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	<title>Comments on: Opinion: The Best Policy in the World &#8230; Probably</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Sabine</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-103128</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Sabine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alix, OK, I will look at these &#039;anti-avoidance measures&#039; in more detail. But if it&#039;s that easy to raise nearly £5bn then you have to think Darling is going to snap up that opportunity in either the PBR or the pre-election budget, in which case we will no longer be able to claim that revenue stream.

He&#039;s already shot Vince&#039;s fox to some degree on the scaling back of tax relief on pension contributions, and may do the same by raising capital gains tax next March, to judge by the media noises. In which case, once again we will find ourselves uncomfortably looking around for more sources of revenue to fund the redistributive tax cuts, and no doubt flirting with more tax populism as a result.

Totally agree with you about unintended consequences - but that is directly related to the horrendous complexity of the tax system, which is why we should be proposing radical simplification and not merely redistribution. Remove market-distorting reliefs (thereby also closing loopholes), reduce rates, simplify tax credits and subject our tax policies not only to the test of fairness, but also whether they are more or less likely to support economic growth and improve the supply-side of the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alix, OK, I will look at these &#8216;anti-avoidance measures&#8217; in more detail. But if it&#8217;s that easy to raise nearly £5bn then you have to think Darling is going to snap up that opportunity in either the PBR or the pre-election budget, in which case we will no longer be able to claim that revenue stream.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s already shot Vince&#8217;s fox to some degree on the scaling back of tax relief on pension contributions, and may do the same by raising capital gains tax next March, to judge by the media noises. In which case, once again we will find ourselves uncomfortably looking around for more sources of revenue to fund the redistributive tax cuts, and no doubt flirting with more tax populism as a result.</p>
<p>Totally agree with you about unintended consequences &#8211; but that is directly related to the horrendous complexity of the tax system, which is why we should be proposing radical simplification and not merely redistribution. Remove market-distorting reliefs (thereby also closing loopholes), reduce rates, simplify tax credits and subject our tax policies not only to the test of fairness, but also whether they are more or less likely to support economic growth and improve the supply-side of the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Alix</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-103117</link>
		<dc:creator>Alix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex Sabine, you can rest easy about the anti-avoidance measures - they amount to removing/supplementing certain bits of legislation that currently benefit the small number of people they were intended to PLUS a whole load of others who can afford tax accountants. Labour&#039;s tax law-making has always been full of unintended consequences. For once, this isn&#039;t a meaningless statement along the same lines as &quot;waste reduction&quot;. It really could happen in an observable way.

On the article - couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Sabine, you can rest easy about the anti-avoidance measures &#8211; they amount to removing/supplementing certain bits of legislation that currently benefit the small number of people they were intended to PLUS a whole load of others who can afford tax accountants. Labour&#8217;s tax law-making has always been full of unintended consequences. For once, this isn&#8217;t a meaningless statement along the same lines as &#8220;waste reduction&#8221;. It really could happen in an observable way.</p>
<p>On the article &#8211; couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #146</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-103115</link>
		<dc:creator>Top of the Blogs: The Golden Dozen #146</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Opinion: The Best Policy in the World … Probably by David Lawson on Lib Dem Voice. &#8220;Very good piece from David Lawson writing on LDV about how [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Opinion: The Best Policy in the World … Probably by David Lawson on Lib Dem Voice. &#8220;Very good piece from David Lawson writing on LDV about how [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Sabine</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-102993</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Sabine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raising the income tax threshold to £10,000 is an excellent policy, but also a very costly one at a time when we have a cavernous fiscal deficit. I know the tax package is supposed to be self-financing, but self-financing policies are not enough when we have a deficit of nearly £200bn per year this year and next.

I&#039;m also not convinced by the costing assumptions, particularly the idea that we&#039;re going to raise nearly £5bn in &quot;anti-avoidance measures&quot;. This is the same kind of thing Vince complains about when the Tories or Labour claim they can save large amounts through cutting &quot;waste and bureaucracy&quot; in public services. We&#039;ll see whether the Institute for Fiscal Studies has anything to say about the costing.

It&#039;s also worth noting that the revised mansion tax still only raises £1.7bn towards the £18bn or so required, so it looks suspiciously like a token piece of populism rather than a shift towards taxing property (or preferably land value) more and income and enterprise less. It&#039;s come to something when Clive Anderson has to make the case for LVT on Question Time and Vince looks faintly bemused...

I&#039;m concerned that we&#039;re putting too much emphasis on redistributing income/wealth and not enough on creating it. For example we seem to have no proposals on National Insurance, corporation tax or improving the climate for the wealth-creating businesses that the UK&#039;s future prosperity depends on.

Arguably a more limited tax-cutting package aimed at supporting job creation (say by cutting payroll tax and maybe the corporation tax rate) would be more credible and appropriate for these times. Then, once it is affordable, we should look to progressively raise the threshold for both income tax and NI (thus keeping them aligned and not complicating the personal tax system).

Other than aligning income and capital gains tax rates, we also seem to have abandoned any real effort to reform the horrendously complex tax system to make it simpler, more economically neutral and less prone to loopholes. The best way to tackle tax avoidance is to simplify the tax system and reduce the opportunities to game it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raising the income tax threshold to £10,000 is an excellent policy, but also a very costly one at a time when we have a cavernous fiscal deficit. I know the tax package is supposed to be self-financing, but self-financing policies are not enough when we have a deficit of nearly £200bn per year this year and next.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not convinced by the costing assumptions, particularly the idea that we&#8217;re going to raise nearly £5bn in &#8220;anti-avoidance measures&#8221;. This is the same kind of thing Vince complains about when the Tories or Labour claim they can save large amounts through cutting &#8220;waste and bureaucracy&#8221; in public services. We&#8217;ll see whether the Institute for Fiscal Studies has anything to say about the costing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that the revised mansion tax still only raises £1.7bn towards the £18bn or so required, so it looks suspiciously like a token piece of populism rather than a shift towards taxing property (or preferably land value) more and income and enterprise less. It&#8217;s come to something when Clive Anderson has to make the case for LVT on Question Time and Vince looks faintly bemused&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned that we&#8217;re putting too much emphasis on redistributing income/wealth and not enough on creating it. For example we seem to have no proposals on National Insurance, corporation tax or improving the climate for the wealth-creating businesses that the UK&#8217;s future prosperity depends on.</p>
<p>Arguably a more limited tax-cutting package aimed at supporting job creation (say by cutting payroll tax and maybe the corporation tax rate) would be more credible and appropriate for these times. Then, once it is affordable, we should look to progressively raise the threshold for both income tax and NI (thus keeping them aligned and not complicating the personal tax system).</p>
<p>Other than aligning income and capital gains tax rates, we also seem to have abandoned any real effort to reform the horrendously complex tax system to make it simpler, more economically neutral and less prone to loopholes. The best way to tackle tax avoidance is to simplify the tax system and reduce the opportunities to game it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Leunig</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-102992</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Leunig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this policy, but let&#039;s not go overboard with how much it will help people in poverty. If you are in work, or get a job, and are on tax credits, housing benefit etc, you will lose a chunk (typically around half) of the fall in tax in reduced benefits. 

The arch-Tory Maurice Saatchi once wrote a pamplet calling for the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this policy, but let&#8217;s not go overboard with how much it will help people in poverty. If you are in work, or get a job, and are on tax credits, housing benefit etc, you will lose a chunk (typically around half) of the fall in tax in reduced benefits. </p>
<p>The arch-Tory Maurice Saatchi once wrote a pamplet calling for the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Page</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-102982</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this will play very well in my constituency - let&#039;s get out there and show people that we&#039;re fair on taxation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this will play very well in my constituency &#8211; let&#8217;s get out there and show people that we&#8217;re fair on taxation!</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-102981</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. It should be pushed hard in all seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. It should be pushed hard in all seats.</p>
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		<title>By: fdp100</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-102972</link>
		<dc:creator>fdp100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brill. Could not agree more. Only the Liberal Democrats have the principles, the policies and the political will to tackle the poverty in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brill. Could not agree more. Only the Liberal Democrats have the principles, the policies and the political will to tackle the poverty in our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-the-best-policy-in-the-world-probably-17067.html#comment-102970</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax cuts to the lowest paid go straight back into the economy, Tax cuts to the wealthy often just increase their wealth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax cuts to the lowest paid go straight back into the economy, Tax cuts to the wealthy often just increase their wealth.</p>
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