Energy: What Lib Dem members think about the price freeze and new nuclear power station deal

Lib Dem Voice has polled our members-only forum  to discover what Lib Dem members think of various political issues, the Coalition, and the performance of key party figures. Some 750 party members responded – thank you – and we’re publishing the full results.
Would you support or oppose the following policies…?

64% oppose energy price freeze

… Freezing energy prices for 20 months from May 2015, while reviewing the regulation of energy companies

    7% – Strongly Support
    16% – Support
    Total support = 23%
    34% – Oppose
    30% – Strongly Oppose
    Total oppose = 64%
    12% – Neither support nor oppose
    1% – Don’t know

60% support new tax on energy company profits

… Introducing a new tax on the profits of energy companies to pay for extra help for disadvantaged groups with their fuel bills

    19% – Strongly Support
    41% – Support
    Total support = 60%
    17% – Oppose
    7% – Strongly Oppose
    Total oppose = 24%
    15% – Neither support nor oppose
    1% – Don’t know

77% oppose reducing ‘green taxes’

… Reducing the “green taxes” that currently make up part of people’s gas and electricity bills

    3% – Strongly Support
    9% – Support
    Total support = 12%
    36% – Oppose
    41% – Strongly Oppose
    Total oppose = 77%
    10% – Neither support nor oppose
    1% – Don’t know

92% support greater clarity over tariffs

… Greater clarity about tariffs, so that customers can more easily sign up for the lowest available.

    58% – Strongly Support
    34% – Support
    Total support = 92%
    1% – Oppose
    1% – Strongly Oppose
    Total oppose = 2%
    5% – Neither support nor oppose
    0% – Don’t know

French/Chinese finance for new nuclear power station supported by 56% to 36%

The government has recently signed a deal with French energy company EDF and a Chinese energy firm to build a new nuclear power station in Somerset, the first new nuclear power station in Britain since 1995. Do you support or oppose the decision to build a new nuclear power station?

    56% – Support
    36% – Oppose
    8% – Don’t know

Here are a sample of your comments…

* If you’re serious about reducing carbon footprint, nuclear has to be part of the solution.
* have severe doubts about involvement with foreign state-owned enterprises, especially when the country concerned is a one-party dictatorship
* Support only as a ‘bridge’ until more renewables are available. The cost was extravagent, however.
* Reluctantly support
* Nuclear is vital part of a balanced nil carbon supply future. We need more
* Unless we take dramatic action to reduce demand for energy (and such action will not be palatable to Labour or the Conservatives), we have to increase energy supply quickly to avoid power cuts and economic damage. Renewable technologies, whilst part of the solution, are not yet capable of supplying all our needs.
* It won’t help with the coming supply crisis and incurs more unquantifiable liabilities.
* It is a disgrace it is not British owned or nationalised.
* We need a mix of energy sources to keep the lights on
* What is the long term cost to the environment?
* I have serious reservations about the relationship between China’s autocratic government and its relationship with the UK ih this role. It seems to me that there are potentially serious issues about security here.
* Pity the six main companies aren’t interested in investing. I happy with the French but not the Chinese.
* No one has presented any alternatives in terms of power generated and cost and resources required

Almost half party members say minimum price guarantee for nuclear backers “unacceptable”

As part of the deal the government has promised to pay a minimum price for the electricity generated that is above the current wholesale price of energy. This will ensure the companies make back the money they are investing in building the power station. Do you think this is acceptable or unacceptable?

    38% – Acceptable
    48% – Unacceptable
    14% – Don’t know

Here are a sample of your comments…

* This is a subsidy the party claimed it would never agree to.
* It’s very hard to say. I disagree with the way the market is structured, so I can’t really give a definitive answer.
* If this isn’t a subsidy I don’t know what is…
* The principle is OK but the price is too high.
* Energy including nulear is becoming more expensive. In due course this will appear to be a good deal.
* plenty of subsidy to sweeten deals for overseas corporations who have no stake in the success of British civil society, but cuts to the services which actually make up UK civil society
* The principle is acceptable, but the price agreed is ridiculously high.
* Guaranteed strike prices are one of the few options available for making the building of new power stations financially viable. The alternative is for the state to build the stations, and this country can not afford that expense (thank you Labour!)
* If the risks are so complex that the market cannot price them the state should be funding project itself rather than accepting such a premium.
* Building nuclear power stations is expensive !
* If the Government are going to guarantee private companies a profit they may as well just fund the build directly themselves as Government debt will be cheaper than private companies borrowing to build the nuclear plant and they are not even taking any commercial risk.
* In our world they can’t supply power for free or at a loss.
* If nuclear was a commercial option there would be new nuclear in the US.
* Not over the moon about it, but presumably unavoidable.
* One of the worst decisions of this government, and led by a Liberal Democrat. Truly appalling!
* There should be no subsidy for Nuclear, as voted on by conference. Ed davy and co do not listen to Conference.
* It would have been more sensible to go for a build/ operate deal, with government borrowing to fund the build.
* It is correct that they should make their money back but I think that the minimum price offered is too high.
* Only acceptable for a mature technology if future spot prices expected to be higher. Fixing a minimum price, however, is a necessary government commitment for all energy investment in the UK.
* Acceptable in principle but I think the figure may be too high.

  • 1,500 Lib Dem paid-up party members are registered with LibDemVoice.org. 749 responded to the latest survey, which was conducted between 14th and 18th December.
  • Please note: we make no claims that the survey is fully representative of the Lib Dem membership as a whole. However, LibDemVoice.org’s surveys are the largest independent samples of the views of Lib Dem members across the country, and have in the past offered accurate guides to what party members think.
  • For further information on the reliability/credibility of our surveys, please refer to FAQs: Are the Liberal Democrat Voice surveys of party members accurate? and polling expert Anthony Wells’ verdict, On that poll of Lib Dem members.
  • The full archive of our members’ surveys can be viewed at www.libdemvoice.org/category/ldv-members-poll
  • * Stephen was Editor (and Co-Editor) of Liberal Democrat Voice from 2007 to 2015, and writes at The Collected Stephen Tall.

    Read more by or more about , or .
    This entry was posted in LDV Members poll.
    Advert

    3 Comments

    • Stuart Mitchell 28th Dec '13 - 10:44am

      “60% support new tax on energy company profits”

      Or rather on energy customers, since they are the source of the profits.

      No price freeze + higher taxes = higher prices.

    • Fuel costs represent an absurdly high proportion of many families’ budgets. Instead of handwringing and getting pious about it we could have built modern, safer nuclear years ago (thorium for example) but no, successive governments have wavered between kowtowing to the vested interests of the uranium lobby and the desire to tax and freeze us back to an uncomfortable mediaeval existence.

      The consumer cannot afford to keep paying the price for grandstanding about the environment whilst all the time seeing huge profits siphoned off to foreign corporations and corrupt dictatorships. If there’s ever a revolution in this country it won’t be about immigration, it will be to renationalise our utilities and infrastructure.

      I despair that our members are so out of touch that they think people who are struggling now can afford to keep subsidising their pet obsessions.

    • Michael Parsons 29th Dec '13 - 3:51pm

      What sort of members do we have left? Oppose energy price freeeze and support green energy taxes at the same time? What devilosh servants of cold and poverty are these? What comes next – burial taxes on victims of hyperthermia? The LDs seem plagued with priggish inhumanitarians waitng to be warmed in Hell.

    Post a Comment

    Lib Dem Voice welcomes comments from everyone but we ask you to be polite, to be on topic and to be who you say you are. You can read our comments policy in full here. Please respect it and all readers of the site.

    If you are a member of the party, you can have the Lib Dem Logo appear next to your comments to show this. You must be registered for our forum and can then login on this public site with the same username and password.

    To have your photo next to your comment please signup your email address with Gravatar.

    Your email is never published. Required fields are marked *

    *
    *
    Please complete the name of this site, Liberal Democrat ...?

    Advert



    Recent Comments

    • User AvatarDavid Raw 19th Oct - 1:44pm
      The British Empire (thank goodness) slipped away many years ago with all the cruelty and exploitation that went with it. I do not lament its...
    • User AvatarRichard Underhill 19th Oct - 1:41pm
      BBC Radio 4 World at One on 19/10/2017 included a contribution from David Steel. He said that the 1967 Act is out of date and...
    • User AvatarKatharine Pindar 19th Oct - 1:10pm
      This is not a question of policy, I think, Catherine, though thank you for your ideas. It seems to me a question of resources, and...
    • User AvatarPalehorse 19th Oct - 1:03pm
      David, Thank you for replying but I wasn't asking for your bank password just an opinion as to where you thought the "Great British Recovery"...
    • User AvatarDavid Raw 19th Oct - 12:32pm
      @ Palehorse Flattering of you to describe Katherine and myself as "sensible types", but sorry, I'm afraid I must decline your invitation. It might be...
    • User AvatarDavid Evans 19th Oct - 12:26pm
      Oh Yes and Mick Bates AM's idiosyncrasies in 2011. Truly a double disaster. But Matt is also right, the Welsh do have to answer that...