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	<title>Comments on: Official: BBC Question Time’s pro-Tory bias</title>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/official-bbc-question-times-protory-bias-2163.html#comment-40500</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sanbikiniwossname &quot;average tax burden&quot; is hard to define.  Given income tax rates and NI, 35% of income may be about right, but she also nearly doubled VAT to 15% from 8% and was a strong believer in indirect taxation.

But Jennie&#039;s right, the amount taken as a %age of GDP (which is the only sane measure) has creeped up slightly under Labour but not that much, its remained in the low 40% range for ages.

Laurence is right, ideally we&#039;d have a small state without a large tax burden, and tere are undoubtedly savings that could be made.  But Thatcher didn&#039;t manage it, Major didn&#039;t manage it and Blair didn&#039;t manage it.  Brown isn&#039;t bothering from what I can see.

It&#039;s who, how and what is taxed that really matters, combined with making sure money isn&#039;t being wasted.  Once you&#039;ve got that right, then you can look to reduce the burden, the current centralised system is undoubtedly horribly wrong, so that would need to be the top priority. In my oh-so-very-humble opinion, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sanbikiniwossname &#8220;average tax burden&#8221; is hard to define.  Given income tax rates and NI, 35% of income may be about right, but she also nearly doubled VAT to 15% from 8% and was a strong believer in indirect taxation.</p>
<p>But Jennie&#8217;s right, the amount taken as a %age of GDP (which is the only sane measure) has creeped up slightly under Labour but not that much, its remained in the low 40% range for ages.</p>
<p>Laurence is right, ideally we&#8217;d have a small state without a large tax burden, and tere are undoubtedly savings that could be made.  But Thatcher didn&#8217;t manage it, Major didn&#8217;t manage it and Blair didn&#8217;t manage it.  Brown isn&#8217;t bothering from what I can see.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s who, how and what is taxed that really matters, combined with making sure money isn&#8217;t being wasted.  Once you&#8217;ve got that right, then you can look to reduce the burden, the current centralised system is undoubtedly horribly wrong, so that would need to be the top priority. In my oh-so-very-humble opinion, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have sworn I read something just the other week that the average tax burden under Maggie was ~35%. Don&#039;t recall where, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have sworn I read something just the other week that the average tax burden under Maggie was ~35%. Don&#8217;t recall where, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/official-bbc-question-times-protory-bias-2163.html#comment-40438</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;maybe we should be different from the two main political parties&quot;

That would be wonderful: a truly different political party. I&#039;m not holding my breath for it to happen, though ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;maybe we should be different from the two main political parties&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be wonderful: a truly different political party. I&#8217;m not holding my breath for it to happen, though <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, that&#039;s interesting - I didn&#039;t know that. Well maybe we should be different from the two main political parties, and genuinely head for a low(er) tax economy! But in the abstract, is Nick Clegg not in fact heeding my advice? Is he not tacking to the right with the occasional shimmy to the left? It feels a bit like that . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, that&#8217;s interesting &#8211; I didn&#8217;t know that. Well maybe we should be different from the two main political parties, and genuinely head for a low(er) tax economy! But in the abstract, is Nick Clegg not in fact heeding my advice? Is he not tacking to the right with the occasional shimmy to the left? It feels a bit like that . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The percentage of GDP garnered in tax (somewhere between 40 and 45%) has barely changed for the last several decades, Lawrence, it&#039;s just who gets taxed that varies. Yes, it&#039;s slightly up at the moment, but in the grand scheme of things &quot;low tax&quot; and &quot;high tax&quot; are and have always been mostly posturing from the main two political parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The percentage of GDP garnered in tax (somewhere between 40 and 45%) has barely changed for the last several decades, Lawrence, it&#8217;s just who gets taxed that varies. Yes, it&#8217;s slightly up at the moment, but in the grand scheme of things &#8220;low tax&#8221; and &#8220;high tax&#8221; are and have always been mostly posturing from the main two political parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, this is a bit wafflely, but . . .

There are a number of ways of defining left and right, the overall concept being a summation of them all I suppose. But the economic dimension remains key, and always will in my view. So the simplest and crudest scheme would be to define the economic left-right spectrum in terms of tax levied as a percentage of GDP. I am fairly clear in my mind that as a party we should be indicating a &lt;i&gt;direction of travel&lt;/i&gt; along this line to the right. We should be clearly stating that the destination point for Liberal Democrats should be a low tax, small state, economy.

But it can&#039;t be accomplished overnight. This is what ought to distinguish us from the Conservatives. There are plenty in that party who wish to slash taxation to a bare minimum straight away. The result is that many would find themselves in the deep end, and some would drown. That&#039;s why they&#039;re called the nasty party. By contrast, we should not be forcing the pace of change unduly. Broadly speaking, we will move gradually towards a low tax economy, as and when the country is ready for it.

We will, of course, reject social conservatism utterly. Why anyone in their right mind would want to set &lt;i&gt;money&lt;/i&gt; free, but not &lt;i&gt;people&lt;/i&gt; free . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this is a bit wafflely, but . . .</p>
<p>There are a number of ways of defining left and right, the overall concept being a summation of them all I suppose. But the economic dimension remains key, and always will in my view. So the simplest and crudest scheme would be to define the economic left-right spectrum in terms of tax levied as a percentage of GDP. I am fairly clear in my mind that as a party we should be indicating a <i>direction of travel</i> along this line to the right. We should be clearly stating that the destination point for Liberal Democrats should be a low tax, small state, economy.</p>
<p>But it can&#8217;t be accomplished overnight. This is what ought to distinguish us from the Conservatives. There are plenty in that party who wish to slash taxation to a bare minimum straight away. The result is that many would find themselves in the deep end, and some would drown. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re called the nasty party. By contrast, we should not be forcing the pace of change unduly. Broadly speaking, we will move gradually towards a low tax economy, as and when the country is ready for it.</p>
<p>We will, of course, reject social conservatism utterly. Why anyone in their right mind would want to set <i>money</i> free, but not <i>people</i> free . . .</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurence?  Define &quot;left&quot;.  Then define &quot;right&quot;  Then explain how some mainstream commentators think we&#039;re extremely left wing and others think we&#039;re too right wing, sometimes at the same time?

Left and Right in economic terms is a fairly meaningless and amorphous concept anyway, especially in todays world, much better to talk about liberal policies around choice, freedom and markets and let people accept the policies for what they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence?  Define &#8220;left&#8221;.  Then define &#8220;right&#8221;  Then explain how some mainstream commentators think we&#8217;re extremely left wing and others think we&#8217;re too right wing, sometimes at the same time?</p>
<p>Left and Right in economic terms is a fairly meaningless and amorphous concept anyway, especially in todays world, much better to talk about liberal policies around choice, freedom and markets and let people accept the policies for what they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Au contraire Roger, I would say that it is the Conservatives who are going to be in some trouble for the medium to long term. Our job is therefore to capitalise on their decline. It does mean, however, that as a party we need to tack to the right. Not sure everyone quite gets this yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au contraire Roger, I would say that it is the Conservatives who are going to be in some trouble for the medium to long term. Our job is therefore to capitalise on their decline. It does mean, however, that as a party we need to tack to the right. Not sure everyone quite gets this yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks Sal, I really appreciate that! But if you don&#039;t reveal your identity, then I won&#039;t be able to put a cheque in the post. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks Sal, I really appreciate that! But if you don&#8217;t reveal your identity, then I won&#8217;t be able to put a cheque in the post. <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sal [not B]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sal [not B]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurence Boyce : the voice of reason....yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence Boyce : the voice of reason&#8230;.yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: John Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of dragging this issue beyond it&#039;s utility. No one seems to have mentioned the other bias on QT namely Dimblebores selection of speakers within the panels. He invariably leaves the Lib Dem speaker last and has frequently not asked them to speak at all. As for his personal bias I remember how he quickly changed the subject when someone raised the question of Camerons Bullingdon club group photo.He was of course a member of this bunch of yobs himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of dragging this issue beyond it&#8217;s utility. No one seems to have mentioned the other bias on QT namely Dimblebores selection of speakers within the panels. He invariably leaves the Lib Dem speaker last and has frequently not asked them to speak at all. As for his personal bias I remember how he quickly changed the subject when someone raised the question of Camerons Bullingdon club group photo.He was of course a member of this bunch of yobs himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SalB@8

It will be interesting to see if the makeup of the panel and the audience reflects the political strength of Lib Dems in Watford. The  purpose of moving QT around is to reflect different views in different areas, after all. 

It didn&#039;t when they went to Oxford... http://bridgetfox.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/question-time/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SalB@8</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if the makeup of the panel and the audience reflects the political strength of Lib Dems in Watford. The  purpose of moving QT around is to reflect different views in different areas, after all. </p>
<p>It didn&#8217;t when they went to Oxford&#8230; <a href="http://bridgetfox.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/question-time/" rel="nofollow">http://bridgetfox.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/question-time/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cassandrina</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/official-bbc-question-times-protory-bias-2163.html#comment-40091</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you realised that your message on the blogosphere lose cogency the longer it goes on?
Tonight I listed to the Moral Maze and realise this is the first time that the panel and chairman do not understand the message from the Archbishop and the issue on hand.
The Party Political System is defunct and needs to be replaced - but we are not mature enough to handle it and have no answers as yet.
Could the Archbishop be the first of the Wise Men to raise their head above the parapet????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you realised that your message on the blogosphere lose cogency the longer it goes on?<br />
Tonight I listed to the Moral Maze and realise this is the first time that the panel and chairman do not understand the message from the Archbishop and the issue on hand.<br />
The Party Political System is defunct and needs to be replaced &#8211; but we are not mature enough to handle it and have no answers as yet.<br />
Could the Archbishop be the first of the Wise Men to raise their head above the parapet????</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just can&#039;t help wondering why this really matters; as only Tories and bores (is the &#039;and&#039; necessary?) seem to watch QT, it&#039;s quite understandable that the makers reflect the opinions of their viewing audience. In more than 30 years canvassing, no one has ever mentioned QT to me on the doorstep. Time to take off your anoracs and get on doorsteping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just can&#8217;t help wondering why this really matters; as only Tories and bores (is the &#8216;and&#8217; necessary?) seem to watch QT, it&#8217;s quite understandable that the makers reflect the opinions of their viewing audience. In more than 30 years canvassing, no one has ever mentioned QT to me on the doorstep. Time to take off your anoracs and get on doorsteping.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She said that conferring a knighthood upon Salman Rushdie was a &quot;mistake.&quot; Not a mistake because his writings are utterly impenetrable (which would have been one thing), but a mistake because the award might be offensive to Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said that conferring a knighthood upon Salman Rushdie was a &#8220;mistake.&#8221; Not a mistake because his writings are utterly impenetrable (which would have been one thing), but a mistake because the award might be offensive to Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Bullingdon Bertie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullingdon Bertie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But won&#039;t this help the Lib Dems, now that Nick Clegg is going to turn them into Tories ? 

I would have thought you would be in favour of this ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But won&#8217;t this help the Lib Dems, now that Nick Clegg is going to turn them into Tories ? </p>
<p>I would have thought you would be in favour of this ?</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did she say?  I&#039;m sure there are other liberals who hate Shirley AND Shami Chakrabarti - though I&#039;m not sure they&#039;ll be able to form an SAO :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What did she say?  I&#8217;m sure there are other liberals who hate Shirley AND Shami Chakrabarti &#8211; though I&#8217;m not sure they&#8217;ll be able to form an SAO <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This week’s Question Time from Watford was meant to have Baroness Shirley Williams on the panel. She has now been replaced by that well-known liberal Melanie Phillips!&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d quite happily never see Baroness Williams on the box again, following her disgraceful opening remarks &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/6227904.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last time around&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This week’s Question Time from Watford was meant to have Baroness Shirley Williams on the panel. She has now been replaced by that well-known liberal Melanie Phillips!</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d quite happily never see Baroness Williams on the box again, following her disgraceful opening remarks <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/question_time/6227904.stm" rel="nofollow">last time around</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if we’ve got at least one and preferably two liberal/libertarian&quot;

That does quite nicely illustrate the problem though.  For example David Starkey might hit some of the libertarian buttons but isn&#039;t really a liberal (though he is very informed, entertaining and would make a superb QT panelist IMO).

It is pretty easy to characterise people as left &amp; right.  Less easy to characterise them as liberal/authoritarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if we’ve got at least one and preferably two liberal/libertarian&#8221;</p>
<p>That does quite nicely illustrate the problem though.  For example David Starkey might hit some of the libertarian buttons but isn&#8217;t really a liberal (though he is very informed, entertaining and would make a superb QT panelist IMO).</p>
<p>It is pretty easy to characterise people as left &amp; right.  Less easy to characterise them as liberal/authoritarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/official-bbc-question-times-protory-bias-2163.html#comment-40073</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat (and others): the point isn&#039;t so much what we try to do, it&#039;s what the BBC is willing to accept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat (and others): the point isn&#8217;t so much what we try to do, it&#8217;s what the BBC is willing to accept.</p>
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