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	<title>Comments on: Opinion: Why not try democracy for a change?</title>
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		<title>By: Big Al</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-why-not-try-democracy-for-a-change-10276.html#comment-76865</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, remind me.  How did the liberal democrat parliamentary party vote on the question of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?  Or does this not count as &quot;democracy&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, remind me.  How did the liberal democrat parliamentary party vote on the question of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty?  Or does this not count as &#8220;democracy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to disagree with a couple of points:

1

&quot;It is by no means uncommon now for talented young graduates to serve for a few years as researchers or assistants to an MP, then move straight on to a safe seat.&quot;

Certainly not in this party.  I can only think of two former researchers on the Lib Dem benches, both of whom are excellent MPs, and one of whom only has a majority of about 500.

And while it might be fun to knock Labour and the Tories, where this is more usually the case, politics is a skill like any other.  A good constituency MP is one who knows how to use the political system to benefit their constituents and causes.  That can be as useful a skill as any other.

Also, it&#039;s a shame you feel the need to disparage those people who do work hard in research jobs for the party, often for relatively little pay.  I daresay this party would be in a pretty bad way without the various &quot;professional&quot; researchers in Parliament, the policy unit, and the Town Halls.  They work hard and are sincere in wanting to further the Liberal cause, not cynical power-mad careerists.

2

On the environmental point, I think you&#039;ll find that not all parties share the same environmental concern.  Well, if Labour has environmental concerns they involve a lot more runways than mine.  It is a party-political issue- with our party being more radical and more involved.  Why would we want to come to a consensus with people who don&#039;t share that commitment? The result would be watered-down policies.

In any case, &quot;politics&quot; is a marketplace, indeed a battlefield, of ideas, which throws up new policies and tests ideas to destruction or success.  When parties try to out-green each other, it makes the final result more green.  That&#039;s a good thing, right?  And given your article is about democracy one would think you&#039;d want more choice, not less.

3

Boris&#039; move to reduce the scale of the congestion charge was good for the environment, as the Western extension zone gave large, wealthy, residential areas special residents&#039; status to drive around London on the cheap.  The GLA Lib Dem rightly support scrapping the WEZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to disagree with a couple of points:</p>
<p>1</p>
<p>&#8220;It is by no means uncommon now for talented young graduates to serve for a few years as researchers or assistants to an MP, then move straight on to a safe seat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly not in this party.  I can only think of two former researchers on the Lib Dem benches, both of whom are excellent MPs, and one of whom only has a majority of about 500.</p>
<p>And while it might be fun to knock Labour and the Tories, where this is more usually the case, politics is a skill like any other.  A good constituency MP is one who knows how to use the political system to benefit their constituents and causes.  That can be as useful a skill as any other.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s a shame you feel the need to disparage those people who do work hard in research jobs for the party, often for relatively little pay.  I daresay this party would be in a pretty bad way without the various &#8220;professional&#8221; researchers in Parliament, the policy unit, and the Town Halls.  They work hard and are sincere in wanting to further the Liberal cause, not cynical power-mad careerists.</p>
<p>2</p>
<p>On the environmental point, I think you&#8217;ll find that not all parties share the same environmental concern.  Well, if Labour has environmental concerns they involve a lot more runways than mine.  It is a party-political issue- with our party being more radical and more involved.  Why would we want to come to a consensus with people who don&#8217;t share that commitment? The result would be watered-down policies.</p>
<p>In any case, &#8220;politics&#8221; is a marketplace, indeed a battlefield, of ideas, which throws up new policies and tests ideas to destruction or success.  When parties try to out-green each other, it makes the final result more green.  That&#8217;s a good thing, right?  And given your article is about democracy one would think you&#8217;d want more choice, not less.</p>
<p>3</p>
<p>Boris&#8217; move to reduce the scale of the congestion charge was good for the environment, as the Western extension zone gave large, wealthy, residential areas special residents&#8217; status to drive around London on the cheap.  The GLA Lib Dem rightly support scrapping the WEZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Dungeekin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dungeekin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on a number of counts (with the exception of the Green issues), however I would also add another reason for the disengagement of the electorate from the Political fray - language.

The &#039;language of politics&#039; is now so homogenised, so vague and so meaningless as to have precisely the opposite effect from that intended - it bores, distracts and minimises the message.

If the Liberal Democrats REALLY want to make a difference to the engagement of &#039;the man on the street&#039; in modern politics, I believe the starting point is to &lt;a href=&quot;http://dungeekin.blogspot.com/2008/12/forget-language-of-politics.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;forget the stifling, stilted language of politics&lt;/a&gt; and change the game.

Speak to us in our own language, communicate to us clearly, concisely, with energy and with passion, and make us believe and care again.

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on a number of counts (with the exception of the Green issues), however I would also add another reason for the disengagement of the electorate from the Political fray &#8211; language.</p>
<p>The &#8216;language of politics&#8217; is now so homogenised, so vague and so meaningless as to have precisely the opposite effect from that intended &#8211; it bores, distracts and minimises the message.</p>
<p>If the Liberal Democrats REALLY want to make a difference to the engagement of &#8216;the man on the street&#8217; in modern politics, I believe the starting point is to <a href="http://dungeekin.blogspot.com/2008/12/forget-language-of-politics.html" rel="nofollow">forget the stifling, stilted language of politics</a> and change the game.</p>
<p>Speak to us in our own language, communicate to us clearly, concisely, with energy and with passion, and make us believe and care again.</p>
<p>D</p>
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