Farron: We must not pull up the drawbridge because of the Cologne attacks.

Reports of crimes and sexual assaults in Cologne on New Year’s Eve have now topped 500.

Tim Farron has said that this incident should not lead to us pulling up the drawbridge. It’s hard to see, though, how much further we could pull up our drawbridge. It’s practically wedged shut already.

Tim said:

I condemn in the strongest possible terms the sex attacks in Cologne on New Year’s Eve.

But we also must not pander to those who say pull up the drawbridge to some of the most desperate people in the world.

The values that cause us to embrace those fleeing war are the same values that refuse to tolerate this kind of violence against women. We believe such crimes should be prosecuted with the full force of the law, regardless of whether they are refugees or not.

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  • Can you please provide a link to the media outlet where Tim says this.?

  • This is very complicated and statements of outrage about the crimes committed against the many women concerned, and not pulling up the drawbridge on the other, don’t seem to me to get to the heart of the problem. In some cultures/countries women are not regarded in the same way as in Europe – an equality we have had to fight hard for.

    These crimes are the precise equivalent of ‘racism.’ That is what is so grotesque. Is this what European women can come to expect now? These were coordinated attacks of the most cowardly and sinister kind. Let’s stop kidding ourselves.

  • Eddie Sammon 10th Jan '16 - 8:55pm

    All we need is background checks for refugees. We want to try to prevent people with links to violent extremism or serious criminal records from entering the country.

    People aren’t comfortable with too much cultural change, but as far as policy goes nobody was really talking about letting in millions of refugees anyway. But background checks need to be emphasised more.

    It is all tied in with foreign policy too. We need to stop the refugees from wanting to flee in the first place and maybe Cameron’s policy of funding local camps isn’t a bad idea, but we need to make sure kids are going to school.

  • Ryan McAlister 10th Jan '16 - 9:30pm

    There was an interesting guardian article today. About a 15 year old Afghan boy who died in France waiting to be allowed into Britain to join a relative. Horrific and heartbreaking, and an example of the pathetic failings of the British government in this area.

    What was also shocking (though in true guardian style, not discussed) was the accounts of how these vulnerable children alone in Calais were treated by their fellow, older migrants. Beaten, robbed, assaulted, spat on. And of course the shocking goings on in Germany last week.

    It is not illiberal, or racist, to think that these episodes demonstrate precisely the need for a controlled, vetted, managed arrival of migrants who are not going to be anti-social criminals when they get here.

    I fear Tim’s message will not go down well.

  • We should indeed resist calls to pull up the drawbridge (a metaphor that’s becoming a little tired now), but equally we need to recognise that there’s a problem here and we need sensible suggestions as to how we tackle it. Sadly Farron is offering nothing on that score.

    LDV’s favourite non-UK politician, Justin Trudeau, has already implemented a solution of sorts. Single men are not allowed in as part of Canada’s much-praised Syrian refugee programme. Would such an idea fly with British liberals?

  • @Judy Abel
    I was reluctant to make the same point because it’s harder for a male to say such things around here… But I was thinking the same thing. See for instance http://www.genderindex.org/country/syrian-arab-republic.

    Unfortunately some people were more than a little naïve, thinking that you could take a million people out of such a country, unvetted, plonk them in to Germany, and they’d all turn in to Guardianista-types overnight. It was never going to happen.

    The most troubling aspect of Cologne – apart from the direct effect on the female victims, obviously – is that it’s going to massively bolster the likes of Pegida and UKIP, hence making it all the more likely that Tim’s drawbridge will indeed be drawn up.

    What was needed from the start was a three-pronged approach: accepting sensible numbers of refugees, with proper checks; supporting refugees in countries neighbouring Syria; and trying harder to end the conflict.

  • David Woodbridge 10th Jan '16 - 10:59pm

    So, after over a week of roaring, deafening silence (from both the leadership and this blog) on the biggest story of 2016 so far, this is what we finally get – four pithy sentences of platitudes. I suppose when you’ve spent the last few months pushing an industrial-strength stupid policy of calling for thousands more refugees to come to Britain, seeing some of the consequences of such a policy played out in Cologne must have given extended pause for thought. If only such reflection had taken place by the relevant people before this incredibly damaging stance was adopted.

  • @John Marriott
    “In my opinion the real victims here are not necessarily those young ladies in Cologne who were molested but rather all those genuine refugees”

    I would hope that this was a late night slip of the keyboard, do you not mean that they aren’t the only victims?

  • From an interview with the Mayor in Spiegel:

    “SPIEGEL: The German police officers’ union has even stated that it is highly uncertain whether even a single perpetrator will be brought to justice. Isn’t it an odd situation when the head of a government is calling for the full force of the law to be applied and, at the end of the day, nothing may come of it?

    Reker: It’s unsatisfactory. It shows our society’s helplessness when it comes to this issue. What is important now is that we prevent events like this from happening in the future.”

    So it is possible that no one may be prosecuted, but lets close the stable door now the horses have gone. The Mayor is known for being pro-immigration, but the next statement from the same interview is probably a good example of why a lot of people bang their heads against a wall when listening to politicians:

    “Reker: Women were sexually harassed in a massive way. I always thought these were the kinds of dangers people faced in very distant countries. It’s not something I could have imagined in Germany. We cannot accept it. It threatens the balance in our country.”

  • I’ve seen this problem coming and so have many others. What is so disturbing are the excuses being made because of cultural differences and how women are being told not to go out alone and cover up. What the hell is happening when this is being condoned and women being blamed? The pro immigration lobby are desperately trying not to blame these migrant men, about time they saw the reality and took their blinkers off. Are European women so worthless that sexual assault and rape is less important than welcoming the criminals that have carried out the attacks? These men have been indoctrinated from birth that women are just there to be used. Another question is that as these attacks seemed to be coordinated is this a new form of terrorism? Europe will become a no go soon if nothing is done. Anyone want to visit Cologne with their wives and daughters?

  • …and what’s at the bottom of all this as with so many other problems we face? Religion!

  • Alex Macfie 11th Jan '16 - 8:39am


    “In some cultures/countries women are not regarded in the same way as in Europe – an equality we have had to fight hard for.”

    Indeed, but we should not follow an approach of “collective guilt” where everyone from a particular culture/country that has oppressive cultural norms is automatically assumed (unless, or even if, proven otherwise) to follow these. Such an attitude is basically the same as that of those in the immigrant communities who believe that sexist attitudes to women are “culturally justified”. As liberals we must reject this alliance of neo-Nazis and immigrant thugs. We are the opposite of both.

    And regarding the far-right politicians who are making hay out of this news: they would be last to condemn the rapes and sexual assaults if they were being committed by white European men. Indeed they tend to be the sort of people who would commit such crimes themselves Our so-called “western” values have had to be fought for in our society, in the same way as they are having to be fought for in some other countries, and the fascists were very much on the reactionary side in that fight. They have no concern for the female victims, they are just using it as a stick to beat all immigrants regardless of whether they ever are or would be involved in such crimes.

  • Alex Macfie 11th Jan '16 - 8:45am

    @Anne: I’ve not heard anyone blaming the women or making excuses because of “cultural differences”. Indeed the whole “cultural differences” argument is mainly used by the far-right who want to spread the blame to all non-white immigrants regardless of whether they are as individuals involved in vile crimes or would condone them. As far as I’m concerned, this collective blame idea is utterly wrong, whether it comes from far-right racists, PC leftists or the immigrant community leaders. Liberalism is the opposite of all of these, because the collective-blame attitude promoted by the far right is in effect supporting the crimes (by saying the people can’t help it).

  • Sooner or those who favour large muslim immigration into Europe are going to need to address the issue of Islamic attitudes to women. Aside from the terrorist aspect, for far too long issues with islam and women, LGBT, other religions and non-believers has been ignored and that, I suspect, is why the far-right is sadly on the rise all over Europe.

    Sooner or later the integration of muslims is going to have to be tackled. The first step for liberals is to openly state that some of these attitudes are not acceptable in the UK. The second step is to then debate how to change them and I would suggest that a strongly secular education would be the best way to start, Islamic faith schools will do nothing but perpetuate the problem.

  • Alex Macfie 11th Jan ’16 – 8:45am……………[email protected]: I’ve not heard anyone blaming the women ””””’
    Cologne’s mayor ( Henriette Reker) seems to go close with her suggestion that women “keep at an arm’s length” from strangers to avoid sexual harassment….Perhaps they should wear more appropriate attire too? Next time I travel by tube I’ll mention it to female passengers.
    Such advice would effectively ban unaccompanied women from public places …This is Europe, not Saudi Arabia. A woman should not, under any circumstances, have to adjust her behavior to remain safe…

  • Eddie Sammon 11th Jan '16 - 10:25am

    Hi Jedi, what I’m saying is I’m not yet favour of an arbitrary cap on refugees. I just want the party to support strong assessment and also try to tackle the problem at source a bit, which it is doing.

    We should probably be more aggressive about secularism too. Multiculturalism is good to a degree, but we need to make sure people are getting taught tolerant values. People bang on about “British values” in schools, but it is not really “British values” we need, but tolerant, educated and respectful ones.

  • Just did a Google search using keywords, tim farron cologne attacks immigrants drawbridge
    Apart from this libdemvoice article reference, there is no other mention of this supposed comment by Tim. So if Tim did actually make this comment, he whispered it very quietly to ensure that no media outlet heard it?
    Just to clarify,… is The Voice saying that Tim said just the first sentence after the opening quote, or everything after the opening quote? In other words how much of the comment is Tim, and how much is The Voice?

  • @Alex Macfie. The Vienna police chief has also advised women not to go out alone at night as well as the mayor of Cologne making the comments about arms length etc. The burden is put on women to change behaviour so as not to invite attacks by these men. What next, we are all given a burka? Where are all the liberals now who refused to listen to the fears about all those single men? In a very confused hot spin as they do not know who to support! A choice has to be made.

  • I think some people are sort of glossing over the evidence that these attacks were organised and aside from the assaults there were fireworks thrown at a cathedral. These were not just drunken individuals behaving badly because of some nebulas cultural misunderstanding. It was a large group of men coordinating an attack on women and a Christian place of worship. This is about intolerance just not the kind that some are willing to fully acknowledge as a problem.

  • paul barker 11th Jan '16 - 1:22pm

    When I first heard reports of Cologne it felt like a kick in the stoumach. I know lots of people of Middle Eastern/North African descent living in Germany felt the same.
    As to how we should respond, we should focus our help on the most vulnerable groups : children, the sick, women & the very old. If we take all the people we can help from those categories that would be a good start. Perhaps we shouldnt be taking healthy young men at all ?

  • @John Marriott
    There is a 3rd set of victims as well, they are everyone else. Extremism is on the rise (from the left and right), German politicians are struggling to control a situation that they created and, as others have stated, people will be driven to those extreme parties.

    I’ve just had to go back to an article I read in Spiegel back in December (the 11th as it turns out) http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/refugee-crisis-drives-rise-of-new-right-wing-in-germany-a-1067384.html – quite worrying times, but not something reported on in this Country.

  • Eddie Sammon 11th Jan '16 - 1:40pm

    Rather than taking no military aged males, perhaps we can reduce their numbers to the same as that of women. Breaking up families will just lead to more people staying and suffering the consequences.

    In Sweden, for example, apparently 71% of the applicants were men:


  • Personally, I think we have to be very careful about automatically denying all young men from seeking asylum. What about young men from persecuted minorities from the region.
    To me the answer is to apply existing laws properly and to stop mingling in economic migrants or people moving from none war zones in with people genuinely fleeing imminent danger. To be fair this seems to be what David Cameron is doing.

  • Very many sensible reactions long may they continue !!!We as a movement need to be in the mainstream , all this talk over recent times against some made up imagined so called stance ,”centrism ,” should not cast aside the radical centre , not the wrongful use of centre as dull and radical as dangerous !!!We must have moderate reasonable responses , then strong and robust sounds more convincing .I have been surprisingly impressed with Tim , I think his weakest point is his strongest , caring , and compassionate can be naïve and nice but etc !Tim has avoided the latter , his lowest ebb had elements of it however in Calais , criticising Cameron , yet not the appalling French authorities there !The party stance , as with Labour under Blair , has , on immigration, been much too oriented in favour of the economic , and the so irritating phrase” the needs of the economy. ” This issue , here , is about the balance between the needs not of the economy , but of individuals , and yet of society . It s a debate we must have , our party needs to be much more varied in policies .And grown up .

  • Anne 11th Jan ’16 – 11:38am……. A choice has to be made…………

    Very true! We should not allow ourselves to be branded “anti- (insert religion/race)” if we oppose actions by minorities…
    There have been many cases in the UK where fear of being branded “xxxx-ist” have allowed groups to escape investigation/prosecution to the detriment of victims….
    Laws should apply equally to all…

  • Helen Tedcastle 11th Jan '16 - 2:57pm

    Olly T

    ‘Islamic faith schools will do nothing but perpetuate the problem’

    France has a strongly secular education system. The French-born terrorists all received a strongly secular education.

    The issue of terrorism and extremism is not just about a following a misguided interpretation of a world religion, it’s about social alienation and lack of identity in a society which ignores its minorities and its concerns.

    In the UK, most Muslims attend community academies or in some cases, schools of a religious character or foundation run by the CoE and Catholic Church. Let’s not forget, 81% of all schools are ‘secular.’

    That suggests to me that other influences are at play when someone comes under the influence of extreme ideologies.

  • @Helen Tadcastle
    Out of interest do you have any solutions to suggest? Do you believe that the religion of Islam plays any art in the problem?

  • Helen, many of our youth are alienated. Young white men are constantly vilified as being lazy, who cares about them? They tend to have a girlfriend to put it bluntly. Sexual repression is rife amongst these young migrant men coupled with their indoctrinated beliefs of women especially non Muslim. However I still believe that this was an act of terrorism as it appeared coordinated in more than one city. It must have been easy to recruit these sex starved men. Surely there are phone and social media records. It has also had the result of making western women the scapegoats. Plus plus for them as our rights are diminished. Welcome to the world of ME women. We must not be dragged back to suit a backward way of thinking. We fought hard for what we have today and it sickens me that the PCers are selling us out.

  • Anne,
    I get what you’re driving at but I think its a bit of a stretch to call it “terrorism” in the way I think you are implying. Similar things have happened in Egypt and it appears to be rooted in a deep seated dislike of women and intolerance rather than something co-ordinated in a centrally controlled political way. More like the London riots or a malevolent flash mob.
    Although the individuals involved are not representative of all young Muslim men, when you look at of socially accepted norms and legal framework dominant in much of the Islamic world you’ve got look at religion as a big factor.

  • Let’s have the guts to face up to this and admit that religious teachings and practices around the issues of sex and sexuality IS the problem! Looking at the current machinations within the Anglican and Catholic churches over the issues of homosexuality, Christians don’t have any more of a clean sheet on this than the Muslims do.

  • “Must not pander to those who want to pull up the draw bridge” eh?

    If a political party decides that its policy is to refuse to “pander” to the deeply held beliefs and wishes of the vast majority of the population the results for that party aren’t going to be very good. But a party must stand for something I suppose. Are the lib dems sure this is really one of the things they want to stand for?

    The vast majority of British people aren’t racist and unwelcoming. They just see middle eastern culture for exactly what it is and have no desire to import it wholesale into their towns, cities and communities. What happened in Germany was entirely predictable. The only people who couldn’t have predicted it were those with a political ideological faith strong enough to blind them to the evidence in front of their own eyes.

  • Rob. The machinations of the Anglican and RC churches do not include death or flogging, hardly comparable. Why can we criticise these religions and not Islam? News coming out of Germany now of many sexual assaults throughout the country which were covered up as in Sweden, the rape capital of the world. However the protests are increasing and civil unrest growing. Forget the referendum, Europe is in chaos, the EU will collapse. I am afraid, no that is not right, terrified.
    Glenn, if these attacks were coordinated as is being reported then terrorism is likely. The Jihadis want the west to turn on Muslims, they want a ‘holy’ war.

  • Helen Dudden 12th Jan '16 - 10:12am

    How shocking and degrading for the many women involved.

  • It is terrorism, and it even has a name : taharrush gamea

  • nigel hunter 12th Jan '16 - 11:09am

    Cultural differences do exist. Islam does not, at the moment. respect women as equally valued people. Both the Christian ? west and the Islamic world need to be educated into our differences. Social media ,if used wisely, can do the education. The refugees coming over will then have knowledge of how to behave when they arrive. There will then be no excuse for “bad behaviour”. Those who have already broken our values can be returned to the camps for future “rehabilitation”. Equally migrant families can be brought over. The Head of the household has then responsibility to represent the family in a good light in a strange environment with employment or education opportunities persuade.

  • Nigel, many of these men are not refugees but economic migrants from for example, Pakistan and Ghana. Many warned about these thousands of single men and the behaviour that they are indoctrinated into. They probably thought they would not only be given a flat and money but also a woman. When the reports of rapes, assaults and violence first emerged from the camps these men should have been deported. Now having got away with it in the camps they believe and are right that they will not be prosecuted. It seems that women are collateral damage to governments.

  • Anne.
    Not everything that is organised is terrorism. The argument you appear to be making is that these young men were some how manipulated into these acts, but the evidence is they organised amongst themselves and that this has happened before in Egypt and probably one or two other places in the middle east. Personally. I think if you get a lot of people coming from countries that have very different attitudes some of them are going to behave badly. We had a host of grooming scandals in Britain, all very organised, none of them linked to terrorism. There have been similar incidents, though on a smaller scale, to Cologne in Australia. Sweden and a few other places again not linked to terror organisations, but again drive by a loosely organised group dynamic. Is it not possible that there are just some nasty attitudes, nasty group dynamics and nasty practices involved.

  • “Not everything that is organised is terrorism”
    Are you serious…. ? taharrush, might be an imported middle east cultural *game* to these men, but I’m sure the single woman at the centre of their *game* doesn’t see it that way? These women are being raped, molested and terrorised, ….its terrorism. Please stop making excuses and wake up.

  • Alex Macfie 12th Jan '16 - 4:12pm

    Please don’t misuise the word “liberal” to mean “trendy lefty” in the sense of “Liberal over- sensitivity”. If you don’t condemn sexism wherever it comes from you’re not a liberal.

  • Indigo.
    I didn’t say it wasn’t terrifying and I don’t see how I’m making excuses. What part of my argument was an excuse. It’s strikes me that you are the ones making excuses by taking horrible practices and trying to turn them into some sort of big plan rather than the horrible outcome of a cultural attitudes.

    And I really do not like having my argument twisted in this way. I’m atheist. I don’t like religion. I don’t make excuses for religion. But the fact is not everything bad is “terrorism” in the way that you or Anne are implying. If everything was simply down to men in caves plotting the downfall of the West the whole thing would be easily solved with a few bunker buster bombs. but it ain’t. My view of a certain strand of Liberal Left thought is that it’s got so bogged down in identity politics its collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions as it tries to think itself into a world where religions that makes hard-line Southern American Baptists look like the Guardian’s sub editors team are somehow are natural allies of feminism and LBGT rights.

  • Glenn
    Apologies if you feel offended by what I said, and you believe I twisted the context of your comment. But in my defence, I sometimes see liberal policy and ideology as somewhere on the deeply excruciating and exasperating spectrum between,.. the complacent,……. and the naive.
    I genuinely sense that Northern Europe is in the initial stages of a major cultural crisis, and I was in the process of writing more on that point, until Jayne Mansfield’s recent comment popped up on my screen. I cannot better it, so I simply copy and paste it, and give it a x 1000 thumbs up.
    “I would argue that what has happened in Cologne and other places has resulted in something of a moral dilemma for some of those who view themselves a liberal.”
    Thank you Jayne Mansfield. Concise and to the point.

  • Glenn, I too am an atheist and so we are both terrorists to the Saudis! The horrible practices come from the indoctrination these men have had in their religion. It is being suggested that there was coordination and that this was organised. These women were terrorised, you do not need a bomb to do that.
    Jayne, yes it is the ‘liberals’, we all know who we mean, a blanket word, that are trying to blame the women as they are unable to face up to the fact that they have made a tremendous mistake. The Muslim men were the criminals but the media are trying desperately to make them victims. While I abhor the right wing violence, how can they arrest 221 while the migrant criminals go free? How can they water cannon protestors, not all of them were thugs. Of course those of us who foresaw all this and the rise of the right were called racist, xenophobes or Islamaphobes. I call us realists. Being rather a cynic, maybe the rise of the hard right wing was the plan after all.

  • Alex Macfie 12th Jan '16 - 9:52pm

    Then they are not liberals. The collective-guilt ideology of the far right and the cultural relativism/identity politics of the illiberal trendy left are actually two sides of the same coin, as both see people primarily by the group to which they belong, and not as individuals. This makes them both the antithesis of liberalism, which is about individual rights and individual responsibility for one’s actions. What happened in Cologne is no moral dilemma for any liberal who understand what the word actually means.

  • James Ridgwell 12th Jan '16 - 10:24pm

    Agree with Tim, the law needs to be upheld first and foremost. In a liberal society the freedom to go about your own business without being assaulted is fundamental. This event has clearly changed the debate in Germany and also here to some extent. Merkel’s call for any refugee convicted of anything more than a very minor crime to be ejected (after any jail time) seems correct to me, and in line with human rights, and I can’t see our party having a problem with that position. That’s part of the deal – if you badly break the rules of the liberal society you are seeking shelter from you should expect to be expelled. With regard to refugee policy, if i recall, our party policy is to take 10,000 from Syria a year, nothing like the open door of 1 million plus Germany has taken overland, which has inevitably involved a higher proportion of fit young men better able to make the journey. The Canadian liberal’s policy of taking families etc rather than single men is noted above. (And while there may be a debate that needs to be had about how to integrate people from illiberal societies such as those in the ME into a liberal one, one might also note that the few thousand migrants involved in this trouble are probably less than 0.2% of the refugees etc that arrived in Ger in 2015…)

  • Helen Dudden 12th Jan '16 - 10:43pm

    If this treatment of women is not taken to be as serious as it is, what’s the point in upholding any legal framework in any country?

    Perhaps, now I can understand why the EU does not uphold international law with family matters.

    This is to be remembered as a very good reason, to vote out of the EU.

    If you are religious or not, this is lack of respect for women, also, to those who housed and feed you.

    A very old proverb, that nothing is gained when you are idle. Will these people get jobs, work to feed themselves and their families, or continue to sit around doing nothing?

    Are any of them working?

  • Helen Dudden 13th Jan '16 - 8:47pm

    Right, left or whatever, this is morally wrong, women being sexually abused. Not politics, but human rights.

    Daughters, wife’s and mothers.

    If its not stopped where next?.

  • Rebecca Taylor 15th Jan '16 - 2:10pm

    I would add a point of information here: there have already been incidents in Germany of harassment/assault of female and gay male refugees/asylum seekers by other male refugees/asylum seekers.

    Apparently *some* refugee men think a women alone (unmarried/widowed/unwillingly separated from husband due to war etc) is fair game/not worthy of respect, which is appalling. Equally appalling is the fact that some gay male Syrian refugees have had to be moved from refugee centres for their own safety. This hasn’t been publicised as much as the New Year’s Eve attacks, but is just as abhorrent and unacceptable.

    The solution is zero tolerance of harassment or physical/sexual assault of anyone by anyone (migrant/refugee/native born citizen) and ensuring perpetrators feel the full force of the law. If those perpetrators are seeking asylum, they won’t get it, if they’ve received asylum, it will be rescinded and they will be deported after being punished.

    So the message should be clear: if you are are a genuine refugee seeking asylum and you abide by our laws and social norms, then you are welcome, if you can’t/won’t do that, you’re not welcome.

  • Alex Macfie 17th Jan '16 - 9:20am

    @Rebecca Taylor: Amen to that. But which Rebecca Taylor are you?

    @Jayne Mansfield: I don’t think of it as ideological purity, just thinking it through. “Cultural sensitivity is not an excuse for moral blindness,” and if you look at it from that of view the solution to the dilemma is obvious. I agree that there is too much pussy-footing about on unacceptable so-called “cultural” attitudes among immigrants; I do not think this can entirely be attributed to lazy pseudo-liberal thinking (although some of it is); another factor is the caste & clan politics of mainly-Labour politicians in many regions with large immigrant populations. That is, the tendency among local Labour establishments to reach immigrant votes by pandering to so-called “community leaders”. The politicians who do this are not liberal, and tend not to identify as such. In some ways their small-c conservatism fit well with that of the community leaders they are cosying up to.
    Now that Labour has been the victim of this kind of caste & clan politics in Tower Hamlets, one can only hope that it rethinks its approach to campaigning in areas with high immigrant populations.

  • I hate to say it but Cameron was absolutely right in insisting that refugees should stay in camps near the Syrian border and only small numbers of vulnerable groups should be allowed into the UK. These people must return to their homeland at some point so it is best they stay in that region. Germany has got it massively wrong and we will all suffer the consequences of allowing massive swathes of single young men into Western Europe.

    As for the Munich rapists, they should be deported back to wherever they hail from – urgently. No second chances. If they don’t like being under ISIS or the Taliban or whatever murderous regime they are fleeing, they should think twice before raping women in the place in which they seek sanctuary,

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