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		<title>By: localvoter</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/what-does-crewe-mean-for-the-lib-dems-2743.html#comment-49892</link>
		<dc:creator>localvoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Yasmin,

&quot;The dropping of the locally selected candidate&quot; etc etc

Do I really need to explain this again?

It has long been the practice to reselect for byelections (best part of twenty years I believe).

The &quot;locally selected candidate&quot; (Marc Goodwin) applied for reselection, but was unsuccessful. Many of us [myself included] have been through that experience! Most of us do not then throw our toys out of the pram.

LOCAL MEMBERS chose Elizabeth Shenton, who proved an excellent candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Yasmin,</p>
<p>&#8220;The dropping of the locally selected candidate&#8221; etc etc</p>
<p>Do I really need to explain this again?</p>
<p>It has long been the practice to reselect for byelections (best part of twenty years I believe).</p>
<p>The &#8220;locally selected candidate&#8221; (Marc Goodwin) applied for reselection, but was unsuccessful. Many of us [myself included] have been through that experience! Most of us do not then throw our toys out of the pram.</p>
<p>LOCAL MEMBERS chose Elizabeth Shenton, who proved an excellent candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Yasmin Zalzala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yasmin Zalzala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 14:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what the Crewe and Nantwich By election has shown how irrelevant the Liberal Democrats are.  They are the party of opportunists and home to a protest vote. Nothing more.

The dropping of the locally selected candidate for a candidate who is more likely to win the constituency is the most glaring manifestation of how unprincipled and leaderless the Lib Dems are/have become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what the Crewe and Nantwich By election has shown how irrelevant the Liberal Democrats are.  They are the party of opportunists and home to a protest vote. Nothing more.</p>
<p>The dropping of the locally selected candidate for a candidate who is more likely to win the constituency is the most glaring manifestation of how unprincipled and leaderless the Lib Dems are/have become.</p>
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		<title>By: FH</title>
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		<dc:creator>FH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 10:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The problem is not Nick, but how we are projecting him and our party.&lt;/i&gt;

Or really -- as Alix says above -- how the media project us. For the commentariat the narrative is still about the Tories and Labour fighting for the center ground. What hasn&#039;t yet &quot;jelled&quot; is the realization that Labour is very nearly a spent force, having sacrificed its core support for power a decade ago and having lost the aspirational middle now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem is not Nick, but how we are projecting him and our party.</i></p>
<p>Or really &#8212; as Alix says above &#8212; how the media project us. For the commentariat the narrative is still about the Tories and Labour fighting for the center ground. What hasn&#8217;t yet &#8220;jelled&#8221; is the realization that Labour is very nearly a spent force, having sacrificed its core support for power a decade ago and having lost the aspirational middle now.</p>
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		<title>By: localvoter</title>
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		<dc:creator>localvoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just before we beat ourselves up totally, consider a few facts about C&amp;N

1. We were starting from a very clear 3rd place (apart from a welcome &#039;blip&#039; in 2005 the LD vote has been 11-15% in the past)

2. A 3 week campaign

3. The local party is very small

4. They were in the middle of a very difficult set of local elections to a new unitary council - the targetting policy was spot on for the UA (and resulted in 2 gains), but probably not great for a parliamentary byelection!

5. C&amp;N Conservatives have benefitted from considerable support (Ashcroft probably; Coleshill certainly) for the past 2-3 years

Against that background being &quot;squeezed&quot; to probably the best share of the vote (2005 aside) since the seat was created was not bad at all !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just before we beat ourselves up totally, consider a few facts about C&amp;N</p>
<p>1. We were starting from a very clear 3rd place (apart from a welcome &#8216;blip&#8217; in 2005 the LD vote has been 11-15% in the past)</p>
<p>2. A 3 week campaign</p>
<p>3. The local party is very small</p>
<p>4. They were in the middle of a very difficult set of local elections to a new unitary council &#8211; the targetting policy was spot on for the UA (and resulted in 2 gains), but probably not great for a parliamentary byelection!</p>
<p>5. C&amp;N Conservatives have benefitted from considerable support (Ashcroft probably; Coleshill certainly) for the past 2-3 years</p>
<p>Against that background being &#8220;squeezed&#8221; to probably the best share of the vote (2005 aside) since the seat was created was not bad at all !</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 11:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - what utter nonsense. Since Nick was elected we have moved up from 13% to 22% in the latest poll. 

The problem is not Nick, but how we are projecting him and our party. C&amp;N and London showed something - but equally so did the gains we nade elsewhere. What we have seen is local parties campaigning more smartly than our central party organisation, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; what utter nonsense. Since Nick was elected we have moved up from 13% to 22% in the latest poll. </p>
<p>The problem is not Nick, but how we are projecting him and our party. C&amp;N and London showed something &#8211; but equally so did the gains we nade elsewhere. What we have seen is local parties campaigning more smartly than our central party organisation, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: David Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell me you aren&#039;t hinting at a third leadership election in 3 years ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell me you aren&#8217;t hinting at a third leadership election in 3 years ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Jobson</title>
		<link>http://www.libdemvoice.org/what-does-crewe-mean-for-the-lib-dems-2743.html#comment-49690</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Jobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a party member since 1966 it worries me that Nick is not cutting the mustard. Nice chap, telegenic like Cameron but something just isn&#039;t gelling. I can&#039;t put my finger on the problem, but there is one as C&amp;N and London showed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a party member since 1966 it worries me that Nick is not cutting the mustard. Nice chap, telegenic like Cameron but something just isn&#8217;t gelling. I can&#8217;t put my finger on the problem, but there is one as C&amp;N and London showed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: OK, I just went and had a look at those. They&#039;ve done a pretty good job of hiding the links at the bottom of the pages, but yes, there is more policy there than I noticed this morning. Unfortunately, I think the policy content could be expressed in about a third of the space that the document actually takes up, certainly in the case of the education one, which is the one I spent a bit of time sifting through. The rest is mood-music, a ramble through their criticisms of Labour, and a discussion of what happens elsewhere in the world - all very well as part of the policy-making process, but it&#039;s a little bit disingenuous to use it to bulk out your policy documents.

The fact also remains that they only have policy available on Schools, Prisons and Welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: OK, I just went and had a look at those. They&#8217;ve done a pretty good job of hiding the links at the bottom of the pages, but yes, there is more policy there than I noticed this morning. Unfortunately, I think the policy content could be expressed in about a third of the space that the document actually takes up, certainly in the case of the education one, which is the one I spent a bit of time sifting through. The rest is mood-music, a ramble through their criticisms of Labour, and a discussion of what happens elsewhere in the world &#8211; all very well as part of the policy-making process, but it&#8217;s a little bit disingenuous to use it to bulk out your policy documents.</p>
<p>The fact also remains that they only have policy available on Schools, Prisons and Welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff James, I do believe that you have a good point about the time to take Labour apart generally as our party could benefit by replacing them and may well be able to pass them in the polls.

There will be a lot of disillusioned Labour helpers / members looking for a new party to back / join.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff James, I do believe that you have a good point about the time to take Labour apart generally as our party could benefit by replacing them and may well be able to pass them in the polls.</p>
<p>There will be a lot of disillusioned Labour helpers / members looking for a new party to back / join.</p>
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		<title>By: James, Swadlincote</title>
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		<dc:creator>James, Swadlincote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Hinton: Check out their &quot;Agenda for Change&quot; .pdf&#039;s on their website. They&#039;ve also announced what they intend to do RE: Schools and touched on defence recently.

Personally I felt sorry for the Lib Dems at C&amp;N and really hope they do well at the GE [and I&#039;m a Tory]

Personally if it were me I&#039;d be talking to Mr Clegg about drawing up &quot;opposing&quot; lines and policies to run on against Labour, tearing their whole vote apart and bringing the Lib Dems into official opposition. Personally I think that they&#039;d do well to rename themselves the Liberal Party again. Both Cameron and Brown refer to them only as the &quot;liberal Party&quot; now, as do a number of media pundits.

Well done on C&amp;N anyway, shame you didn&#039;t do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Hinton: Check out their &#8220;Agenda for Change&#8221; .pdf&#8217;s on their website. They&#8217;ve also announced what they intend to do RE: Schools and touched on defence recently.</p>
<p>Personally I felt sorry for the Lib Dems at C&amp;N and really hope they do well at the GE [and I'm a Tory]</p>
<p>Personally if it were me I&#8217;d be talking to Mr Clegg about drawing up &#8220;opposing&#8221; lines and policies to run on against Labour, tearing their whole vote apart and bringing the Lib Dems into official opposition. Personally I think that they&#8217;d do well to rename themselves the Liberal Party again. Both Cameron and Brown refer to them only as the &#8220;liberal Party&#8221; now, as do a number of media pundits.</p>
<p>Well done on C&amp;N anyway, shame you didn&#8217;t do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I wrote on my own site, I think perhaps a suitable line on Henley is simply to point out that Cameron is taking Tory voters for mugs. He hasn&#039;t made any policy commitments at all, ergo a Tory voter is voting for little more than a pleasant sounding policy-free haze. We should paint ourselves as the heavyweight alternative to Brown, the people who&#039;ve got Vince and who were warning about all the current economic problems first, and the people with a solid set of alternative proposals for a more liberal Britain. Whereas the Tories have tax cuts for dead millionaires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I wrote on my own site, I think perhaps a suitable line on Henley is simply to point out that Cameron is taking Tory voters for mugs. He hasn&#8217;t made any policy commitments at all, ergo a Tory voter is voting for little more than a pleasant sounding policy-free haze. We should paint ourselves as the heavyweight alternative to Brown, the people who&#8217;ve got Vince and who were warning about all the current economic problems first, and the people with a solid set of alternative proposals for a more liberal Britain. Whereas the Tories have tax cuts for dead millionaires.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well considering there&#039;s little chance of an anti-Brown feeling causing any swing in the leafy parts of the thames valley we&#039;ve got an oppotunity to really define his style of leadership.

Considering the security of the seat, under current circumstances of a percieved tory revival, anything except a complete wipout will fail to impinge on his personal standing - and with Labour nowhere and likely to fall further we really can&#039;t lose.

Henley is definitely a straight choice, but let&#039;s make it a clear choice.

A victory for us in Henley would be a dream for us as a party and a nightmare for Cameron - and it is a distinct possibility (if an outside one).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well considering there&#8217;s little chance of an anti-Brown feeling causing any swing in the leafy parts of the thames valley we&#8217;ve got an oppotunity to really define his style of leadership.</p>
<p>Considering the security of the seat, under current circumstances of a percieved tory revival, anything except a complete wipout will fail to impinge on his personal standing &#8211; and with Labour nowhere and likely to fall further we really can&#8217;t lose.</p>
<p>Henley is definitely a straight choice, but let&#8217;s make it a clear choice.</p>
<p>A victory for us in Henley would be a dream for us as a party and a nightmare for Cameron &#8211; and it is a distinct possibility (if an outside one).</p>
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		<title>By: Dafs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dafs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or &#039;lunched in a lift&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or &#8216;lunched in a lift&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite like the ‘left in a lurch’ line for this one.

I should probably add to the above by saying your proposed line would still be better than anything that smacked of a &#039;lurch to the left&#039; from us :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like the ‘left in a lurch’ line for this one.</p>
<p>I should probably add to the above by saying your proposed line would still be better than anything that smacked of a &#8216;lurch to the left&#8217; from us <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I quite like the ‘left in a lurch’ line for this one.&quot;

I&#039;m sure whatever message is used will be properly tested. My hunch on this one though is that it will leave most of the voters feeling decided &#039;so what&#039;. Boris was a popular MP and most people will wish him well in his new role. Further Henley is not a socially-deprived area where the MP needs to wade knee-deep through casework to get to their desk every morning. So it&#039;s not like inner London where losing the MP really can make a big impact on a large number of people&#039;s lives. Nor do I think a &#039;he left you for London&#039; line will matter much given many Henley residents are commuters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I quite like the ‘left in a lurch’ line for this one.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure whatever message is used will be properly tested. My hunch on this one though is that it will leave most of the voters feeling decided &#8216;so what&#8217;. Boris was a popular MP and most people will wish him well in his new role. Further Henley is not a socially-deprived area where the MP needs to wade knee-deep through casework to get to their desk every morning. So it&#8217;s not like inner London where losing the MP really can make a big impact on a large number of people&#8217;s lives. Nor do I think a &#8216;he left you for London&#8217; line will matter much given many Henley residents are commuters.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the tories are going to be able to use the same style of campaign in Henley as in C&amp;N - they&#039;d be making our arguments for us, yet expecting the electorate to use opposite logic.

An anti-government protest in Henley? That&#039;s perverse, especially with Boris now in situ in London&#039;s &#039;government&#039;.

I quite like the &#039;left in a lurch&#039; line for this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the tories are going to be able to use the same style of campaign in Henley as in C&amp;N &#8211; they&#8217;d be making our arguments for us, yet expecting the electorate to use opposite logic.</p>
<p>An anti-government protest in Henley? That&#8217;s perverse, especially with Boris now in situ in London&#8217;s &#8216;government&#8217;.</p>
<p>I quite like the &#8216;left in a lurch&#8217; line for this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Mayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Morton&#039;s analysis is spot on. I&#039;m not sure Martin Land&#039;s criticism of the style of our campaign is entirely correct. If anything C&amp;N shows the Conservatives have finally learnt how to copy our &#039;Rennardista&#039; by-election tactics. I understand their campaign was all people and MPs in volume, post offices,  and winning here / two-horse race messages.   But from a more credible base of a good second place. 

While it may not be a comfort that the Conservatives can match our ground war, and punch stronger on the phones and media campaign, much of that is down to better financing and motivation, not campaign team weaknesses. 

On that point, Joe&#039;s comment about working harder is a bit &#039;Boxer&#039; from Animal Farm. There&#039;s a limit to how much you can achieve with volunteers, and the more you crack the whip the more you wear people out. That&#039;s not a sustainable model, particularly not when morale could be higher. 

Onwards to Henley... where personally I feel we&#039;ve two targets: 1) and most achieveable - squeezing Labour to the point where they lose their deposit and 2) hoping for a Tory gaffe that makes winning the seat a possibility. 

On our own narrative I sincerely hope Nick&#039;s recent tax-cutting aspiration will play a major part in the campaign. Henley will represent a very good opportunity to test a narrative for holding the South  come the General Election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Morton&#8217;s analysis is spot on. I&#8217;m not sure Martin Land&#8217;s criticism of the style of our campaign is entirely correct. If anything C&amp;N shows the Conservatives have finally learnt how to copy our &#8216;Rennardista&#8217; by-election tactics. I understand their campaign was all people and MPs in volume, post offices,  and winning here / two-horse race messages.   But from a more credible base of a good second place. </p>
<p>While it may not be a comfort that the Conservatives can match our ground war, and punch stronger on the phones and media campaign, much of that is down to better financing and motivation, not campaign team weaknesses. </p>
<p>On that point, Joe&#8217;s comment about working harder is a bit &#8216;Boxer&#8217; from Animal Farm. There&#8217;s a limit to how much you can achieve with volunteers, and the more you crack the whip the more you wear people out. That&#8217;s not a sustainable model, particularly not when morale could be higher. </p>
<p>Onwards to Henley&#8230; where personally I feel we&#8217;ve two targets: 1) and most achieveable &#8211; squeezing Labour to the point where they lose their deposit and 2) hoping for a Tory gaffe that makes winning the seat a possibility. </p>
<p>On our own narrative I sincerely hope Nick&#8217;s recent tax-cutting aspiration will play a major part in the campaign. Henley will represent a very good opportunity to test a narrative for holding the South  come the General Election.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 13:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Crewe wasn&#039;t bad. 

We fought off the two-party squeeze better than we did in the London elections only a few weeks ago.

So the Tories aren&#039;t as strong up north, while Labour weakness is clearly nationwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, Crewe wasn&#8217;t bad. </p>
<p>We fought off the two-party squeeze better than we did in the London elections only a few weeks ago.</p>
<p>So the Tories aren&#8217;t as strong up north, while Labour weakness is clearly nationwide.</p>
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		<title>By: Alix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clearly I had an Edward &amp; Mrs Simpson flashback.&quot;

You&#039;ve aged remarkably well, Stephen!

Mildly disappointing is how I&#039;d call it too.

I like David Morton&#039;s analysis and sympathise (per my own post today) with Martin Land&#039;s frustration.

But I think the extra factor to be thrown into the mix of how we repair our campaignng strategy is the enormous drag factor of the national media not liking us. It&#039;s not as simple as throwing out Rennardism and starting again. I&#039;m not sayng we can&#039;t do *anything* about the national media problem (and I think Clegg has the right approach in simply bypassing the national machine wherever possible) but we mustn&#039;t be surprisd if, say,we completely revamp our campaigning armoury and still find ourselves with the same vote share. Whatever we do on the ground always has the potential to be wiped away at a stroke by the entrenched two-party consensus. We ought to improve ourcampaigning for its own sake, not because we&#039;re expecting it to make The Difference. It won&#039;t, by itself.

In particular we&#039;d be unwise to adopt the same tactics as the oter two parties, who operate broadly speaking with the approval of the national press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clearly I had an Edward &amp; Mrs Simpson flashback.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve aged remarkably well, Stephen!</p>
<p>Mildly disappointing is how I&#8217;d call it too.</p>
<p>I like David Morton&#8217;s analysis and sympathise (per my own post today) with Martin Land&#8217;s frustration.</p>
<p>But I think the extra factor to be thrown into the mix of how we repair our campaignng strategy is the enormous drag factor of the national media not liking us. It&#8217;s not as simple as throwing out Rennardism and starting again. I&#8217;m not sayng we can&#8217;t do *anything* about the national media problem (and I think Clegg has the right approach in simply bypassing the national machine wherever possible) but we mustn&#8217;t be surprisd if, say,we completely revamp our campaigning armoury and still find ourselves with the same vote share. Whatever we do on the ground always has the potential to be wiped away at a stroke by the entrenched two-party consensus. We ought to improve ourcampaigning for its own sake, not because we&#8217;re expecting it to make The Difference. It won&#8217;t, by itself.</p>
<p>In particular we&#8217;d be unwise to adopt the same tactics as the oter two parties, who operate broadly speaking with the approval of the national press.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points all round I think....I think Henley will be a big test of how much we can withstand the pressure of a resurgent Conservative Party.

David Morton makes good points, it&#039;s totally possible that we could lose as many seats to the Tories as we gain from Labour. The real contest is to determine who will be the opposition to the next Conservative government so while it make electoral sense to train more of our guns on Labour I think that would be wrong. We need to prove that we can hold the Conservatives to account and to paraphrase Eric Pickles last night that the best way to get Lib Dem policies is to vote Lib Dem. This is definatly a time for clear blue water between us and the Tories.  We need to explain and draw out the differences between our two parties and their program into sharp contrast. 

It is my belife that the party squeezed at the next election will be Labour and in the seats we are second we will benefit from anti-Labour tactical voting. In those seats where we start from a low base the focus needs to be on building from the bottom up and spreading awareness of ourselves. We have two years to the next election so we should treat this as a long run in....in the seats where we are strong pushing over the tipping point...in the seats where we are not starting effectively from scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points all round I think&#8230;.I think Henley will be a big test of how much we can withstand the pressure of a resurgent Conservative Party.</p>
<p>David Morton makes good points, it&#8217;s totally possible that we could lose as many seats to the Tories as we gain from Labour. The real contest is to determine who will be the opposition to the next Conservative government so while it make electoral sense to train more of our guns on Labour I think that would be wrong. We need to prove that we can hold the Conservatives to account and to paraphrase Eric Pickles last night that the best way to get Lib Dem policies is to vote Lib Dem. This is definatly a time for clear blue water between us and the Tories.  We need to explain and draw out the differences between our two parties and their program into sharp contrast. </p>
<p>It is my belife that the party squeezed at the next election will be Labour and in the seats we are second we will benefit from anti-Labour tactical voting. In those seats where we start from a low base the focus needs to be on building from the bottom up and spreading awareness of ourselves. We have two years to the next election so we should treat this as a long run in&#8230;.in the seats where we are strong pushing over the tipping point&#8230;in the seats where we are not starting effectively from scratch.</p>
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