<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Total Politics Best Blog Poll 2009: vote now!</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html</link>
	<description>Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:13 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: burkesworks</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-96999</link>
		<dc:creator>burkesworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-96999</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m taking my bat home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taking my bat home.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-95202</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-95202</guid>
		<description>fdp100: what is it that you don&#039;t understand about how blogs are supposed to work? Must admit I&#039;m not quite sure how they work other than &quot;blogger blogs, readers read&quot; but if you can give a hint I or someone else will do our best to explain I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fdp100: what is it that you don&#8217;t understand about how blogs are supposed to work? Must admit I&#8217;m not quite sure how they work other than &#8220;blogger blogs, readers read&#8221; but if you can give a hint I or someone else will do our best to explain I&#8217;m sure.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: fdp100</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-95150</link>
		<dc:creator>fdp100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-95150</guid>
		<description>I don&#039;t know 10 blogs - political or otherwise. I would certainly vote for one which explianed how they are supposed to work. The few blogs I have found have all assumed that I fully understand how they work. Never could do the Guardian Crossword either. Perhaps I should stick to producing Focuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know 10 blogs &#8211; political or otherwise. I would certainly vote for one which explianed how they are supposed to work. The few blogs I have found have all assumed that I fully understand how they work. Never could do the Guardian Crossword either. Perhaps I should stick to producing Focuses.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94766</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94766</guid>
		<description>Agreed Tim. I also feel that this awards climate skews the output from blogs so that people go overboard on certain things they normally wouldn&#039;t bother with. Far from being a &quot;bit of fun&quot;, it actually leaves a lot of people frustrated and disappointed.

Like you, I find it completely staggering that Iain Dale includes himself in this awards poll. Has the man got no shame? It&#039;s totally unBritish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Tim. I also feel that this awards climate skews the output from blogs so that people go overboard on certain things they normally wouldn&#8217;t bother with. Far from being a &#8220;bit of fun&#8221;, it actually leaves a lot of people frustrated and disappointed.</p>
<p>Like you, I find it completely staggering that Iain Dale includes himself in this awards poll. Has the man got no shame? It&#8217;s totally unBritish.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94765</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94765</guid>
		<description>&quot;Last year I wrote to Iain asking to be excluded but he wrote back saying it wasn’t possible.&quot;

He played a different game with me; he claimed to be unaware(!) of my wish to be left out. After all, I&#039;d only blogged about it and emailed him. Perhaps I should also have paid for a short notice in the back pages of his magazine.

Anyway, I was also constantly reminded that it was &#039;just a bit of fun&#039;... so why anyone simply HAD to be included is still a bit of a mystery.

Iain&#039;s self-serving poll also does less to promote up-and-coming blogs and more to cement the perceived position of &#039;leading&#039; blogs (i.e. those run by Iain and his mates).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Last year I wrote to Iain asking to be excluded but he wrote back saying it wasn’t possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>He played a different game with me; he claimed to be unaware(!) of my wish to be left out. After all, I&#8217;d only blogged about it and emailed him. Perhaps I should also have paid for a short notice in the back pages of his magazine.</p>
<p>Anyway, I was also constantly reminded that it was &#8216;just a bit of fun&#8217;&#8230; so why anyone simply HAD to be included is still a bit of a mystery.</p>
<p>Iain&#8217;s self-serving poll also does less to promote up-and-coming blogs and more to cement the perceived position of &#8216;leading&#8217; blogs (i.e. those run by Iain and his mates).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94761</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94761</guid>
		<description>&quot;First, there’s the ‘negative’ reason: the list is going to happen anyway, so why not at least try and ensure that Lib Dem blogs get a fair crack of the whip?&quot; 

I think you need to be careful advancing this sort of argument. Obviously the TP awards are relatively benign and I am not suggesting for a second there is a paralell here. But your argument brings to mind the situation of cricket tours of South Africa during the apartheid regime and the sort of argument advanced then. &quot;The games are going to happen anyway, so why not make sure England has a good chance of winning by making sure our best players go?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, there’s the ‘negative’ reason: the list is going to happen anyway, so why not at least try and ensure that Lib Dem blogs get a fair crack of the whip?&#8221; </p>
<p>I think you need to be careful advancing this sort of argument. Obviously the TP awards are relatively benign and I am not suggesting for a second there is a paralell here. But your argument brings to mind the situation of cricket tours of South Africa during the apartheid regime and the sort of argument advanced then. &#8220;The games are going to happen anyway, so why not make sure England has a good chance of winning by making sure our best players go?&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul Walter</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94758</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94758</guid>
		<description>I understand your thinking Stephen and it is good to see up and coming blogs recognised. But I find the whole blog awards industry to be a complete pile of poo which brings out the very worst and pettiest vanity and preening in otherwise humble and sane people. I wish I could &quot;mute&quot; any mention of sodding blog awards from my computer. They disgust me. I don&#039;t know any other area of life which is so intensely awarded for such pathetically small readership. Last year I asked to be excluded from any consideration for the Total Politics and LibDem Blog Awards and I will do the same again this year. I am glad TP are allowing people to opt out this year. Last year I wrote to Iain asking to be excluded but he wrote back saying it wasn&#039;t possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your thinking Stephen and it is good to see up and coming blogs recognised. But I find the whole blog awards industry to be a complete pile of poo which brings out the very worst and pettiest vanity and preening in otherwise humble and sane people. I wish I could &#8220;mute&#8221; any mention of sodding blog awards from my computer. They disgust me. I don&#8217;t know any other area of life which is so intensely awarded for such pathetically small readership. Last year I asked to be excluded from any consideration for the Total Politics and LibDem Blog Awards and I will do the same again this year. I am glad TP are allowing people to opt out this year. Last year I wrote to Iain asking to be excluded but he wrote back saying it wasn&#8217;t possible.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94692</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94692</guid>
		<description>PS - You&#039;re a liar and a cheat...
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2008/04/this_is_spinal.asp
... and I wouldn&#039;t trust you to count Dracula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS &#8211; You&#8217;re a liar and a cheat&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2008/04/this_is_spinal.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2008/04/this_is_spinal.asp</a><br />
&#8230; and I wouldn&#8217;t trust you to count Dracula.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94691</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94691</guid>
		<description>Oh, spare me. Are you really going to claim that 12 months after the fact?

Note, Iain, how important you thought it - this time - to discourage other bloggers from posting their own lists of preferences. This measure of influence from bloggers &#039;conducting&#039; the poll (i.e. linking to it) is just the tip of the iceberg, but you refused time and again to admit it.

The voting was primarily promoted by and conducted on your site - a site with an audience boasting 70% Tory voters (as revealed by a later poll). You then slapped a &#039;Total Politic&#039; label on the results, implying that the poll was as balanced as your magazine&#039;s coverage claims to be.

When asked to show referral data that backed up your assertions that your poll was not biased to the right, you refused. (You still have access to this data via Google Analytics, BTW. All you need is the referral data to your site and/or &#039;vote now&#039; post(s) from the relevant time period.)

There&#039;s also the small matter of you forcing people to be included against their wishes while insisting that it was &#039;just a bit of fun&#039; - oh, and you refusing to acknowledge the full extent of boycott(s) on your blog or in print. Those that you did list were downplayed or misrepresented. Short version here is that you could have avoided a lot of fuss just by leaving me out of it as I asked - but, no, you had to have your way and make out that it was me being difficult when all I wanted was to be left out of it.

This year, by incorporating a LibDem and Labour site in the core endorsement/promotion, you show that you recognise the bias of previous polls... but you&#039;re just too stubborn and pigheaded to come out and say it.
And, once again, you totally fail to recognise that you shouldn&#039;t compete in a poll that you conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, spare me. Are you really going to claim that 12 months after the fact?</p>
<p>Note, Iain, how important you thought it &#8211; this time &#8211; to discourage other bloggers from posting their own lists of preferences. This measure of influence from bloggers &#8216;conducting&#8217; the poll (i.e. linking to it) is just the tip of the iceberg, but you refused time and again to admit it.</p>
<p>The voting was primarily promoted by and conducted on your site &#8211; a site with an audience boasting 70% Tory voters (as revealed by a later poll). You then slapped a &#8216;Total Politic&#8217; label on the results, implying that the poll was as balanced as your magazine&#8217;s coverage claims to be.</p>
<p>When asked to show referral data that backed up your assertions that your poll was not biased to the right, you refused. (You still have access to this data via Google Analytics, BTW. All you need is the referral data to your site and/or &#8216;vote now&#8217; post(s) from the relevant time period.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the small matter of you forcing people to be included against their wishes while insisting that it was &#8216;just a bit of fun&#8217; &#8211; oh, and you refusing to acknowledge the full extent of boycott(s) on your blog or in print. Those that you did list were downplayed or misrepresented. Short version here is that you could have avoided a lot of fuss just by leaving me out of it as I asked &#8211; but, no, you had to have your way and make out that it was me being difficult when all I wanted was to be left out of it.</p>
<p>This year, by incorporating a LibDem and Labour site in the core endorsement/promotion, you show that you recognise the bias of previous polls&#8230; but you&#8217;re just too stubborn and pigheaded to come out and say it.<br />
And, once again, you totally fail to recognise that you shouldn&#8217;t compete in a poll that you conduct.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Iain Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94688</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94688</guid>
		<description>It was conducted on my blog, and 79 others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was conducted on my blog, and 79 others.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/total-politics-best-blog-poll-2009-vote-now-15653.html#comment-94679</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=15653#comment-94679</guid>
		<description>So Iain Dale finally recognises that last year&#039;s &#039;Total Politics&#039; poll conducted on his website (with 70% Tory voters) might have been just a wee bit biased. But is he going to finally come out and say it? Somehow, I doubt it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Iain Dale finally recognises that last year&#8217;s &#8216;Total Politics&#8217; poll conducted on his website (with 70% Tory voters) might have been just a wee bit biased. But is he going to finally come out and say it? Somehow, I doubt it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

