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	<title>Comments on: Simon Hughes: why the Lib Dems will not stand against David Davis</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.libdemvoice.org/what-do-party-members-in-haltemprice-howden-think-2857.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it seems&lt;/a&gt; that the local party contents to his decision.

What does the constitution say about the nomination in general? Who has the final word? Can the national or the regional party override a local party? At least in constituencies without an active local party I&#039;d think the national or the regional party makes the decision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, <a href="http://www.libdemvoice.org/what-do-party-members-in-haltemprice-howden-think-2857.html" rel="nofollow">it seems</a> that the local party contents to his decision.</p>
<p>What does the constitution say about the nomination in general? Who has the final word? Can the national or the regional party override a local party? At least in constituencies without an active local party I&#8217;d think the national or the regional party makes the decision?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.

If the constitution is silent on it, that must mean that the leader _doesn&#039;t_ have the power to forbid the local party from nominating a candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>If the constitution is silent on it, that must mean that the leader _doesn&#8217;t_ have the power to forbid the local party from nominating a candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Hywel Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hywel Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Does the party leader have the constitutional right to decide that the party will not field a candidate in a parliamentary by election?”

The constitution on a quick read seems pretty silent on this - there doesn&#039;t seem to be a comparable provision to the duty on local parties to contest all local authority elections</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Does the party leader have the constitutional right to decide that the party will not field a candidate in a parliamentary by election?”</p>
<p>The constitution on a quick read seems pretty silent on this &#8211; there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a comparable provision to the duty on local parties to contest all local authority elections</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does the party leader have the constitutional right to decide that the party will not field a candidate in a parliamentary by election?&quot;

Surely someone knows the answer to this question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does the party leader have the constitutional right to decide that the party will not field a candidate in a parliamentary by election?&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely someone knows the answer to this question?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is ridiculous that we are not standing.I keep trying to defend Clegg but he&#039;s so wet!! Good job we didnt take the same attitude at the Eastbourne by- election.There we were right to express our sysmpathy at the death of the MP and then stand.We should have expressed our sympathy to the Tories that Davis is a petulant egotist and stood (If anyone is conned that he is a liberal Look at his record (clause 28 etc) .I feel sorry for the local Lib Dems who should be providing the the voters with somebody who understands their local concerns even if we dont win,Lets hope an Independant Local Liberal democrat stands and shows that those in Westminster are totally out of touch with the footsoldiers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ridiculous that we are not standing.I keep trying to defend Clegg but he&#8217;s so wet!! Good job we didnt take the same attitude at the Eastbourne by- election.There we were right to express our sysmpathy at the death of the MP and then stand.We should have expressed our sympathy to the Tories that Davis is a petulant egotist and stood (If anyone is conned that he is a liberal Look at his record (clause 28 etc) .I feel sorry for the local Lib Dems who should be providing the the voters with somebody who understands their local concerns even if we dont win,Lets hope an Independant Local Liberal democrat stands and shows that those in Westminster are totally out of touch with the footsoldiers</p>
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		<title>By: john in penarth</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in penarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the Liberals it&#039;s not just about winning, it&#039;s about being seen, heard and contributing to national debate and influencing it. Just imagine what our country&#039;s politics would be like were the BNP or UKIP the third party!

whilst I believe that many Tories are instinctive liberals, they&#039;re not LDs and, in this case, David Davies isn&#039;t liberal either. It happens that his ideas stemming, it seems, from reverence for tradition happen to collide with our views on this one issue. It makes no sense not to fight this by-election and if, due a tabloid frenzy and on the basis of a low turn-out we DO get Kelvin McKenzie MP then we&#039;ll have no business complaining about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Liberals it&#8217;s not just about winning, it&#8217;s about being seen, heard and contributing to national debate and influencing it. Just imagine what our country&#8217;s politics would be like were the BNP or UKIP the third party!</p>
<p>whilst I believe that many Tories are instinctive liberals, they&#8217;re not LDs and, in this case, David Davies isn&#8217;t liberal either. It happens that his ideas stemming, it seems, from reverence for tradition happen to collide with our views on this one issue. It makes no sense not to fight this by-election and if, due a tabloid frenzy and on the basis of a low turn-out we DO get Kelvin McKenzie MP then we&#8217;ll have no business complaining about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 05:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible - what the argument for not standing boils down to is the party has no money, won&#039;t win and agrees with a particular candidate on a single policy position. 

Is the party going to apply the same logic to all by-elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible &#8211; what the argument for not standing boils down to is the party has no money, won&#8217;t win and agrees with a particular candidate on a single policy position. </p>
<p>Is the party going to apply the same logic to all by-elections?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much has been written about this, but can anyone explain what the constitutional position is?

Does the party leader have the constitutional right to decide that the party will not field a candidate in a parliamentary by election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much has been written about this, but can anyone explain what the constitutional position is?</p>
<p>Does the party leader have the constitutional right to decide that the party will not field a candidate in a parliamentary by election?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Salmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Salmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with every point made by David Morton. I would also add that it&#039;s not in David Davis&#039;s or Nick Clegg&#039;s power to decide what the issues in the by-election would be: that&#039;s reserved to the electorate in H&amp;H.
I am very disappointed in Clegg&#039;s actions today. When I heard the news that we weren&#039;t standing, my initial reaction was almost to start a football-style chant: &quot;You don&#039;t know what you&#039;re doing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with every point made by David Morton. I would also add that it&#8217;s not in David Davis&#8217;s or Nick Clegg&#8217;s power to decide what the issues in the by-election would be: that&#8217;s reserved to the electorate in H&amp;H.<br />
I am very disappointed in Clegg&#8217;s actions today. When I heard the news that we weren&#8217;t standing, my initial reaction was almost to start a football-style chant: &#8220;You don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re doing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been told that Davis told about his intentions to Clegg before he told his Tory colleagues. I wonder whether Davis would still have resigned if Clegg had answered that Lib Dems will field a candidate against him? Just a thought, maybe he would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been told that Davis told about his intentions to Clegg before he told his Tory colleagues. I wonder whether Davis would still have resigned if Clegg had answered that Lib Dems will field a candidate against him? Just a thought, maybe he would.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Beddow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Beddow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My personal feeling was one of relief when I heard that we were not standing against him. This has nothing to do with whether or not Davis is a through and through Liberal and there is much evidence that he is not. Davis has taken a stand on this one issue alone, an issue that we totally support. This will be a referendum on the 42 days and is an issue we want to prevail. 

What else can we do? If we stand a candidate it can only be on the same platform. We cannot win and any votes we may take will only help assist Labour in defending the 42 days.  

We must remain focused on the issue at stake and hold our nerve and come across as the only party that is genuinely united during this time, whilst Labour and the Conservatives fall into disarray.

During the coming weeks this issue will be in the forefront of the media and it is important that it is. In our responses, whilst we should distance ourselves from Davis and his campaign we have the opportunity to support the issue and the issue alone. It is the issue that is important here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal feeling was one of relief when I heard that we were not standing against him. This has nothing to do with whether or not Davis is a through and through Liberal and there is much evidence that he is not. Davis has taken a stand on this one issue alone, an issue that we totally support. This will be a referendum on the 42 days and is an issue we want to prevail. </p>
<p>What else can we do? If we stand a candidate it can only be on the same platform. We cannot win and any votes we may take will only help assist Labour in defending the 42 days.  </p>
<p>We must remain focused on the issue at stake and hold our nerve and come across as the only party that is genuinely united during this time, whilst Labour and the Conservatives fall into disarray.</p>
<p>During the coming weeks this issue will be in the forefront of the media and it is important that it is. In our responses, whilst we should distance ourselves from Davis and his campaign we have the opportunity to support the issue and the issue alone. It is the issue that is important here.</p>
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		<title>By: George C</title>
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		<dc:creator>George C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Morton,

I recommend you look at tomorrow&#039;s papers before deciding that this will be a win for Cameron or the Conservatives as a whole. I think Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems will come out of it a lot better than David Cameron.

It may be a stunt from Davis but there seems little doubt it is a principled stunt, and one his leader disagrees with. It seems pretty clear that behind this there is a pretty substantial Tory split on whether they should make a strong stand against 42 days detention without trial. A split on which Davis, for all his faults, is on the side of the angels.

And in answer to your qustion two, yes, I really do think this by-election will be pretty much entirely about 42 days. This is not going to be a typical by-election.

People I&#039;ve spoken to today, most of them not party members, overwhelmingly think we&#039;ve done the right thing. Quite a few of them are bemused at Cameron&#039;s lack of support for Davis.

George</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Morton,</p>
<p>I recommend you look at tomorrow&#8217;s papers before deciding that this will be a win for Cameron or the Conservatives as a whole. I think Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems will come out of it a lot better than David Cameron.</p>
<p>It may be a stunt from Davis but there seems little doubt it is a principled stunt, and one his leader disagrees with. It seems pretty clear that behind this there is a pretty substantial Tory split on whether they should make a strong stand against 42 days detention without trial. A split on which Davis, for all his faults, is on the side of the angels.</p>
<p>And in answer to your qustion two, yes, I really do think this by-election will be pretty much entirely about 42 days. This is not going to be a typical by-election.</p>
<p>People I&#8217;ve spoken to today, most of them not party members, overwhelmingly think we&#8217;ve done the right thing. Quite a few of them are bemused at Cameron&#8217;s lack of support for Davis.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: James King</title>
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		<dc:creator>James King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what ways does this decision benefit the causes we stand for?

By agreeing not to stand against David Davis, we are indulging a Tory in spending taxpayers money on a pointless exercise. It will achieve nothing on 42 days or anything else we stand for as Liberal Democrats. 

David Davis has chosen to trigger a byelection so we should use the opportunity to offer the voters of Haltemprice and Howden a better representative.

This is one of the worse decisions I can remember from a Liberal Democrat leader and I can only see us losing out from it.

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what ways does this decision benefit the causes we stand for?</p>
<p>By agreeing not to stand against David Davis, we are indulging a Tory in spending taxpayers money on a pointless exercise. It will achieve nothing on 42 days or anything else we stand for as Liberal Democrats. </p>
<p>David Davis has chosen to trigger a byelection so we should use the opportunity to offer the voters of Haltemprice and Howden a better representative.</p>
<p>This is one of the worse decisions I can remember from a Liberal Democrat leader and I can only see us losing out from it.</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can imagine now all the negative comments we would be getting if Nick had announced today that we were standing in this by-election.&lt;/i&gt;

There was no need to say anything &lt;i&gt;today&lt;/i&gt;. We should at least have taken stock of the situation. The reason we didn&#039;t do so is because Nick seems to have been party to a stitch-up here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can imagine now all the negative comments we would be getting if Nick had announced today that we were standing in this by-election.</i></p>
<p>There was no need to say anything <i>today</i>. We should at least have taken stock of the situation. The reason we didn&#8217;t do so is because Nick seems to have been party to a stitch-up here.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on David M.

In terms of historical precedent, when have we stood aside in favour of an official Conservative Party candidate (not an independent)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on David M.</p>
<p>In terms of historical precedent, when have we stood aside in favour of an official Conservative Party candidate (not an independent)?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can imagine now all the negative comments we would be getting if Nick had announced today that we were standing in this by-election. &#039;How pointless&#039;, &#039;how opportunist&#039;, &#039;why are we standing aginst him if we agree with him on the issue he has called by by-election on&#039; etc. etc.

By not standing in response to this curious, egocentric decision, the spotlight is turned on the turmoil in the Tory party. Having their best known name do this without the agreement of his party leader is truly wierd.

If we had stood, the Tories would have rallied round to see us off. Now their internal problems will unwind with the attention of a grateful media. We will have nothing to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can imagine now all the negative comments we would be getting if Nick had announced today that we were standing in this by-election. &#8216;How pointless&#8217;, &#8216;how opportunist&#8217;, &#8216;why are we standing aginst him if we agree with him on the issue he has called by by-election on&#8217; etc. etc.</p>
<p>By not standing in response to this curious, egocentric decision, the spotlight is turned on the turmoil in the Tory party. Having their best known name do this without the agreement of his party leader is truly wierd.</p>
<p>If we had stood, the Tories would have rallied round to see us off. Now their internal problems will unwind with the attention of a grateful media. We will have nothing to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By-election junkies??? I rather think that we have every right to fight to contest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By-election junkies??? I rather think that we have every right to fight to contest.</p>
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		<title>By: Anax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can also lose a lot by losing. Do you think that the Labour government will be hurt by us shoving flyers with &#039;Davis is a bad man&#039; through letterboxes? We&#039;d just be strengthening every aspect of the Davis brand and making ourselves look like a bunch of by-election junkies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can also lose a lot by losing. Do you think that the Labour government will be hurt by us shoving flyers with &#8216;Davis is a bad man&#8217; through letterboxes? We&#8217;d just be strengthening every aspect of the Davis brand and making ourselves look like a bunch of by-election junkies.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Most of those points still apply if we put up a candidate and then lose badly.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s nothing wrong with losing. You can achieve a lot through losing. We should &lt;i&gt;expect&lt;/i&gt; to lose - Davis is in the driving seat after all.

But if we can clearly articulate everything that is wrong with Davis and his party, then we would be in with a chance. Certainly a better chance than either Crewe or Henley.

Should we give up on Henley too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Most of those points still apply if we put up a candidate and then lose badly.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with losing. You can achieve a lot through losing. We should <i>expect</i> to lose &#8211; Davis is in the driving seat after all.</p>
<p>But if we can clearly articulate everything that is wrong with Davis and his party, then we would be in with a chance. Certainly a better chance than either Crewe or Henley.</p>
<p>Should we give up on Henley too?</p>
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		<title>By: Jo &#38; Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/simon-hughes-why-the-lib-dems-will-not-stand-against-david-davis-2853.html#comment-52402</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo &#38; Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a stupid position for our party to take</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a stupid position for our party to take</p>
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