9 September 2019 – today’s press release

Lib Dem Lords Leader boycotts Parliament shutdown

Today, Lib Dem Leader in the Lords, Dick Newby, and the Labour Lords Leader, Angela Smith, have refused to participate in the Royal Commission that will prorogue Parliament.

In addition to this, Liberal Democrat peers will boycott the House during the ceremony which shuts down Parliament.

Speaking ahead of the shutdown, Liberal Democrat Leader in the Lords, Dick Newby, said:

The attempt to shut down Parliament by Boris Johnson is authoritarian and anti-democratic. The fact that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom wants to silence the people and their representatives shows that Boris Johnson will pursue Brexit at any cost, even at the cost of our democracy.

Therefore, as the Leader of the Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords, I will not partake in any prorogation ceremony. I simply refuse to be part of this affront to our democracy.

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24 Comments

  • Not since Charles 1st tried to close parliament has the HoC seen scenes like last night. Johnson’s actions to force a hard Brexit has succeeded in mobilising the might of parliament against the executive and, as I’ve said before, even if they didn’t know it, that’s what Brexiteers voted for..

    Parliament rules, OK!

  • Mick Taylor 10th Sep '19 - 7:29am

    Er, I’m not sure that Angela Smith is the Labour Lords’ leader?

  • Dilettante Eye 10th Sep '19 - 8:25am

    “has succeeded in mobilising the might of parliament against the executive”

    You mean:

    has succeeded in mobilising the might of a remainer parliament against the executive?

    Winter is coming.

  • “silence the people and their representatives”. You mean the representative who keep blocking leaving the EU despite a vote to leave it. Or do yon mean the one’s who are too scared of the electorate to face them in a general election. Or for that matter the ones who claim to want an elected second house but are quite happy to use the current unelected one to hinder a referendum result they don’t like.

  • Dilettante Eye 10th Sep ’19 – 8:25am…Glenn 10th Sep ’19 – 8:29am..

    My goodness; I’ve just checked to make sure I hadn’t posted on the ‘Daily Mail’ comments section.

  • Expats,
    I’m sure they do post in the Daily Heils comment section, they certainly get their political views and information from there. A local village for local people, coupled with, we are special and we won two world wars runs through that site and many of our Brexi’s too. Our Lexi’s are just well strange and every time they comment, I can hear the crackle of tin foil. They also struggle with dates, the parliament they rage about was elected long after the referendum they idolise, but no surprise they don’t understand the concept of
    Parliament cannot bind its successor
    https://www.lawteacher.net/modules/public-law/parliamentary-sovereignty/lecture.php
    Still I’m sure after Brexit they’ll be puzzled why we have to discuss trade with the EU and why bad things are happening, but if there is one thing I’m absolutely clear about “Twill be nothing to do with them” for in their world they are always the ones sinned against and are never, never, ever responsible.

  • Mick Taylor 10th Sep '19 - 9:17am

    Different Angela Smith then!

  • nigel hunter 10th Sep '19 - 9:34am

    Is a version of astroturfing entering LDV? That is where people are paid to sell a line extolling the virtues of a ‘product’ (Brexit). without knowing the consequences/downside/failings of that ‘product’?! 1st introduced to sell goods to consumers in the US in the 1960s and possibly used by Trump, (those with plenty of money to splash about ,Tories?).

  • Nonconformistradical 10th Sep '19 - 10:23am

    @Nigel Hunter
    “That is where people are paid to sell a line extolling the virtues of a ‘product’ (Brexit). without knowing the consequences/downside/failings of that ‘product’?! ”

    Hasn’t the whole thing been about that since before the 2016 referendum?

  • @Dilettante Eye & Glenn – You mean the representative who keep blocking leaving the EU despite a vote to leave it.
    You mean people like Mogg? and other Brexiteers such as those in the ERG who tactically vote for and against Brexit as presented by their Government? But of cause, I keep forgetting, they are Remainers and not true believers…

  • nigel hunter 10th Sep ’19 – 9:34am…. That is where people are paid to sell a line extolling the virtues of a ‘product’ (Brexit). without knowing the consequences/downside/failings of that ‘product’?!………

    I’m reluctant to blame an apathetic ill informed electorate for voting to leave the EU but it’s worth remembering that, in the days following the refendum result, the most frequently googled questions were “What is the EU?” and “What does it mean to ‘Leave’ the EU?”

    Dilettante Eye 10th Sep ’19 – 8:25am…Glenn 10th Sep ’19 – 8:29am…. You seem to forget that this vote had nothing to do with ‘Leaving’ and everything to do with ‘Leaving with no-deal’…Many of those who voted against Johnson had voted for Theresa May’s deal. No matter where one stands on the issue, a no-deal is the worst of all worlds (at least according to business, trade unions and even the government’s own figures). In view of such almost unanimous opinion, why, oh why, would you want a ‘no-deal’?

  • Roland
    To an extent, but mainly I mean MPs who claim they a want a “people’s vote” as if the last one wasn’t whilst simultaneously claiming that as this is parliamentary democracy MPs should be free to decide, who campaign against “no deal Brexit” but have no intention signing any deal and who act like wounded bison because, shock horror, politicians elected to and committed to leaving the EU have the temerity to try to leave the EU.
    I also do not understand how you think this is going to end. Do you think the leave vote will simply give up and thank you when eventually you do have to face an election? Nothing is going to go back to how it was pre-2016 and forcing Britain to remain in the EU will cause more political damage than leaving it. On top of which most actual Europeans also want Britain to leave and so you’re trying to force them to put up with years more of Britain’s internal machinations as well.

  • Dilettante Eye 10th Sep '19 - 12:07pm

    expats

    “Many of those who voted against Johnson had voted for Theresa May’s deal.”

    Unfortunately, Mays deal was an unacceptable surrender document and not remotely a withdrawal agreement.

    And you are correct, many foolish MPs voted for abandoning a true Brexit and instead voted for locking us into a Vassal State of the EU, and those same MP’s will regret their recklessness when we eventually get access to the GE ballot box.

    I know for a fact that my MP regrets voting for the Withdrawal Agreement(sic) and with a 3 digit majority, that regret might well prove justified.

    I have to say that I admire Liberals who openly acknowledge that they just can’t stomach the idea of exiting our EU membership. However that admiration falls away when those same Liberals also reject the June 2016 referendum and hypocritically attempt to cling on to the absurd notion that they are Democrats ?

  • Tony Greaves 10th Sep '19 - 12:36pm

    I have to confess that being back in bed at 1.33am was the least onerous protest I have ever made. (Least onerous, not least principled!)

  • @Glenn – I also do not understand how you think this is going to end.
    I thought that was obvious and is increasingly obvious, the referendum, lifted the lid on Pandora’s box… The question is thus which option is the least damaging to the UK, whilst leaving the door open to the widest range of opportunities. I suggest that is remain with an added incentive to change the current incarnation of the EU into something that is more appealing to people across the EU, ie. play the long game, which is effectively the game M.Thatcher had in mind when she set the board up…

  • Roland
    I don’t think so. A lot of the people claiming they want to reform the EU want more political integration, precisely what is being rejected. I certainly don’t see the EU scaling back or its advocates wanting it to.

  • But Glen you want “a hard Brexit”, you keep telling us that, so rejoice it looks like you may well get your wish, then you can lecture the people of “Your little village” how they are better away from the big bad world. Tick, tock your dream is coming true now all you have to do is own it. Responsiblity is being trust upon you and like the majority of Brexiteers you look not happy but angry about that. Tick, tock and bless.

  • Sue Sutherland 10th Sep '19 - 1:35pm

    The campaign against the EU didn’t start in 2016. It started as soon as we became members when the right wing press barons wanted to have a UK government they could influence rather than an EU which they couldn’t. They wanted to be big fish in a small pond so they used the power of print to promulgate incorrect ‘facts’ about the EU. Unfortunately those of us who were pro EU didn’t realise that people believed what they read. The democratic will of the people was derided without any defensive measure against this propaganda because of the belief in the freedom of the press. In addition leaders of industry hated the rules and regulations which the EU was agreeing to protect the workforce and also the environment. This came to a head when the EU started to threaten company tax avoidance. Hence Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum on the EU which was hasty and ill thought out, so much so that it was declared both advisory and decisive at the same time. That was the true failure in democracy alongside the lack of rules about what made a decisive result which Switzerland, for example, has.
    So now we have a parliamentary democracy at odds with the so called will of the people and it’s the result of wealthy Tories conducting an effective campaign to rouse anger against the EU They have also been responsible for domestic policies which severely damaged our industries and our Welfare State which they were also able to blame on the EU.
    We have allowed the wealthy to win economic and political power which they have used for their own ends and not for the good of the country. Of course we must fight this travesty of democracy which they call the will of the people.

  • Barry Lofty 10th Sep '19 - 2:28pm

    Sue Sutherland, well said exactly my sentiments, as I have said before when the arch brexiteers said they wanted to bring control back to UK they meant bring back control to them not the people.

  • Frankie
    My little village is Birmingham. My preferred option is indeed so-called- hard Brexit and I am quite happy to own it. What, I don’t get is why people who just want to stay in the EU are pretending they only want to stop “no deal” Brexit! Obviously, I’m quite surprised, not to say exceedingly chuffed, that the pro EU camp are so all over place, stumbling over themselves and shooting each other in the foot. Because really all they had to do to stop “no deal Brexit” was vote for a deal instead! But if you’re that intent on losing everything, then it’s fine by me. To me the remain position is like one of those pointless last stands, where rather than surrender, the last few men (well their commanding officers, really) decide they would rather be blown to pieces.

  • @Glenn

    I am quite pleased that opposition parties are all over the place, it makes a tory brexit much more likely.
    There are a lot of “soft” remianers who will be horrified by the Liberal Democrats position of being the party of revoke if in Government and the party of 2nd referendum if in opposition, who though calling for a 2nd vote, will not accept the result and do all that they can to thwart the process yet again. This will alienate a lot of soft remaniners who care a great deal about democracy who on balance at the first referendum went for remain, but would be less inclined to do so if they felt a party was sticking its fingers up to the democratic process.
    The same would be true for Labour. A party whose position is to negotiate a Labour Brexit, then hold a 2nd referendum and campaign against the deal that it has negotiated to reject the deal and remain. People will see this as an absurd position to take which allow that EU to negotiate in “BAD FAITH” a can kicking exercise that will resolve nothing and cause further unsettlement in politics for years to come.

    Both approaches by the opposition parties will be a disaster and will increase the likelihood of a Tory Majority, the question will be how big.

    There will be little to no chance of an electoral pack happening between Labour and Liberal Democrats. Momentum would never allow such a thing as they need to throw everything at this election in order to get Labour at the very least as the biggest party, after almost a decade in opposition there is no way Labour could afford an electoral pack which would allow the Liberal Democrats to strengthen their position and ground force for future elections.
    A coalition between Labour and Liberal Democrats has zero chance of happening. LD will demand Corbyn’s head as a price for coalition, which will never happen. It is more likely than not that any coalition would also require the support of the SNP who would demand scottish referendum as a price, again, something LD’s would not sign up too.

    As the days go on, I am more and more confident that Brexit is going to happen, what I am unsure of is, whether it will be a hard clean brexit, or whether opposition “soft” remainer’s will cave in at the last hour and support a revised TM deal.
    The ERG group will then have to decide whether to accept this soft brexit and see it as one foot out of the door and the first step in the process of getting us fully out.
    Interesting times

  • @Sue utherland “The campaign against the EU didn’t start in 2016. It started as soon as we became members when the right wing press barons wanted to have a UK government they could influence rather than an EU which they couldn’t.”

    Except in 1975, it was the Tory government who campaigned for us to Remain, and the Labour Left who campaigned for us to leave. That left wing antipathy has continues to this day and is encapsulated in Corbyn and the leftists who control him.

  • @Glenn – “My little village is Birmingham. My preferred option is indeed so-called- hard Brexit and I am quite happy to own it.”
    You do have a plan and not just a load of waffle?
    Remember, despite what the Brexiteers say, David Cameron had an excuse: his governments policy was remain and so they didn’t plan for leave. BoJo, Mogg et al have no excuse for not having a plan and realistic assessment of what it will entail.
    But then I’m forgetting Mogg did finally get around to drawing up a plan in the Autumn of 2018 and then realised that people would laugh at him, rapidly backtracked on publishing it.
    Tick tock, remember its bonfire night on the 5th…

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