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	<title>Comments on: Eleven Conservative Shadow Ministers benefited from secret donations, including Grant Shapps</title>
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		<title>By: Matloob Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48954</link>
		<dc:creator>Matloob Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This shows that cash for honour and such scandals go on within the two main political parties in the uk. If its not cash given for peerage its for personal benifits to the donator. Appaling this alongside many are the reasons why the lib dems are indeed the best political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This shows that cash for honour and such scandals go on within the two main political parties in the uk. If its not cash given for peerage its for personal benifits to the donator. Appaling this alongside many are the reasons why the lib dems are indeed the best political party.</p>
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		<title>By: tony hill</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48952</link>
		<dc:creator>tony hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 18:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me if I don&#039;t have a lot of faith in the Conservative Party&#039;s commitment to solving homelessness:  the last Tory government introduced the Right to Buy for council tenants; prevented local councils from using the proceeds of sales to build more social housing (a policy continued by New Labour); and introduced housing benefit which is effectively a subsidy from public funds to private landlords in order to make up the shortfall in social housing.  Not a conflict of interest, perhaps, but a well-calculated strategy to enrich those who are natural supporters of the Conservative Party at public expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me if I don&#8217;t have a lot of faith in the Conservative Party&#8217;s commitment to solving homelessness:  the last Tory government introduced the Right to Buy for council tenants; prevented local councils from using the proceeds of sales to build more social housing (a policy continued by New Labour); and introduced housing benefit which is effectively a subsidy from public funds to private landlords in order to make up the shortfall in social housing.  Not a conflict of interest, perhaps, but a well-calculated strategy to enrich those who are natural supporters of the Conservative Party at public expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul L</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48947</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 16:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may or may not be a conflict - so why keep it secret unless you feel that you or the donor&#039;s don&#039;t want it disclosed in which case that is in danger of creating the very conflict....

Or at the least you make it look as though there is a secret connection and a potential vested interest...

IMHO disclosure is the best answer allround then there can be no claim of hidden commitments etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may or may not be a conflict &#8211; so why keep it secret unless you feel that you or the donor&#8217;s don&#8217;t want it disclosed in which case that is in danger of creating the very conflict&#8230;.</p>
<p>Or at the least you make it look as though there is a secret connection and a potential vested interest&#8230;</p>
<p>IMHO disclosure is the best answer allround then there can be no claim of hidden commitments etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Oaklands</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48946</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Oaklands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funding to Shadow Housing Minister Grant Shapps&#039; office was used to fund research into a series of reports into homelessness - see http://www.shapps.com/reports and the creation of the Homelessness Foundation launched at Crisis, with Shelter, Big Issue founder John Bird, etc. this week according to reports on the Welwyn Hatfield Forum.

It might be that estate agents and developers have a long term interest in ending homelessness in order to create more business, but I don&#039;t see how that creates much of a conflict in all honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funding to Shadow Housing Minister Grant Shapps&#8217; office was used to fund research into a series of reports into homelessness &#8211; see <a href="http://www.shapps.com/reports" rel="nofollow">http://www.shapps.com/reports</a> and the creation of the Homelessness Foundation launched at Crisis, with Shelter, Big Issue founder John Bird, etc. this week according to reports on the Welwyn Hatfield Forum.</p>
<p>It might be that estate agents and developers have a long term interest in ending homelessness in order to create more business, but I don&#8217;t see how that creates much of a conflict in all honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48921</link>
		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All criticisms are &quot;fair and reasonable&quot; when they point to the issues of openness, honesty and transparency, especially where it concerns potential candidates for political office.

On that score it doesn&#039;t fill me with confidence that any putative future Conservative regime will &#039;act in good faith&#039; when interpreting advice it has sought when the interpretation was favourable and yet turns out to be wrong.

That&#039;s like getting the intelligence services to write a report on whether your enemy is a threat to you. 

Oh yeah, we&#039;ve been there and done that with the full backing of the these tories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All criticisms are &#8220;fair and reasonable&#8221; when they point to the issues of openness, honesty and transparency, especially where it concerns potential candidates for political office.</p>
<p>On that score it doesn&#8217;t fill me with confidence that any putative future Conservative regime will &#8216;act in good faith&#8217; when interpreting advice it has sought when the interpretation was favourable and yet turns out to be wrong.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like getting the intelligence services to write a report on whether your enemy is a threat to you. </p>
<p>Oh yeah, we&#8217;ve been there and done that with the full backing of the these tories.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul L</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48917</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 09:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you are absolutely right on this issue. If there is nothing to hide tehn these monies should be declared. 

The Commissioner has obviously decided that given the possible muisunderstandings that he would overlook the fact that they hadn&#039;t been declared provided that the Tories now declare them, then we will see all the details fairly soon. 

But there is no question that these amounts should not be declared.

All parties and MPs need to get the whole party finance and MPs expenses and allowances properly resolved - the current mess and sight of Mr Speaker trying to sweep things under a carpet - MPs snipping at each other across party lines and MPs not being totally open about donations creates an impression that all politicians are corrupt which is bad for all parties and those who believe in the democratic process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you are absolutely right on this issue. If there is nothing to hide tehn these monies should be declared. </p>
<p>The Commissioner has obviously decided that given the possible muisunderstandings that he would overlook the fact that they hadn&#8217;t been declared provided that the Tories now declare them, then we will see all the details fairly soon. </p>
<p>But there is no question that these amounts should not be declared.</p>
<p>All parties and MPs need to get the whole party finance and MPs expenses and allowances properly resolved &#8211; the current mess and sight of Mr Speaker trying to sweep things under a carpet &#8211; MPs snipping at each other across party lines and MPs not being totally open about donations creates an impression that all politicians are corrupt which is bad for all parties and those who believe in the democratic process.</p>
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		<title>By: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48871</link>
		<dc:creator>davy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 21:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is the C &amp; N canvassing going? LD landslide to look forward to then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the C &amp; N canvassing going? LD landslide to look forward to then?</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Redfellow</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48868</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Redfellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious how we still do not know just how much extra bunce these eleven received. Or did I miss that small detail? If Osborne trousered &quot;almost&quot; half-a-million, are all the other deals in the six-figure range?

Is it of interest that the names in the BBC version of the report also received a total of £1,186,676 from public funds for their &quot;expenses&quot; last year?

Comparing these eleven with the Tory Shadow Cabinet shows some intriguing omissions from the list. Did Davis, Fox and Theresa May (for three obvious examples) not need a bail-out? 

Is it also a coincidence that none of the eleven seem to have evidenced any interest in a transparent parliament? Or did I also miss that?

Where I&#039;m sitting: there are still far more questions than answers here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious how we still do not know just how much extra bunce these eleven received. Or did I miss that small detail? If Osborne trousered &#8220;almost&#8221; half-a-million, are all the other deals in the six-figure range?</p>
<p>Is it of interest that the names in the BBC version of the report also received a total of £1,186,676 from public funds for their &#8220;expenses&#8221; last year?</p>
<p>Comparing these eleven with the Tory Shadow Cabinet shows some intriguing omissions from the list. Did Davis, Fox and Theresa May (for three obvious examples) not need a bail-out? </p>
<p>Is it also a coincidence that none of the eleven seem to have evidenced any interest in a transparent parliament? Or did I also miss that?</p>
<p>Where I&#8217;m sitting: there are still far more questions than answers here.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Price</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48863</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However he concluded that it would not be &quot;fair and reasonable&quot; to criticise Osborne over the failure, as party chiefs had sought official advice on the issue and &quot;acted in good faith&quot; in interpreting it.

It was &quot;a story of misunderstandings, of discussions held at cross purposes, of the misinterpretation of conversations and emails&quot;, he said.&quot;

It is interesting that you fail to mention this part of the Guardian report on the Commissioner&#039;s findings ... they tried to comply with the law; they sought advice that they followed; the Commissioner decided that the advice was wrong ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However he concluded that it would not be &#8220;fair and reasonable&#8221; to criticise Osborne over the failure, as party chiefs had sought official advice on the issue and &#8220;acted in good faith&#8221; in interpreting it.</p>
<p>It was &#8220;a story of misunderstandings, of discussions held at cross purposes, of the misinterpretation of conversations and emails&#8221;, he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is interesting that you fail to mention this part of the Guardian report on the Commissioner&#8217;s findings &#8230; they tried to comply with the law; they sought advice that they followed; the Commissioner decided that the advice was wrong &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48860</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that it was £123,456 the Shappster received.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that it was £123,456 the Shappster received.</p>
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		<title>By: Dafs</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48847</link>
		<dc:creator>Dafs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously touching a nerve here Mark. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously touching a nerve here Mark. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48836</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Brown - yup that would be the case where the Electoral Commission investigated and didn&#039;t find that any rules had been broken. Unlike in this case where it&#039;s been found that things were done wrong.

As for anonymous postings: not me guv. A touch less paranoia that any comments disagreeing with you must be from me might be in order :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Brown &#8211; yup that would be the case where the Electoral Commission investigated and didn&#8217;t find that any rules had been broken. Unlike in this case where it&#8217;s been found that things were done wrong.</p>
<p>As for anonymous postings: not me guv. A touch less paranoia that any comments disagreeing with you must be from me might be in order <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Justin Hinchcliffe</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48835</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Hinchcliffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Anyone remember Michael Brown?

I feel really sorry for ordinary and hard-working LD activists who work tirelessly to raise money for their party - only for them to employ people like you to nit pick and post anonymously on other people&#039;s blogs.

What exactly does the Head of Innovations do? How much are you paid? And wouldn&#039;t axing you free up some cash for Focuses in marginal seats, where you are struggling financially?

&quot;LD Voice - run by LD activists&quot; - LMFAO!

I wonder if this post will get deleted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!</p>
<p>Anyone remember Michael Brown?</p>
<p>I feel really sorry for ordinary and hard-working LD activists who work tirelessly to raise money for their party &#8211; only for them to employ people like you to nit pick and post anonymously on other people&#8217;s blogs.</p>
<p>What exactly does the Head of Innovations do? How much are you paid? And wouldn&#8217;t axing you free up some cash for Focuses in marginal seats, where you are struggling financially?</p>
<p>&#8220;LD Voice &#8211; run by LD activists&#8221; &#8211; LMFAO!</p>
<p>I wonder if this post will get deleted?</p>
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		<title>By: Dafs</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48828</link>
		<dc:creator>Dafs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 10:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is scandalous. It goes to show that the Tories in Government would be the party of business interests. If we thought that consumers were getting a hard time now... Can you imagine for example a Tory Government beefing up legislation on Corporate Social Responsibility?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is scandalous. It goes to show that the Tories in Government would be the party of business interests. If we thought that consumers were getting a hard time now&#8230; Can you imagine for example a Tory Government beefing up legislation on Corporate Social Responsibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48823</link>
		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Letters from a Tory: &quot;nothing fraudulent or corrupt...&quot;
Mark Pack: &quot;conflict of interest...&quot;

Well I guess Tories would describe conflicts of interest as perfectly acceptable, wouldn&#039;t they. 

It is after all a fundamental principle of their habitual method of political operation - &#039;you scratch my back, I&#039;ll scratch yours&#039; - and as beneficiaries of such a system of favours, be it Daddy&#039;s millions or secret societies, they wouldn&#039;t want to bite the hand that feeds them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letters from a Tory: &#8220;nothing fraudulent or corrupt&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Mark Pack: &#8220;conflict of interest&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I guess Tories would describe conflicts of interest as perfectly acceptable, wouldn&#8217;t they. </p>
<p>It is after all a fundamental principle of their habitual method of political operation &#8211; &#8216;you scratch my back, I&#8217;ll scratch yours&#8217; &#8211; and as beneficiaries of such a system of favours, be it Daddy&#8217;s millions or secret societies, they wouldn&#8217;t want to bite the hand that feeds them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48819</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the Independent&#039;s answer to your question:

Senior members of the Shadow Cabinet have been accused of potential conflicts of interest after their offices were shown to be funded by companies that have direct interests in their policy portfolios. 


A report by the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner revealed the office of shadow Housing minister received support from five companies including an estate agent and two mortgage brokers, while a medical equipment company&#039;s former boss gave money to fund the office of shadow Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley. The money was channelled to run their offices by Conservative headquarters, declared to the Electoral Commission but not placed on the Commons Register of Members&#039; Interests. 

Grant Shapps, the housing spokesman, has been revealed as the recipient of tens of thousands of pounds in cash from five companies linked to his portfolio. And Jeremy Hunt, the shadow Secretary for Culture, Media and Sport – whose brief includes tourism – took funds from the chairman of the Conservative Tourism Taskforce, John Lewis, who is also former chairman of the British Tourist Authority. 

Alan Duncan, the shadow Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Secretary, received funds from the president and chief executive of the oil company Vitol, Ian Taylor, who is a former colleague of Mr Duncan&#039;s and runs a company which used to employ Mr Duncan as a consultant. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/senior-shadow-cabinet-figures-in-row-over-cash-for-influence-829305.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Independent&#8217;s answer to your question:</p>
<p>Senior members of the Shadow Cabinet have been accused of potential conflicts of interest after their offices were shown to be funded by companies that have direct interests in their policy portfolios. </p>
<p>A report by the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner revealed the office of shadow Housing minister received support from five companies including an estate agent and two mortgage brokers, while a medical equipment company&#8217;s former boss gave money to fund the office of shadow Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley. The money was channelled to run their offices by Conservative headquarters, declared to the Electoral Commission but not placed on the Commons Register of Members&#8217; Interests. </p>
<p>Grant Shapps, the housing spokesman, has been revealed as the recipient of tens of thousands of pounds in cash from five companies linked to his portfolio. And Jeremy Hunt, the shadow Secretary for Culture, Media and Sport – whose brief includes tourism – took funds from the chairman of the Conservative Tourism Taskforce, John Lewis, who is also former chairman of the British Tourist Authority. </p>
<p>Alan Duncan, the shadow Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform Secretary, received funds from the president and chief executive of the oil company Vitol, Ian Taylor, who is a former colleague of Mr Duncan&#8217;s and runs a company which used to employ Mr Duncan as a consultant. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/senior-shadow-cabinet-figures-in-row-over-cash-for-influence-829305.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/senior-shadow-cabinet-figures-in-row-over-cash-for-influence-829305.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48818</link>
		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, not sure what the story is here seeing as the Electoral Commission realised that there was nothing fraudulent or corrupt about how any of them behaved.  The only lesson seems to be a desperate need to simplify the system for declaring and recording donations?

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, not sure what the story is here seeing as the Electoral Commission realised that there was nothing fraudulent or corrupt about how any of them behaved.  The only lesson seems to be a desperate need to simplify the system for declaring and recording donations?</p>
<p><a href="http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/secret-conservative-donations-2711.html#comment-48813</link>
		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where, oh where, is the LDV caption:- &#039;Multi Millionnaire MP benefits from public money doing up his 2nd home&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where, oh where, is the LDV caption:- &#8216;Multi Millionnaire MP benefits from public money doing up his 2nd home&#8217;?</p>
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