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	<title>Comments on: Opinion: Councillors Commission report &#8211; why it shouldn&#8217;t be ignored</title>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STV (is that really the right system for multi-member wards?)

It wouldn&#039;t be STV without multi member wards.

Does the councillor commission report recomend votes at 16 for all elections or just local elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>STV (is that really the right system for multi-member wards?)</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t be STV without multi member wards.</p>
<p>Does the councillor commission report recomend votes at 16 for all elections or just local elections?</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Epps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Epps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3/10 for STV and votes at 16.  The rest of it is mostly New Labour rubbish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3/10 for STV and votes at 16.  The rest of it is mostly New Labour rubbish</p>
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		<title>By: tim leunig</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim leunig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would strongly oppose disallowing cllrs allowances when calculating benefits. If this is a problem for cllrs allowances, it is a problem for all work. If that is the case, we need to fix the benefits system. To create a work around just for cllrs creates a very bad signal: the political class care only about their own, and the rest of the people can suffer because of a system that the political class created, but choose not to apply to themselves. It would be as bad as saying that MPs don&#039;t have to pay the congestion charge. 

Not often I disagree with Mary, but on this I do, profoundly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would strongly oppose disallowing cllrs allowances when calculating benefits. If this is a problem for cllrs allowances, it is a problem for all work. If that is the case, we need to fix the benefits system. To create a work around just for cllrs creates a very bad signal: the political class care only about their own, and the rest of the people can suffer because of a system that the political class created, but choose not to apply to themselves. It would be as bad as saying that MPs don&#8217;t have to pay the congestion charge. </p>
<p>Not often I disagree with Mary, but on this I do, profoundly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what Tim says - yes to votes at 16 and STV (is that really the right system for multi-member wards?), no to shoehorned members in place of by-elections. 

Earlier this week I got a chance to meet Dame Jane Roberts who chaired the Commission, and was very impressed with the way she had gone for some quite radical ideas. 

I thanked her for including a recommendation that had originated with Lib Dem Kingston - to disallow a councillor&#039;s allowance when calculating entitlement to benefits. A small point but a very significant one for widening representation. At present a councillor who is on benefits actually ends up financially worse off (as well as busier) when elected.  This deterred a friend who would have made an excellent councillor, but who would have been caught in this trap because she is a single parent with a disabled child.

I also discussed with her the issue of the political restrictions placed on us by the Code of Conduct, and the way civil servants are keen to de-politicise councillors. 

Let&#039;s keep the good stuff alive - we shouldn&#039;t be knocking this report which could bring about real liberal reforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what Tim says &#8211; yes to votes at 16 and STV (is that really the right system for multi-member wards?), no to shoehorned members in place of by-elections. </p>
<p>Earlier this week I got a chance to meet Dame Jane Roberts who chaired the Commission, and was very impressed with the way she had gone for some quite radical ideas. </p>
<p>I thanked her for including a recommendation that had originated with Lib Dem Kingston &#8211; to disallow a councillor&#8217;s allowance when calculating entitlement to benefits. A small point but a very significant one for widening representation. At present a councillor who is on benefits actually ends up financially worse off (as well as busier) when elected.  This deterred a friend who would have made an excellent councillor, but who would have been caught in this trap because she is a single parent with a disabled child.</p>
<p>I also discussed with her the issue of the political restrictions placed on us by the Code of Conduct, and the way civil servants are keen to de-politicise councillors. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep the good stuff alive &#8211; we shouldn&#8217;t be knocking this report which could bring about real liberal reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: bernard</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim

I can&#039;t comment on the detail of the report but if you would allow me a correction, the report was commissioned by the Government not Parliament. It was a commitment coming out of the 2006 LG White Paper. Not sure if that affects your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment on the detail of the report but if you would allow me a correction, the report was commissioned by the Government not Parliament. It was a commitment coming out of the 2006 LG White Paper. Not sure if that affects your argument.</p>
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