Comments on: Will going commando get me through airport security faster? http://www.libdemvoice.org/will-going-commando-get-me-through-airport-security-faster-17354.html Our place to talk - an independent website for supporters of the Liberal Democrat party in the UK. Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:55:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Parties on a war footing – but what are they fighting for? http://www.libdemvoice.org/will-going-commando-get-me-through-airport-security-faster-17354.html#comment-104476 Parties on a war footing – but what are they fighting for? Sat, 02 Jan 2010 19:37:18 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17354#comment-104476 [...] Going commando doesn’t work – Ian Roberts pointed out (as only Ian Roberts can); [...] [...] Going commando doesn’t work – Ian Roberts pointed out (as only Ian Roberts can); [...]

]]> By: David Williamson http://www.libdemvoice.org/will-going-commando-get-me-through-airport-security-faster-17354.html#comment-104377 David Williamson Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:07:32 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17354#comment-104377 I completely agree with Martin and invite others not to dismiss but to consider his thread of thought. The threat is far more sinister than the obvious staged players of islamic extremism. This is a very transparent ploy to induce the population to accept ever more restrictive "norms". For anyone who reads german here is a good summary of what's really going on http://inge09.blog.de/2009/12/29/obamas-kuenftige-kriege-7659291/ I completely agree with Martin and invite others not to dismiss but to consider his thread of thought. The threat is far more sinister than the obvious staged players of islamic extremism. This is a very transparent ploy to induce the population to accept ever more restrictive “norms”.

For anyone who reads german here is a good summary of what’s really going on http://inge09.blog.de/2009/12/29/obamas-kuenftige-kriege-7659291/

]]> By: Matthew Huntbach http://www.libdemvoice.org/will-going-commando-get-me-through-airport-security-faster-17354.html#comment-104251 Matthew Huntbach Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:20:03 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17354#comment-104251 We appear to have invaded and seek to control the whole of the country of Afghanistan (not an easy place to do either) on the grounds that terrorists need the whole of such a country to practice and develop their craft, only to find that this one studied, not in Afghanistan, but in University College London. We appear to have invaded and seek to control the whole of the country of Afghanistan (not an easy place to do either) on the grounds that terrorists need the whole of such a country to practice and develop their craft, only to find that this one studied, not in Afghanistan, but in University College London.

]]> By: Martin http://www.libdemvoice.org/will-going-commando-get-me-through-airport-security-faster-17354.html#comment-104240 Martin Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:45:30 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17354#comment-104240 I disagree, the terrorists are winning and our government is doing the hard work for them. The real terrorists in our society at the moment are our own governments and security services. In the name of "security" they are slowly introducing one new restriction after another. Each terrorist incident immediately results in a further loss of civil liberties and freedoms. Why are the citizens being punished? It's getting to the point where one has to wonder if there isn't some secret compact between our government and the terrorists. Let us rest in peace for a while, while we get used to the new restrictions on our freedoms and then have another small incident so that we can add another restriction. How much peace will we get now to get used to the new restrictions (stories are already abounding in the US press about not being able to leave your seat over US airspace, not allowed to have anything in you lap, not a computer nor even a pillow). What about those secret no-fly lists, how do you know if you are on one? How do you appeal it? What rights do you as a traveller have at an airport security check? Are you allowed to refuse to answer inane questions? Or are you at the mercy of security goons that have seemingly unlimited power and no accountability? How many people are scared (terrorised) by the thought that one wrong word, even a joke, might get them hauled into an interrogation room and grilled for hours on end by security forces? At which point does all this start to sound like (at airports at least) we are living in a police state? And it's spreading (Section 44 not least, of the Anti-terrorism act, to name but one). Since when has buying an aeroplane ticket meant that I'm signing away (buying away!) my rights to liberty and freedom and due-process? Going commando might not be that far off... wait another ten years and you'll be required to change into a security services issue jump suit (probably orange) when you book in and all your clothes will be confiscated (and then lost) until the plane has landed. You'll be strapped to your seat and not allowed to talk to anyone. Benjamin Franklin was right. We've given one up for the other, and now we're getting neither. I disagree, the terrorists are winning and our government is doing the hard work for them.

The real terrorists in our society at the moment are our own governments and security services. In the name of “security” they are slowly introducing one new restriction after another. Each terrorist incident immediately results in a further loss of civil liberties and freedoms. Why are the citizens being punished?

It’s getting to the point where one has to wonder if there isn’t some secret compact between our government and the terrorists. Let us rest in peace for a while, while we get used to the new restrictions on our freedoms and then have another small incident so that we can add another restriction. How much peace will we get now to get used to the new restrictions (stories are already abounding in the US press about not being able to leave your seat over US airspace, not allowed to have anything in you lap, not a computer nor even a pillow).

What about those secret no-fly lists, how do you know if you are on one? How do you appeal it? What rights do you as a traveller have at an airport security check? Are you allowed to refuse to answer inane questions? Or are you at the mercy of security goons that have seemingly unlimited power and no accountability? How many people are scared (terrorised) by the thought that one wrong word, even a joke, might get them hauled into an interrogation room and grilled for hours on end by security forces? At which point does all this start to sound like (at airports at least) we are living in a police state? And it’s spreading (Section 44 not least, of the Anti-terrorism act, to name but one). Since when has buying an aeroplane ticket meant that I’m signing away (buying away!) my rights to liberty and freedom and due-process?

Going commando might not be that far off… wait another ten years and you’ll be required to change into a security services issue jump suit (probably orange) when you book in and all your clothes will be confiscated (and then lost) until the plane has landed. You’ll be strapped to your seat and not allowed to talk to anyone.

Benjamin Franklin was right. We’ve given one up for the other, and now we’re getting neither.

]]> By: Dave Page http://www.libdemvoice.org/will-going-commando-get-me-through-airport-security-faster-17354.html#comment-104233 Dave Page Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:02:19 +0000 http://www.libdemvoice.org/?p=17354#comment-104233 I'm sure Iain already is aware, but <a href="http://www.schneier.com/" rel="nofollow">Bruce Schneier</a> is a security expert with a lot of interesting and cogent things to say about airline security. And squid. I’m sure Iain already is aware, but Bruce Schneier is a security expert with a lot of interesting and cogent things to say about airline security. And squid.

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