noticed the profile could take over. I reckon pretending to be Norman was a way to get more people joining the group. In terms of the e-mail I reckon most of the e-mails would be forwarded to Norman himself. So I reckon this person was an assistant of Norman Lamb.

I bet the Tory reference was just so Norman could show he was not scared of his rival. I think everyone has missed the point and tried to pin it on the Tories. I think its a shame when I always thought politics in North Norfolk was positive.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-27864 anonymous Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:40:28 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/norman-lamb-1168.html#comment-27864 Why did anyone ever even entertain the "1234" idea? The minimum password length is 6 digits! Why did anyone ever even entertain the “1234″ idea? The minimum password length is 6 digits!

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