Comments on: Teenager arrested for handing in a mobile phone http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:36:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David Clegg http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88442 David Clegg Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:57:48 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88442 Hi, I am Paul Leicester's uncle, and i can't believe what he's gone through. Merseyside Police have made a mountain out a mole hill. DNA, Finger Prints and Photo what are they thinking. The TIT who reported the phone missing should be done for wasting police time as any decent person would of done the same. If anyone finds a phone throw it away as you might end up in the same boat as my nephew. The stress this has caused my family STINKS. Hi,

I am Paul Leicester’s uncle, and i can’t believe what he’s gone through. Merseyside Police have made a mountain out a mole hill. DNA, Finger Prints and Photo what are they thinking. The TIT who reported the phone missing should be done for wasting police time as any decent person would of done the same.

If anyone finds a phone throw it away as you might end up in the same boat as my nephew. The stress this has caused my family STINKS.

]]> By: Catkins http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88198 Catkins Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:41:39 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88198 Andrew - it's not a crime to call the police useless. Yet. Can you elaborate on what happened? Andrew – it’s not a crime to call the police useless. Yet. Can you elaborate on what happened?

]]> By: Catkins http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88196 Catkins Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:34:02 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88196 Paul - as you're reading this, just wanted to say how sorry and outraged I am at your treatment. You did what any decent honest person would do and were treated appallingly. No good deed ever goes unpunished.... Please pursue this as far as you can. Go to the IPCC (and don't let them fob you off with an offer of 'local resolution' which takes your case off the official complaints stats redardless of outcome). Take it up with your local MP (particuarly the issue of a record remaining for an enhanced CRB check). Contact a solicitor who is a member of the Police Actions Lawyers Group and sue them for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment. Only by worsening their stats and hitting them in the pocket are you likely to change anything and the officer who treated you like this (and the custody seargent) needs to be held to account. Good luck. Paul – as you’re reading this, just wanted to say how sorry and outraged I am at your treatment. You did what any decent honest person would do and were treated appallingly. No good deed ever goes unpunished….

Please pursue this as far as you can. Go to the IPCC (and don’t let them fob you off with an offer of ‘local resolution’ which takes your case off the official complaints stats redardless of outcome). Take it up with your local MP (particuarly the issue of a record remaining for an enhanced CRB check). Contact a solicitor who is a member of the Police Actions Lawyers Group and sue them for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment. Only by worsening their stats and hitting them in the pocket are you likely to change anything and the officer who treated you like this (and the custody seargent) needs to be held to account.

Good luck.

]]> By: andrew http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88141 andrew Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:15:51 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88141 i know paul and was talking about it in the streets and i got picked up for saying that the police are useless, thats no crime is it? i know paul and was talking about it in the streets and i got picked up for saying that the police are useless, thats no crime is it?

]]> By: Richard http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88127 Richard Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:09:54 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88127 Paul -- You are right to be outraged at your treatment and I wish you all the luck overturning this travesty of justice. Paul –

You are right to be outraged at your treatment and I wish you all the luck overturning this travesty of justice.

]]> By: Helen Duffett http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88126 Helen Duffett Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:19:08 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88126 Hi Paul, We're concerned too! I've emailed you some info which I hope will help. Helen Hi Paul,

We’re concerned too! I’ve emailed you some info which I hope will help.

Helen

]]> By: Paul Leicester http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88124 Paul Leicester Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:05:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88124 Hello, i am Paul Leicester could you please email me regarding the National Policing Improvement Agency, and i have major concerns for my future about my details remaining on the police database many thanks paul Hello, i am Paul Leicester could you please email me regarding the National Policing Improvement Agency, and i have major concerns for my future about my details remaining on the police database

many thanks

paul

]]> By: Liberttag http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88087 Liberttag Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:46:49 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88087 Time we improved the academic entry qualifications for the Police Service, I think.... Time we improved the academic entry qualifications for the Police Service, I think….

]]> By: Hywel http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88076 Hywel Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:12:05 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88076 "His alleged offence was “theft by finding”" Sounds like something Nobby Nobs would come up with in the Ankh-Morpork City Watch “His alleged offence was “theft by finding””

Sounds like something Nobby Nobs would come up with in the Ankh-Morpork City Watch

]]> By: Catkins http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88071 Catkins Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:51:43 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88071 Even if his DNA is removed, even if he complains and the arrest is ruled unlawful, he'll still be *officially* stigmatised for life. Apply for any job that requires an enhanced CRB check and it will record that he's a suspected thief. What employer will take a chance on someone with a 'police record', when they can pick someone who doesn't? Oh, and he can't travel to the US for the rest of his life without an interview at the embassy (arrested = guilty) I think the problem with the police is that arresting someone is so routine for them, they don't think (actually they don't give a toss) of the effect their actions can have on a law abiding member of the public who would never normally be involved with them. Another tick against the arrest targets and another entry on the database. Even if his DNA is removed, even if he complains and the arrest is ruled unlawful, he’ll still be *officially* stigmatised for life. Apply for any job that requires an enhanced CRB check and it will record that he’s a suspected thief. What employer will take a chance on someone with a ‘police record’, when they can pick someone who doesn’t?

Oh, and he can’t travel to the US for the rest of his life without an interview at the embassy (arrested = guilty)

I think the problem with the police is that arresting someone is so routine for them, they don’t think (actually they don’t give a toss) of the effect their actions can have on a law abiding member of the public who would never normally be involved with them. Another tick against the arrest targets and another entry on the database.

]]> By: Richard Huzzey http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88062 Richard Huzzey Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:05:38 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88062 It seems, over the last year, that there's a weekly succession of stories regarding the police operating in a bizarre fashion. It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic... Richard. It seems, over the last year, that there’s a weekly succession of stories regarding the police operating in a bizarre fashion. It would be comical if it wasn’t so tragic…

Richard.

]]> By: Jock http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88058 Jock Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:18:26 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88058 It's extraordinary isn't it! I believe the excuse given was of the order that "since it was reported as stolen, we had to treat it as theft". Erm, no, police, you have the discretion and if it were obvious that the person was handing it in, rather than, say, caught trying to fence it to someone for their next crack rock, you absolutely do not have to treat it as theft. If you have to go armed with a lawyer now to do a bit of civic duty at a police station, why should anyone bother? In fact, the only reason one would expect even to give your name and address in such a situation is so that the no doubt delighted owner, when reunited with their property, could contact you to thank you! It’s extraordinary isn’t it! I believe the excuse given was of the order that “since it was reported as stolen, we had to treat it as theft”. Erm, no, police, you have the discretion and if it were obvious that the person was handing it in, rather than, say, caught trying to fence it to someone for their next crack rock, you absolutely do not have to treat it as theft.

If you have to go armed with a lawyer now to do a bit of civic duty at a police station, why should anyone bother? In fact, the only reason one would expect even to give your name and address in such a situation is so that the no doubt delighted owner, when reunited with their property, could contact you to thank you!

]]> By: Helen Duffett http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88056 Helen Duffett Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:15:56 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88056 I've just spoken to Merseyside Police, who say that Mr Leicester's DNA is still on the database, but that the process for removing it has begun, "under <a href="http://www.npia.police.uk/en/8934.htm" rel="nofollow">National Policing Improvement Agency</a> guidelines." I’ve just spoken to Merseyside Police, who say that Mr Leicester’s DNA is still on the database, but that the process for removing it has begun, “under National Policing Improvement Agency guidelines.”

]]> By: Lee Griffin http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88042 Lee Griffin Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:54:08 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88042 Fantastic, it's always encouraging to see that the police are finding new ways to criminalise us! Fantastic, it’s always encouraging to see that the police are finding new ways to criminalise us!

]]> By: Alison Wheeler http://www.libdemvoice.org/teenager-arrested-for-handing-in-a-mobile-phone-13230.html#comment-88038 Alison Wheeler Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:49:07 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=13230#comment-88038 but have they also withdrawn his DNA record? but have they also withdrawn his DNA record?

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