What do you mean, “put up”?

Put what up? And put it up where?

Mark, you’ll never make it in Fleet Street.

OK. I’ll consider myself officially shut up, then.

I’d like to be convinced, but I’m immune to your titillating and teasing, so put up or shut up.

The source of that _quotation_ will be left as a (very easy) exercise to the reader.

Although I must say that if the left stands for tax increases for everybody and the right stands for tax cuts only for the rich, then a policy of tax cuts for the poor is a badly needed lurch away from both.

Anyway, as Geoffrey supports capitalism and asquith supports the lib dems, what on earth are we all arguing about here?

I guess the problem is that while we may agree on most issues, our choices of what to praise and what to complain about seem to signal a direction of travel. It might not be clear then, whether we wish to make one step in that direction or follow it to the bitter end.

The way I see it nobody *IS* a tory – either they are liberal or they are wrong and I welcome all supporters and members of the party alike in the promotion of liberalism.

And I was in my teens before 2005. Having grown up in a Daily Hell-”reading”, working-class family, I didn’t know any better. Now that I’ve tried to, and largely succeeded in, educating myself I’ve realised that my earlier brainwashing was wrong but my reward is to be sneered at by anonymous cowards.

Did you actually deign to read the link provided? I defy you to read it, analyse it and then turn round and call me right-wing.

I fought back against the “love bombing” campaign, and instead of being glad you do a Neil Craig and bitch about everyone and everything. Perhaps this is the real secret of why you’re alienated from the party.

I know I’m about to be told that there’s nothing right-wing about cutting taxes, and perhaps even that there’s no such thing as left and right anyway. But I wasn’t born yesterday.

One of you anons referred to Clegg’s lurch to the right. I must have missed it. Please elaborate. What has Clegg done or said that can be construed as a lurch to the right?

No, you just sound like Geoffrey Payne and I remember he has made similar remarks to yours before, so I thought it was possible that he had just forgotten to write his name in the Name box, though he used it earlier in this thread.

If your idea of “winning people over” is getting a lot of Tories to join the party, it’s hardly surprising it’s moved so far to the right!

Oh, please spare us the histrionics. You’re the one who said you’d have voted Tory before the last election (that’s before the Tories went liberal, after all – we’re talking Michael Howard and Iain Duncan Smith here). And that you’d flirting with the Tories even since 2005.

To say nothing of developing “pro-immigration” views only in the last few months! What was it before then – “England for the English”?

But maybe that kind of thing doesn’t even count as right-wing in the Lib Dems today. “Lurch to the right – what lurch to the right?”

Also, as far as I’m aware, my thinking is not representative of anyone (not even myself, maybe) and I’ll never be called upon to enact my views in policy

I reiterate that anyone who regards me as right-wing should study my posting history. Just for you, here’s me venturing into a nest of Mail-”reading” vultures. Do vultures nest? Anyway…

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-wont-libdems-fight-bnp-properly.html

Now you make your way all the way through that, if you can stomach it, and see me standing up for human decency against those scum, and you have the sodding audacity to call me a “right-wing parcenu”, just because I think the society we all want can just be achieved by liberal rather than socialist ends.