Doctor who tackled Jacob Rees-Mogg on no deal to fight Javid as Liberal Democrat

Earlier this Summer, Dr David Nicholl tackled Jacob Rees-Mogg on LBC on preparations for a no deal Brexit, particularly on shortages of medicines. He asked Rees-Mogg what mortality rate he would be ok with in the event of no deal.

Rees-Mogg later compared him to the disgraced doctor Andrew Wakefield whose flawed claims about the MMR are still causing problems with vaccine uptake today.

At the time the BMA described this comparison as “utterly disgraceful and totally irresponsible.”

Over the weekend it has been announced that Dr Nicholl will stand for the Liberal Democrats in Bromsgrove, against Chancellor Sajid Javid.

From The Guardian:

He faces an almost impossible task to unseat Javid.The chancellor took 62% of the vote in Bromsgrove in the 2017 election, up 8% on 2015. The Lib Dems came a poor third with fewer than 2,500 votes, a share of just 4.6%.

But Nicholl is confident he will pick up disenfranchised Tories.

“Things are completely different to 2017. I think when you have a prime minister who is prepared to mislead the Queen, you will have many people who vote Tory, not people in the Tory party, in Bromsgrove, who will be utterly appalled with what is going on and will be looking for a new home,” he said.

Nicholl joined the Lib Dems earlier this summer. He left the Labour party after Owen Smith, the shadow Northern Ireland secretary, was sacked, considering it a decision with damaging consequences for the region.

He said he thought the Lib Dems had “clearly got the best chance” to woo remain voters or disenchanted Tory voters and Labour’s decision to remain neutral on Brexit would destroy its chances in the polls.

Nicholl said he was not tempted to run against Rees-Mogg because Bromsgrove was his constituency and he would continue to work as a consultant at the Sandwell and West Birmingham NHS trust.

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  • Paul Barker 29th Sep '19 - 2:24pm

    Am I the only person who read that Headline as ” Doctor Who tackled Jacob Rees-Mogg….”

  • Paul Barker – commas are so important!!

  • nigel hunter 29th Sep '19 - 3:15pm

    MMR vaccine uptake and other vaccines. Do those parents who do not take notice of vaccination realise the consequences of a child /adult in later life becoming seriously ill cos they did not get vaccinated in the 1st place?Consequences of actions do not necessarily happen till much later causing anguish and distress at a later date when the loss of a child at 16 can hit very hard.

  • Peter Martin 29th Sep '19 - 4:00pm

    “He asked Rees-Mogg what mortality rate he would be ok with in the event of no deal.”

    Presumably he meant increased mortality rate? We’re always going to have a positive rate of deaths. EU membership or otherwise.

    Why would it increase? It could only be because the EU refused to sell us what we need. Yet the EU is supposed to be a progressive force for good in the world. It doesn’t sound much like you really believe that.

    Probably we’ll have another referendum in Scotland on their independence. I’d hope that Scottish Unionists didn’t have such a low opinion of the rest of the UK that they would use a similar argument.

  • Peter Martin 29th Sep '19 - 4:13pm

    ” Doctor Who tackled Jacob Rees-Mogg….”

    That could work. We could ask Doctor Who to take a look at the world 10 -30 years hence and then come back to let us know how we’re all getting on. I’d expect that the EU will have well and truly fallen apart. Alternatively, I could be wrong and European Federalists like Verhofstadt and Macron will have succeeded in pulling off the transition to the United States of Europe.

    Either way we’d be better off out even if there is some short term disruption.

    So maybe we don’t need Dr Who after all.

  • John Paterson 29th Sep '19 - 4:20pm

    Peter Martin, any delays in supply of drugs after a no deal Brexit would be nothing to do with the EU refusing to sell us what we need. I can’t believe that you are not well aware of the nature of the supply problems of various goods post a no deal Brexit. I’m not going to spend the time spelling it out for you – but even this Tory government claims it is taking measures to mitigate the admitted problems (at a cost of £millions) – although how effective those measures will be is open to question.

  • Peter Martin 29th Sep '19 - 5:01pm

    @ John Paterson,

    How does it work between Canada and the USA? I’m sure they can ship drugs and medical products in a speedy fashion. The Canadians have managed to avoid being the 51st state. They don’t share a Parliament with the USA. They aren’t under pressure for ever closer union? The relationship they have is similar to the one we should be aiming at.

    This scare is all part of project fear. But even if I’m wrong about that its not a reason for staying in the EU. We shouldn’t be intimidated into staying. If Scotland wants to leave the UK we should be saying Good luck to them. We shouldn’t be giving them a leaving bill or insisting that UK subjects living in Scotland should be protected by the English courts afterwards. We shouldn’t be giving them a leaving bill.

    Or maybe you think we should? If so what figure would you put on it?

  • Why would it increase? It could only be because the EU refused to sell us what we need.
    I note Peter you assume that the UK will be able to both afford and pay in an acceptable form; one of the unknowns post-Brexit (ie. a UK outside of the EU) is the value of Sterling.
    Given many Brexiteers including yourself say Sterling is overvalued and thus needs to be much lower, things will get more expensive. For a concrete example, the GBP reported cost increase by EDF(UK) for the new Hinkley Point power station largely match the fall in the value of the GBP, yet the overall cost to EDF (France) and CGN (China) hasn’t really changed.

    How does it work between Canada and the USA?
    Simples! they have a pre-existing trade agreement…

  • Peter Martin 29th Sep '19 - 8:21pm

    @ Roland,

    “Simples! they have a pre-existing trade agreement…”

    You don’t need a formal trade agreement to actually trade. But if the EU insist maybe we could edit the Canadian one changing the word Canada to the UK , the USA to EU.

    That should do for starters.

  • Richard Underhill 29th Sep '19 - 9:44pm

    How does it work between Canada and the USA?
    Canada calls it “Sleeping with an elephant”.

  • @Peter Martin – The reason why Canada-US trade works today, just like UK-EU trade is because of established trade agreements that have enabled the setting up of appropriate systems for the movement of goods – hence why currently time critical medical supplies can readily cross national borders. Brexit in all its “no deal” glory rips up all the UK’s pre-existing trade agreements and their associated arrangements.

    Even doing as you suggest – would still result in goods movement problems as processes and procedures get changed, firstly to fit the interim situation and then again to fit whatever new arrangements are agreed. So there is going to be disruption, the scale and duration of such disruption are unknown – yes it might be shortlived, however, given the evidence todate with the “easiest in history” deal, I very much doubt it.

  • Canada and the US have trade agreements long before NAFTA.

  • Peter Martin 30th Sep '19 - 7:15am

    @ Richard @ Roland @ Thomas

    “Sleeping with the elephant” is a good way to put it. Maybe we don’t mind spending the night together, now and again, but we don’t want to get married! We don’t want all the political union stuff. The difference between most Remainers and Leavers is only a matter of degree. Neither do they want the euro, Schengen, and ever closer union.

    We’ve always had trading arrngements with Europe, except during periods of war in Napoleonic times and WW2, and I expect we always will.

    Guy Verhofstadt will get over being told to put his ring back in the box. We’ll just have to give him a bit of time.

  • Canada is not in a political union with America. The EU is essentially a stalled/failed political unification project committed to the idea of an “ever closer union” that not many people actively want.

  • Glenn 30th Sep ’19 – 7:43am………………….. The EU is essentially a stalled/failed political unification project committed to the idea of an “ever closer union” that not many people actively want………………….

    I do!

    Like all relationships closer ties among friends are usually far more beneficial to both sides than “staying at arms’ length”
    Sadly, the current situation has turned our friends into ‘enemies’, at least in the eyes of many ‘Leavers’ ( the ‘word ‘surrender’ is not usually used in any other context).

    Anyway, this thread should be about a principled doctor fighting a seat held by a high profile Tory. Good luck to him,

    BTW..Although it was Johnson and Cummings who formulated the unlawful prorogation request, it was delivered by Rees-Mogg. He was the one who looked HM in the eye and misled her.

    May I suggest, that when the opposition call the election, as they will, that Robin Moss and Manda Rigby unite in NE Somerset and run with with a picture of Rees-Mogg entitled, “The man who misled Her Majesty”..That should resonate even with the ‘Shire Tories’.

  • Expats

    Personally, I don’t see my neighbours as friends or as enemies. My friends are people I see when we want to see each other. They can ring me up in a crisis, but we don’t arrange our finances or family lives with ever closer union in mind. That sounds more like marriage and even then you don’t really want your in-laws too close or interfering, coz it causes tensions.

  • Richard Underhill. 30th Sep '19 - 9:56am

    Glenn: Please read Nick Clegg’s book. Politics between the extremes, published in 2016 but not dated much.
    He was told that the problem was that the UK has been winning too much.
    Consider the single market, a British Commissioner and a British Prime Minister.
    Consider the English language, becoming the lingua franca of people who prefer to forget that they were taught Russian at school.
    The reality is that we have been affected by bilateral talks between Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev. Hungary’s action in opening what Winston Churchill called the ‘Iron Curtain’ (pre-Orban) and non-violent re-unification of Germany was achieved without marching 400,000 troops through Poland.
    The USA has feared communism without experiencing it at home.
    The UK has feared occupation without experiencing it (except in the Channel Islands).
    Paddy Ashdown tried to alert us to the increasing world role/s being played by China. Leaving the EU would weaken the UK and the EU.
    Spain and Portugal have become democracies. If either or both had become communist we would have had a nasty problem.
    Yugoslavia was a nasty problem, still reverberating.
    Peace is good. Blessed are the peacemakers.

  • Jayne Mansfield 30th Sep '19 - 10:05am

    Good luck to Dr David Nicholl.

    Hopefully, this is one expert whose expertise cannot be ignored.

    Dr Richard Taylor, current Co- leader of the Independent Action Party, has already demonstrated that it is possible to overturn a conservative majority when the electorate becomes aware that politicians are risking the most important thing they have, their health.

  • Jayne Mansfield 30th Sep '19 - 10:08am

    Dr Richard ~ Taylor, Co leader of the National Health Action Party.

  • Richard Underhill
    Consider that the Soviet Union no longer exists and yet you are still talking as if it does

  • Glenn: but Russia still exists and seems to have taken on the same objectives as the USSR possibly without the ideological aims.

    The EU is not a group of friends but an attempt to end the wars which afflicted Western Europe for centuries by binding the different nations together in a way that makes war less likely but the rich do not want that as they make huge profits out of war so their friends in the media have campaigned for years with misleading information to cause the voters to want to leave with a lot of nonsense about sovereignty which has not applied to Britain since 1941 when we came under US domination. Parliament was to be silenced by prorogation – so much for democracy which will soon be just a meaningless expression if the Brexiteers get their way.

  • Nvelope2003
    I was replying to expats who used the friendship analogy.
    I never said Russia doesn’t exist, but it’s a simply reality that the Soviet Union doesn’t.
    Personally, I suspect acting and talking like it does is an ingrained political habit and a much better way of keeping military spending up than getting out of the EU.

  • Laurence Cox 1st Oct '19 - 5:41pm

    How to dismantle the NHS in 10 easy steps:

    A devastating expose of how political decisions over the last 30 years have wasted the money that could have given us a world-class NHS without spending more money than we have.

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