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	<title>Comments on: What does Henley mean for the Lib Dems?</title>
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		<title>By: Martin Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Ian, you mean the well known Iain &#039;10606&#039; Dale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Ian, you mean the well known Iain &#8217;10606&#8242; Dale?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Thorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules,
Though I did not use the term &quot;braying&quot; I certainly saw several posts by well know Conservative bloggers writing off the &quot;insignificant&quot;, &quot;deluded&quot; Liberal Democrars as &quot;finished and a &quot;spent force.&quot; Among these gloaters was Iain Dale.

Now I like Iain&#039;s site, he&#039;s a good blogger with a sense of fun and he understands there&#039;s a place for a bit of clowning and exchanging insults. Which is unlike the braying Hooray Henries who used to fawn around The Gorgon Of Grantham and who earned the Conservative Party such a bad name.

So when you, presumably a Conservative, mention Lib Dem pejoratives it is, is it not, a case of the pot calling the kettle black?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules,<br />
Though I did not use the term &#8220;braying&#8221; I certainly saw several posts by well know Conservative bloggers writing off the &#8220;insignificant&#8221;, &#8220;deluded&#8221; Liberal Democrars as &#8220;finished and a &#8220;spent force.&#8221; Among these gloaters was Iain Dale.</p>
<p>Now I like Iain&#8217;s site, he&#8217;s a good blogger with a sense of fun and he understands there&#8217;s a place for a bit of clowning and exchanging insults. Which is unlike the braying Hooray Henries who used to fawn around The Gorgon Of Grantham and who earned the Conservative Party such a bad name.</p>
<p>So when you, presumably a Conservative, mention Lib Dem pejoratives it is, is it not, a case of the pot calling the kettle black?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul "just joined the Lib Dems"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul "just joined the Lib Dems"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lib Dems shouldnt get too worried too much about the Tory win in Henley. It was more a protest anti-Brown vote than a pro Cameron/Tory vote. That is what people everywhere are feeling as the New Labour project sinks. The papers write about nothing else. So the fact that the Lib Dem vote held is good. We were never going to buck the political trend right now and win. I agree with Ian Thorpe. There is between now and the general election an opportunity for Lib Dems to take soft Labour votes and to work at exposing Cameron as vapid. Lets do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lib Dems shouldnt get too worried too much about the Tory win in Henley. It was more a protest anti-Brown vote than a pro Cameron/Tory vote. That is what people everywhere are feeling as the New Labour project sinks. The papers write about nothing else. So the fact that the Lib Dem vote held is good. We were never going to buck the political trend right now and win. I agree with Ian Thorpe. There is between now and the general election an opportunity for Lib Dems to take soft Labour votes and to work at exposing Cameron as vapid. Lets do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who pray, are the Tories that bray on the back of the Henley result? I have neither seen nor heard any &quot;braying in triumph&quot; (like the toffs all Tories are of course) - at what was a a predictable victory in natural Conservative territory and a predictable hammering for labour that only the blind faithful refused to see coming? You just can&#039;t leave the spiteful, hallmark little LibDem pejoratives alone ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who pray, are the Tories that bray on the back of the Henley result? I have neither seen nor heard any &#8220;braying in triumph&#8221; (like the toffs all Tories are of course) &#8211; at what was a a predictable victory in natural Conservative territory and a predictable hammering for labour that only the blind faithful refused to see coming? You just can&#8217;t leave the spiteful, hallmark little LibDem pejoratives alone &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dane Clouston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane Clouston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Thorpe,

&#039;Lower taxes by leaving the EU&#039; might do the trick.

Along with &#039;reduce the inequality of wealth between them and us&#039;.

Gross inequality of inheritance is a disgrace to equality of opportunity - and of results - in a liberal capitalist democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Thorpe,</p>
<p>&#8216;Lower taxes by leaving the EU&#8217; might do the trick.</p>
<p>Along with &#8216;reduce the inequality of wealth between them and us&#8217;.</p>
<p>Gross inequality of inheritance is a disgrace to equality of opportunity &#8211; and of results &#8211; in a liberal capitalist democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Thorpe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Thorpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its obvious that as the Tories lose their &quot;sweaty toothed madmen&quot; image defectors to the Lib Dems will return to the fold.
What Nick Clegg must do now is find a way to change the habit of disgruntled Labout voters from going right to the opposite end of the spectrum.

I recall campaigning &quot;on the knocker&quot; for a Liberal in Accrington in 1979. One lifelong Labour voter told me he would be &quot;voting for Maggie because she&#039;ll give us a bit off the income tax, a bit off the beer and a bit off the ciggies.&quot;

How to argue against that level of political thinking? I&#039;m glad it&#039;s not my problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its obvious that as the Tories lose their &#8220;sweaty toothed madmen&#8221; image defectors to the Lib Dems will return to the fold.<br />
What Nick Clegg must do now is find a way to change the habit of disgruntled Labout voters from going right to the opposite end of the spectrum.</p>
<p>I recall campaigning &#8220;on the knocker&#8221; for a Liberal in Accrington in 1979. One lifelong Labour voter told me he would be &#8220;voting for Maggie because she&#8217;ll give us a bit off the income tax, a bit off the beer and a bit off the ciggies.&#8221;</p>
<p>How to argue against that level of political thinking? I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s not my problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the issues that have been discussed here are raised in this interview with Nick Clegg (though it was conducted before the Henley result, apparently):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/nick-clegg-whats-the-big-idea-856597.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the issues that have been discussed here are raised in this interview with Nick Clegg (though it was conducted before the Henley result, apparently):<br />
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/nick-clegg-whats-the-big-idea-856597.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/nick-clegg-whats-the-big-idea-856597.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Stephen&#039;s overall analysis is reasonable.  If the lib dems had not run the campaign they did they probably would have lost 70% to 15% and everyone would be saying it was a disaster.

To those that have argued for a &#039;holding operation&#039; - I don&#039;t think you can in a by-election.  You either fight hard or get squashed.

The big difference between henley and bromley was that in Bromley the Tories were complacent and that allowed the lib dems to build momentum.  in henley they worked hard in the last week than the Lib Dems did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stephen&#8217;s overall analysis is reasonable.  If the lib dems had not run the campaign they did they probably would have lost 70% to 15% and everyone would be saying it was a disaster.</p>
<p>To those that have argued for a &#8216;holding operation&#8217; &#8211; I don&#8217;t think you can in a by-election.  You either fight hard or get squashed.</p>
<p>The big difference between henley and bromley was that in Bromley the Tories were complacent and that allowed the lib dems to build momentum.  in henley they worked hard in the last week than the Lib Dems did.</p>
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		<title>By: Torymory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torymory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Tory over from Iain Dale writes:

I think one of the reasons the Tories have won these last 2 By-Elections is because of the power of blogs!

I was a local Tory worker in the 1987 Greenwich by-election and the 2006 Bromley By-Election. What horrified me in Bromley was the that we (the Tories) were making exactly the same tactical &amp; strategic mistakes that we had made 20 years earlier.

However, unlike in 1987, party workers like myself could communicate directly with the top. ConservativeHome ran a very public postmortem in which party workers on the ground could vent their rage, and also give positive suggestions for improving our future campaigning.

Francis Maude, the then Party Chairman  received from me in my capacity as a Bromley Ward Chairman two long e-mails. I was just one of many local activists and &quot;mutual aiders&quot; who contributed to a very painful, but useful debate. 

It seems to me that the party hierarchy, now knowing what really happened on the ground in previous By-Elections has finally got it&#039;s act together.

As a general point, blogging will change the nature of all political parties as it  enables the party grass roots to communicate directly with the top. Derek Conway MP was toast, as soon as the 90% plus disapproval rating on ConservativeHome was publised. And of course the Obama success shows how politicians can by-pass the party machine altogether and reach out directly to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Tory over from Iain Dale writes:</p>
<p>I think one of the reasons the Tories have won these last 2 By-Elections is because of the power of blogs!</p>
<p>I was a local Tory worker in the 1987 Greenwich by-election and the 2006 Bromley By-Election. What horrified me in Bromley was the that we (the Tories) were making exactly the same tactical &amp; strategic mistakes that we had made 20 years earlier.</p>
<p>However, unlike in 1987, party workers like myself could communicate directly with the top. ConservativeHome ran a very public postmortem in which party workers on the ground could vent their rage, and also give positive suggestions for improving our future campaigning.</p>
<p>Francis Maude, the then Party Chairman  received from me in my capacity as a Bromley Ward Chairman two long e-mails. I was just one of many local activists and &#8220;mutual aiders&#8221; who contributed to a very painful, but useful debate. </p>
<p>It seems to me that the party hierarchy, now knowing what really happened on the ground in previous By-Elections has finally got it&#8217;s act together.</p>
<p>As a general point, blogging will change the nature of all political parties as it  enables the party grass roots to communicate directly with the top. Derek Conway MP was toast, as soon as the 90% plus disapproval rating on ConservativeHome was publised. And of course the Obama success shows how politicians can by-pass the party machine altogether and reach out directly to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Crowley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Crowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely one of the major problems of the Lib Dems is their total failure to want to take on Labour.
As a party you still are wedded to the doctrine of taking out the Tories whereas in the present climate your best chances of success are against the NuLabour machine.
I am afraid that too many people in your party are shying away from the reality of this situatio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely one of the major problems of the Lib Dems is their total failure to want to take on Labour.<br />
As a party you still are wedded to the doctrine of taking out the Tories whereas in the present climate your best chances of success are against the NuLabour machine.<br />
I am afraid that too many people in your party are shying away from the reality of this situatio.</p>
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		<title>By: TorySpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>TorySpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came over to have a look from Iain Dale&#039;s blog.

I have said it a few times there but I really so think that we are on the cusp of something big. My feeling is that the Lib Dems could take the old Whig position with teh Tories in England at the next election with the Nationalist parties running Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland and running Labour into second ro third palce in all cases.

The big result for Henley is that Labour did dos badly and were out polled by even minority parties.

Come on Lib Dems (even though I vote Tory) I want to see you give Labour a beating in those Northern cities and work with the Tories where you feel able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came over to have a look from Iain Dale&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>I have said it a few times there but I really so think that we are on the cusp of something big. My feeling is that the Lib Dems could take the old Whig position with teh Tories in England at the next election with the Nationalist parties running Scotland, Wales, N. Ireland and running Labour into second ro third palce in all cases.</p>
<p>The big result for Henley is that Labour did dos badly and were out polled by even minority parties.</p>
<p>Come on Lib Dems (even though I vote Tory) I want to see you give Labour a beating in those Northern cities and work with the Tories where you feel able.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rather ominous little comment in a report by the BBC&#039;s Martha Kearney:
&quot;It was a disappointing result for the Liberal Democrats too. Senior party figures believe that Nick Clegg will only really establish himself as leader once he has had a substantial by election win as Paddy Ashdown had with Newbury and Charles Kennedy with Brent East.&quot;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7478233.stm

(I think she needs to check her list of Lib Dem by election gains, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rather ominous little comment in a report by the BBC&#8217;s Martha Kearney:<br />
&#8220;It was a disappointing result for the Liberal Democrats too. Senior party figures believe that Nick Clegg will only really establish himself as leader once he has had a substantial by election win as Paddy Ashdown had with Newbury and Charles Kennedy with Brent East.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7478233.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7478233.stm</a></p>
<p>(I think she needs to check her list of Lib Dem by election gains, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Chris Paul has a point ,the Labour Government is currently unpopular it is also , I would argue , morally bankrupt and inept . The Labour Party , however, stands for real people and has a history of real government. It is a serious force and will be again. I see the green shoots even now .

The Liberals are just a middleclass toy for bored teachers in the holidays and this lack of any real constituency has lead to an obsession with tuning policies without any real definition over time.
As the error of big government high tax polices becomes increasingly clear no-one will forget that the Liberal were certainly Labour lite for the 90s and most of the noughties . They criticised New Labour from the left if at all and are therefore equally culpable in the prevailing bias of the age during which time we Conservatives held out alone embattled bloody and unbowed. 
You think what you say now will make a difference  ? It will not and until you learn to think for yourselves and  not cling to whatever orthodoxy  holds sway you will always be the Party no-one takes seriously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Chris Paul has a point ,the Labour Government is currently unpopular it is also , I would argue , morally bankrupt and inept . The Labour Party , however, stands for real people and has a history of real government. It is a serious force and will be again. I see the green shoots even now .</p>
<p>The Liberals are just a middleclass toy for bored teachers in the holidays and this lack of any real constituency has lead to an obsession with tuning policies without any real definition over time.<br />
As the error of big government high tax polices becomes increasingly clear no-one will forget that the Liberal were certainly Labour lite for the 90s and most of the noughties . They criticised New Labour from the left if at all and are therefore equally culpable in the prevailing bias of the age during which time we Conservatives held out alone embattled bloody and unbowed.<br />
You think what you say now will make a difference  ? It will not and until you learn to think for yourselves and  not cling to whatever orthodoxy  holds sway you will always be the Party no-one takes seriously</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed at the part of this analysis concerning where the Labour vote went. Most of it stayed at home as it generally does in hopeless local elections and hopeless by-elections. This is my analysis of the figures and applying percentages and swings to this 5,000 or so votes is delusional, unscientific, unjustifiable from the gross data.

They went nowhere. They stayed at home. They vote only in general elections. We have such voters in every constituency in the land. But in Henley? 85% of Labour voters appear to be like that.

What will Kearney do now? Relocate again? Stand somewhere else with a somethingly raised profile? be on stand by with his parachute for the next by-election, well apart from the stunt at HandH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed at the part of this analysis concerning where the Labour vote went. Most of it stayed at home as it generally does in hopeless local elections and hopeless by-elections. This is my analysis of the figures and applying percentages and swings to this 5,000 or so votes is delusional, unscientific, unjustifiable from the gross data.</p>
<p>They went nowhere. They stayed at home. They vote only in general elections. We have such voters in every constituency in the land. But in Henley? 85% of Labour voters appear to be like that.</p>
<p>What will Kearney do now? Relocate again? Stand somewhere else with a somethingly raised profile? be on stand by with his parachute for the next by-election, well apart from the stunt at HandH.</p>
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		<title>By: Oranjepan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oranjepan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;depressing&quot;

*chuckles*

(thinks will still be chuckling by the time gets to pub)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;depressing&#8221;</p>
<p>*chuckles*</p>
<p>(thinks will still be chuckling by the time gets to pub)</p>
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		<title>By: crewegwyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>crewegwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sesenco,

John Howell is not my county councillor, so why would I be concerned at your claimed conflicts of interest and duty?

If these are legal conflicts - talk to the relevant authorities. If these are political conflicts - campaign against him in 2009.  But don&#039;t waste my time.

Dane Clouston:

Never fear, some of us are EU-sceptic Lib Dems!

Martin:

What on earth is a &quot;mini disaster&quot; ? Is it like a &quot;major slight inconvenience&quot; ?

0.8% swing against us. Disappointing but hardly wrist-slitting time in the current context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sesenco,</p>
<p>John Howell is not my county councillor, so why would I be concerned at your claimed conflicts of interest and duty?</p>
<p>If these are legal conflicts &#8211; talk to the relevant authorities. If these are political conflicts &#8211; campaign against him in 2009.  But don&#8217;t waste my time.</p>
<p>Dane Clouston:</p>
<p>Never fear, some of us are EU-sceptic Lib Dems!</p>
<p>Martin:</p>
<p>What on earth is a &#8220;mini disaster&#8221; ? Is it like a &#8220;major slight inconvenience&#8221; ?</p>
<p>0.8% swing against us. Disappointing but hardly wrist-slitting time in the current context.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Tall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, the Greens&#039; support went up by 0.54%, less than a third of the Lib Dems&#039; increase in support of 1.84%. Technically the Monster Raving Loony Party increased their support by more than the Greens. That&#039;s why I ignored them. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, the Greens&#8217; support went up by 0.54%, less than a third of the Lib Dems&#8217; increase in support of 1.84%. Technically the Monster Raving Loony Party increased their support by more than the Greens. That&#8217;s why I ignored them. <img src='http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is just the most depressingly deluded article ever. 

yesteday&#039;s result was quite clearly a mini-disaster. for us to lose ground on the tories in a by-election, failing to squeeze any of the labour vote at the expense of the tories, has probably never happened before - at least not for a long time. they are the incumbents, i didn&#039;t think it was possible for us not to gain on them in these cricumstances.

rennard needs to take responsibility for the campaign and learn from his mistakes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just the most depressingly deluded article ever. </p>
<p>yesteday&#8217;s result was quite clearly a mini-disaster. for us to lose ground on the tories in a by-election, failing to squeeze any of the labour vote at the expense of the tories, has probably never happened before &#8211; at least not for a long time. they are the incumbents, i didn&#8217;t think it was possible for us not to gain on them in these cricumstances.</p>
<p>rennard needs to take responsibility for the campaign and learn from his mistakes</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More to the point what does it mean for New Labour?

I seem to remember a similar result led to David Owen&#039;s breakaway SDP winding itself up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More to the point what does it mean for New Labour?</p>
<p>I seem to remember a similar result led to David Owen&#8217;s breakaway SDP winding itself up.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why ignore the fact that the Greens did well too?&lt;/i&gt;

Because that wouldn&#039;t fit the narrative. Unfortunately, I think the Liberal Democrats will eventually go the way of the Aussie Democrats, eaten alive by the Australian Greens. Here in Scotland the utter hypocrisy of Lib Dem Ministers hurt the party badly, and they&#039;ve played an utterly unconstructive role in Parliament ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why ignore the fact that the Greens did well too?</i></p>
<p>Because that wouldn&#8217;t fit the narrative. Unfortunately, I think the Liberal Democrats will eventually go the way of the Aussie Democrats, eaten alive by the Australian Greens. Here in Scotland the utter hypocrisy of Lib Dem Ministers hurt the party badly, and they&#8217;ve played an utterly unconstructive role in Parliament ever since.</p>
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