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	<title>Comments on: Are these the most generous mileage allowances in the public sector?</title>
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		<title>By: TM</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-96081</link>
		<dc:creator>TM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no link to Reading council but I totally agree this is a misrepresentation.

The £2.10 figure comes from adding the car user allowance to the per mile amount and dividing by the number of miles.  The reason staff receive to much is because they don&#039;t do many miles.

You might have an argument that if staff do so few miles why are they classed as essential car users but ultimately the idea that Reading Council staff are coining in expenses by getting £2.10 for every mile is false.  In fact the more miles they do the lower average rate they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no link to Reading council but I totally agree this is a misrepresentation.</p>
<p>The £2.10 figure comes from adding the car user allowance to the per mile amount and dividing by the number of miles.  The reason staff receive to much is because they don&#8217;t do many miles.</p>
<p>You might have an argument that if staff do so few miles why are they classed as essential car users but ultimately the idea that Reading Council staff are coining in expenses by getting £2.10 for every mile is false.  In fact the more miles they do the lower average rate they get.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94719</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm: it&#039;s a fair point that people have commented saying not everyone receives this rate, and I&#039;ve updated the post to reflect this.

Warren&#039;s figures are interesting, but I don&#039;t think they kill the story because, as pointed out in the comments, there are plenty of examples of the private sector and other councils having much less generous schemes (and indeed, that&#039;s my experience too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm: it&#8217;s a fair point that people have commented saying not everyone receives this rate, and I&#8217;ve updated the post to reflect this.</p>
<p>Warren&#8217;s figures are interesting, but I don&#8217;t think they kill the story because, as pointed out in the comments, there are plenty of examples of the private sector and other councils having much less generous schemes (and indeed, that&#8217;s my experience too).</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94625</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:
I didn&#039;t say that the excess of a few was justified, only that the story doesn&#039;t support the presentation given to it by the Reading Post, or by you.

Even if you&#039;re willing to stand by presenting the story as if £2.10 per mile was the standard rate for Reading Council workers, so by implication tarring all staff with the brush of accusation(pretty much the Telegraph approach to MPs&#039; expenses, as it happens), the basic headline that you quote - &quot;About 400 council staff get a whopping £2.10 for every mile they travel by car&quot; - isn&#039;t borne out by the story, which includes the following rather bizarre statement:

&quot;Of the 422 essential car users at the council, the average claim is in fact £1.05 per mile with only half claiming an average £2.10 per mile, made up of a mileage rate and a lump sum.&quot;

I don&#039;t know what that means exactly (half of them are claiming £2.10 per mile on average and the other half nothing at all? but then they&#039;re not essential users at all) - but it certainly doesn&#039;t mean that there are 400 staff claiming or getting the exorbitant rate claimed.

Having seen Warren Swaine&#039;s post, do you still stand by your presentation of this story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:<br />
I didn&#8217;t say that the excess of a few was justified, only that the story doesn&#8217;t support the presentation given to it by the Reading Post, or by you.</p>
<p>Even if you&#8217;re willing to stand by presenting the story as if £2.10 per mile was the standard rate for Reading Council workers, so by implication tarring all staff with the brush of accusation(pretty much the Telegraph approach to MPs&#8217; expenses, as it happens), the basic headline that you quote &#8211; &#8220;About 400 council staff get a whopping £2.10 for every mile they travel by car&#8221; &#8211; isn&#8217;t borne out by the story, which includes the following rather bizarre statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Of the 422 essential car users at the council, the average claim is in fact £1.05 per mile with only half claiming an average £2.10 per mile, made up of a mileage rate and a lump sum.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what that means exactly (half of them are claiming £2.10 per mile on average and the other half nothing at all? but then they&#8217;re not essential users at all) &#8211; but it certainly doesn&#8217;t mean that there are 400 staff claiming or getting the exorbitant rate claimed.</p>
<p>Having seen Warren Swaine&#8217;s post, do you still stand by your presentation of this story?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94620</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how much would the Lib Dems charge everyone for using trunk roads and motorways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how much would the Lib Dems charge everyone for using trunk roads and motorways?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94618</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm: yup, I read the whole story. Just because there are some people paid out through the scheme who are receiving reasonable sums doesn&#039;t to me somehow excuse people getting unreasonable sums.

It&#039;d be like defending all MP expenses for second homes on the basis that some MPs only made reasonable claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm: yup, I read the whole story. Just because there are some people paid out through the scheme who are receiving reasonable sums doesn&#8217;t to me somehow excuse people getting unreasonable sums.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be like defending all MP expenses for second homes on the basis that some MPs only made reasonable claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Swaine</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94614</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Swaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I&#039;m on the Reading Borough Council Personnel Committee, maybe I ought to publish the real rates. 

1200-1450cc £1170 lump sum; first 8500 miles 46.4p; after 14.2p.

For some perspective, I get £6880 lump sum and 18.9p per mile in the private sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;m on the Reading Borough Council Personnel Committee, maybe I ought to publish the real rates. </p>
<p>1200-1450cc £1170 lump sum; first 8500 miles 46.4p; after 14.2p.</p>
<p>For some perspective, I get £6880 lump sum and 18.9p per mile in the private sector.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94594</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See what you&#039;ve done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See what you&#8217;ve done?</p>
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		<title>By: Meandyew</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94590</link>
		<dc:creator>Meandyew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lazy council slackers sucking at the teat of the hard pressed taxpayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lazy council slackers sucking at the teat of the hard pressed taxpayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/reading-council-mileage-allowances-15643.html#comment-94588</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark - did you read the rest of the story yourself? 

It&#039;s quite obvious, especially if you have a look through the (mostly surprisingly reasonable) comment trail, that this &quot;£2.10 per mile&quot; is journalistic misrepresentation of the usual kind, possibly at the behest of Council leadership seeking to justify an attack on essential user allowances. 

The only way to make sense of the figures is to assume that there are some people receiving essential user allowances who only do (or at least, only bother to claim for) a few hundred miles of business mileage a year, which produces the alleged £2.10 per mile. This is (as far as I can see) being used as an excuse for trying to remove the essential user allowance from all employees. 

Of course, it feeds nicely into the hysteria about supposed feather-bedding of public sector workers; please let&#039;s not contribute to that hysteria by repeating misrepresentations until they achieve the status of internet &#039;fact&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; did you read the rest of the story yourself? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite obvious, especially if you have a look through the (mostly surprisingly reasonable) comment trail, that this &#8220;£2.10 per mile&#8221; is journalistic misrepresentation of the usual kind, possibly at the behest of Council leadership seeking to justify an attack on essential user allowances. </p>
<p>The only way to make sense of the figures is to assume that there are some people receiving essential user allowances who only do (or at least, only bother to claim for) a few hundred miles of business mileage a year, which produces the alleged £2.10 per mile. This is (as far as I can see) being used as an excuse for trying to remove the essential user allowance from all employees. </p>
<p>Of course, it feeds nicely into the hysteria about supposed feather-bedding of public sector workers; please let&#8217;s not contribute to that hysteria by repeating misrepresentations until they achieve the status of internet &#8216;fact&#8217;.</p>
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