Comments on: The David Davis resignation: what it means http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:35:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tudor http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52635 Tudor Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:01:18 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52635 This busines has, sadly, overshadowed the Irish vote. But it does help explore why the proposed process has major constitutional implications. [The following is more than a bit for anoraks: http://leaderswedeserve.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/david-davies-creates-a-new-west-lothian-question/] This busines has, sadly, overshadowed the Irish vote.

But it does help explore why the proposed process has major constitutional implications.

[The following is more than a bit for anoraks: http://leaderswedeserve.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/david-davies-creates-a-new-west-lothian-question/

]]> By: David Evans http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52626 David Evans Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:55:03 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52626 Hywel Morgan asked of my comment: "Lets be honest, the Human Rights Act... has become a beanfeast for lawyers persuing silly cases, wasting court time when there are massive delays in the system already." What are these silly cases - quite a lot have been thrown out at very early stages. You seem to have answered your question to an extent, I wonder what the full cost associated with throwing out the “quite a lot” was even if they were at the very early stages. One specific case, was where Dennis Nielsen, jailed in 1983 for murdering over a dozen young men filed a complaint against the jail for refusing to let him have a homosexual magazine. Perhaps some people do not consider that silly, in hindsight I consider it an example of the catastrophic moral mess that relying solely on the law leads this country to. However the absurdity of the Law also comes from the way it changes what would in the past have been common sense behavior. Here three examples:- “Northumbria police in early 2007 put pictures and names of 5 men who had ‘failed to appear at court’ but didn’t publish what they were wanted for as it would infringe their human rights - presumably to privacy. Now if I saw one of these men, I for one would want to assist the police to apprehend him, but would really like to know whether he was for example violent as it may affect how closely I would follow him to let the police know his whereabouts. I rest my case. Hywel Morgan asked of my comment:

“Lets be honest, the Human Rights Act… has become a beanfeast for lawyers persuing silly cases, wasting court time when there are massive delays in the system already.”

What are these silly cases – quite a lot have been thrown out at very early stages.

You seem to have answered your question to an extent, I wonder what the full cost associated with throwing out the “quite a lot” was even if they were at the very early stages. One specific case, was where Dennis Nielsen, jailed in 1983 for murdering over a dozen young men filed a complaint against the jail for refusing to let him have a homosexual magazine. Perhaps some people do not consider that silly, in hindsight I consider it an example of the catastrophic moral mess that relying solely on the law leads this country to.

However the absurdity of the Law also comes from the way it changes what would in the past have been common sense behavior. Here three examples:- “Northumbria police in early 2007 put pictures and names of 5 men who had ‘failed to appear at court’ but didn’t publish what they were wanted for as it would infringe their human rights – presumably to privacy. Now if I saw one of these men, I for one would want to assist the police to apprehend him, but would really like to know whether he was for example violent as it may affect how closely I would follow him to let the police know his whereabouts.

I rest my case.

]]> By: Andy H http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52625 Andy H Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:14:04 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52625 It's a tiny, pernickety point of law but Rupert Murdoch cannot fund Kelvin McKenzie's by-election campaign can he? As a US citizen he cannot donate more than £200 can he? This would also include donations in kind such as, perhaps, providing a column in his newspaper to Mr McKenzie to advocate the election of a particular candidate in a by-election. If Mr McKenzie stands, could he then have to give up his column in The Sun, or at least not mention the by-election in it? Obviously a company doing business in the UK can make donations, and Mr Murdoch is a large shareholder in such companies but wouldn't he have to justify such a quixotic donation to the other shareholders? It’s a tiny, pernickety point of law but Rupert Murdoch cannot fund Kelvin McKenzie’s by-election campaign can he? As a US citizen he cannot donate more than £200 can he? This would also include donations in kind such as, perhaps, providing a column in his newspaper to Mr McKenzie to advocate the election of a particular candidate in a by-election.

If Mr McKenzie stands, could he then have to give up his column in The Sun, or at least not mention the by-election in it?

Obviously a company doing business in the UK can make donations, and Mr Murdoch is a large shareholder in such companies but wouldn’t he have to justify such a quixotic donation to the other shareholders?

]]> By: Manfarang http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52624 Manfarang Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:01:14 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52624 Is the Liberal Party going to stand? Is the Liberal Party going to stand?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52615 Anonymous Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:42:10 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52615 At last some real competition for David Davis. The Generalist Party will be contesting the by election: http://www.generalistparty.co.uk At last some real competition for David Davis. The Generalist Party will be contesting the by election:
http://www.generalistparty.co.uk

]]> By: Joe Otten http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52540 Joe Otten Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:56:32 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52540 ...by which I mean not a genuine leaked letter. (That's what I meant by apparently.) Text doesn't do tone of voice justice, and I wouldn't want to drive up traffic on false pretences. …by which I mean not a genuine leaked letter. (That’s what I meant by apparently.) Text doesn’t do tone of voice justice, and I wouldn’t want to drive up traffic on false pretences.

]]> By: Joe Otten http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52529 Joe Otten Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:09:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52529 <a href="http://davenicebutknave.blogspot.com/2008/06/farewell-then-david-davis.html" rel="nofollow">Leaked letter</a> from Cameron to Davis, apparently. Leaked letter from Cameron to Davis, apparently.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52501 Darrell Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:34:34 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52501 Anon, the obviously question arises has he changed any of those views and repented and the answer is no he hasn't....we agree with him on one issue, yes it's an important issue but Davis isnt standing on a single issue platform like for example, independants in Kiddiminster did or Martin Bell did...he's standing on the platform of the Conservative Party and his own personal socially authortarian views on other issues remain in place... Anon, the obviously question arises has he changed any of those views and repented and the answer is no he hasn’t….we agree with him on one issue, yes it’s an important issue but Davis isnt standing on a single issue platform like for example, independants in Kiddiminster did or Martin Bell did…he’s standing on the platform of the Conservative Party and his own personal socially authortarian views on other issues remain in place…

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52499 Laurence Boyce Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:29:15 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52499 Ah no, I always side with the unofficial party. Besides, I'm backing Kelvin now. Ah no, I always side with the unofficial party. Besides, I’m backing Kelvin now.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52498 Anonymous Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:28:37 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52498 ColinW wrote: "The vile Davis is a nasty right-wing scumbag. He voted FOR 28 days, so where was his precious Magna Carta then? He just LOVES the death penalty too, & any examination of this awful Tory’s record clearly shows he is a total hypocrite." He might have mend his ways. We should give people the benefit of the doubt if they say that they are prepared to stand for civil rights now, even if they weren't in the past. :-) ColinW wrote: “The vile Davis is a nasty right-wing scumbag. He voted FOR 28 days, so where was his precious Magna Carta then?

He just LOVES the death penalty too, & any examination of this awful Tory’s record clearly shows he is a total hypocrite.”

He might have mend his ways. We should give people the benefit of the doubt if they say that they are prepared to stand for civil rights now, even if they weren’t in the past. :-)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52492 Anonymous Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:24:11 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52492 Laurence Boyce wrote: "I would if I knew what that was." OMRLP = Official Monster Raving Loony Party Laurence Boyce wrote: “I would if I knew what that was.”
OMRLP = Official Monster Raving Loony Party

]]> By: ColinW http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52483 ColinW Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:32:39 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52483 The vile Davis is a nasty right-wing scumbag. He voted FOR 28 days, so where was his precious Magna Carta then? He just LOVES the death penalty too, & any examination of this awful Tory's record clearly shows he is a total hypocrite. Still he has screwed Cameron & the Tories, so that's OK. The vile Davis is a nasty right-wing scumbag. He voted FOR 28 days, so where was his precious Magna Carta then?

He just LOVES the death penalty too, & any examination of this awful Tory’s record clearly shows he is a total hypocrite.

Still he has screwed Cameron & the Tories, so that’s OK.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52478 Darrell Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:49:21 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52478 The poll incidentally is phrased wrongly....i dont want us to stand a candidate because 'people should have the opportunity to vote Lib Dem'...i think we should stand a candidate so we have an indepedant and distinctive voice in this debate Davies has started The poll incidentally is phrased wrongly….i dont want us to stand a candidate because ‘people should have the opportunity to vote Lib Dem’…i think we should stand a candidate so we have an indepedant and distinctive voice in this debate Davies has started

]]> By: Darrell http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52477 Darrell Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:46:40 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52477 We should indeed be standing a candidate...we should not let the Conservative view on the *broad* issue of civil liberties prevail...we can run a campaign saying 'yes, we agree with you on this single issue david' but challenge him on other issues...after all his stated aim is to start a wide-ranging debate not just debate this single issue We should indeed be standing a candidate…we should not let the Conservative view on the *broad* issue of civil liberties prevail…we can run a campaign saying ‘yes, we agree with you on this single issue david’ but challenge him on other issues…after all his stated aim is to start a wide-ranging debate not just debate this single issue

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52475 Laurence Boyce Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:15:53 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52475 I would if I knew what that was. I would if I knew what that was.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52472 Anonymous Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:57:24 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52472 Maybe Laurence Boyce could stand in Haltemprice & Howden on the OMRLP ticket? Maybe Laurence Boyce could stand in Haltemprice & Howden on the OMRLP ticket?

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52408 Laurence Boyce Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:13 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52408 Shirley Williams is being unbelievably crass. Apparently a Davis win against no opponents will prove that the whole country is against 42 days. Shirley Williams is being unbelievably crass. Apparently a Davis win against no opponents will prove that the whole country is against 42 days.

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52406 Laurence Boyce Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:43:42 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52406 George Pascoe-Watson is spot on. An act of political vanity. Davis could have achieved all his goals as Home Secretary. Have we given up on QT threads as well as by-elections? George Pascoe-Watson is spot on. An act of political vanity. Davis could have achieved all his goals as Home Secretary.

Have we given up on QT threads as well as by-elections?

]]> By: Laurence Boyce http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52405 Laurence Boyce Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:41:09 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52405 Oi, where's the QT live thread? Just watching Gove. Can't believe we're giving them a free ride. Oi, where’s the QT live thread? Just watching Gove. Can’t believe we’re giving them a free ride.

]]> By: Hywel Morgan http://www.libdemvoice.org/the-david-davis-resignation-what-it-means-2849.html#comment-52403 Hywel Morgan Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:29:03 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=2849#comment-52403 "Lets be honest, the Human Rights Act... has become a beanfeast for lawyers persuing silly cases, wasting court time when there are massive delays in the system already." What are these silly cases - quite a lot have been thrown out at very early stages. “Lets be honest, the Human Rights Act… has become a beanfeast for lawyers persuing silly cases, wasting court time when there are massive delays in the system already.”

What are these silly cases – quite a lot have been thrown out at very early stages.

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