The Lib Dems have always selected their candidates by “one member one vote” (OMOV). It has always seemed the most logical and transparently fair system, and it is certainly better than having candidates hand-picked by an inner cabal. It still does a fairly good job at selecting candidates for the House of Commons, although as membership levels drop that is becoming less true. But it has been quite inadequate for selecting candidates for larger constituencies, particularly for the European Parliament and London Assembly.
Here’s the fundamental problem: a significant proportion of our members are concentrated in our held and target constituencies. Target seats become target seats because they have a larger pool of activists from which to draw. In turn, in order to become winning seats they have to recruit more activists. The more tightly we focus on target seats, as the Lib Dems certainly have for the past two decades, the more the gap between target seat and what we sometimes euphemistically call “development seats” widens.
If you are a candidate for an internal election spreading across a whole region – even a relatively compact region like London – you have a formidable task. OMOV however makes it easier. If the vast concentration of members live in a relatively small area, then focus on them. You can be reasonably certain that your rivals will do the same. In the case of London (people from the rest of England, Scotland or Wales will have their own examples), this means focusing your activities in the South and the West. The rest of the city gets cheerfully ignored. No surprise therefore that since Lynne Featherstone became an MP, we have had no Assembly Member from north of the river.
(In the case of the London Assembly the situation is actually worse than with European Parliamentary lists. In London last year, the focus of activity was based on winning the South West constituency. So not only did the South West get to dominate the list but it got a second bite of the cherry as well).
At this point you may be thinking to yourself “well boo-hoo!” At least all party members are being treated equally. The problem however is that if our party can’t demonstrate that it represents the whole of London, then why should the rest of London vote for it? Many commentators have pointed out that Ken Livingstone’s failure in 2008 was that he was seen as being an “inner London” politician. With our vote floundering at the same time, can we really claim we don’t have a comparable image problem? And, dare I say it, what does it say about us if we fail to field a single BAME candidate with a chance of winning in a city which is almost a third non-white? There comes a point when holding onto OMOV starts to look less like fairness and more like vanity.
Far from ignoring this problem, the truth is the party has always had procedures to mitigate it hard-wired into its constitution. The conference representative system which we use gives local parties with fewer members more representation proportionately at party conferences to prevent larger local parties from dominating procedures. We use this system to elect, among other things, our federal committees (and when the membership was asked back in 2000 whether it wanted OMOV for this, a clear majority of respondents said they didn’t). However, it is hard to see how the conference rep system could be justified as a suitable system for selecting parliamentary candidates at a time when people are complaining that such procedures shut too many people out.
What’s the solution? Both Conservative and Labour politicians have been talking recently about primaries and indeed the Tories ran a primary election for London Mayor in 2007. I believe it is time the Lib Dems similarly looked at opening out our procedures for selecting our Mayoral and Assembly candidates for 2012, and possibly the European Elections in the longer term.
One thing I should be clear about: primaries are not a particularly good tool for increasing political participation. If you are serious about democratic renewal, then you have to support electoral reform. What they are good for is reviving political parties, something we could do with a bit of. Indeed, that is the crucial lesson we can learn from the US. In the US, candidates use primaries to build up their supporter base and use those supporters to drive their subsequent election campaigns. The UK has nothing comparable. Moribund areas remain moribund and we do nothing about them.
I don’t believe the Lib Dems can afford to run an open primary across the whole of London along the lines of what the Tories have recently done in Totnes. That would cost somewhere between £2.5 million and £3 million. Instead, I would like to see us run a series of caucuses.
Another system which is used in the us (most notably, in Iowa), caucuses work by allowing any registered elector to turn up and vote. They have lower participation rates but are more deliberative. We would have to publicise the events, but they would be a lot cheaper to run than an open primary. And they would work as recruiting grounds: everyone who attends should be given a membership form.
The process I envisage for London Assembly and Mayor (for European selections it would be much simpler) would operate over a series of weeks. Each of the 14 London Assembly constituencies would have their own caucus at which the mayoral candidate, assembly list and constituency candidate would be voted for. Because not every caucus could practically take place at the same time, and in order to mitigate the “snowball effect” of a candidate doing well in the early caucuses, they should take place in a strict order according to the number of members in each constituency, starting with the lowest upwards. The results of each constituency would count equally (or alternatively be weighted according to population size) which would mean that no candidate would have an incentive to ignore any given area.
Party members would still have a central role. As well as having as much right to vote as anyone else, they would be gatekeepers to the process. To stand, candidates would have to secure the nomination of a certain number of members from each constituency (10?) in order to move onto the caucus stage.
A final rule: we should adopt the practice of having our mayoral candidate appear on the assembly list automatically. The position they appear on the list should be one place lower than the total number of list candidates that were elected in the previous election. For 2012, that would mean the mayoral candidate appearing fourth on the list (in 2008 Brian Paddick would have appeared in sixth place under this rule). This means that in lieu of winning outright (which will always be a tall order for a third placed party), the mayoral candidate still has a goal to strive for and the campaigns for Assembly and London Mayor complement each other better.
Such a system will almost certainly mean more work for candidates, but no more so than we should expect of individuals who are seeking to represent the whole city. The benefit of the system is a candidate who emerges not only with a higher profile, but with a higher profile across the whole city. The system could also be used as a recruiting tool. Would there be a risk of other parties and groups flooding caucuses? A small one perhaps, but not significantly more so than we already risk by allowing anyone to join the party, and organising such a campaign on such a large scale would be a major feat indeed.
I, for one, would be much more excited about that than selecting candidates by putting numbers against a load of people who I don’t know and have spent the selection ignoring me because I live in the wrong part of town. The Lib Dems have fared appallingly in region- and London-wide PR elections – it’s time we started being a bit more imaginitive.
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Couldn’t agree more.
It may be worth adopting the caucus system, although I am not sure how you prevent people who have no intention of voting for us from taking part and voting for our duff candidate. I suppose we can assume our opponents will not care enough to get involved.
Looking back, what was clever about the Totnes primary was that the electorate there had a short list that emanated from a selection committee, so the Tories did not mind who won the vote. I think in the US the parties there do not have that amount of control about who stands.
Getting back to caucuses, I think it is a big assumption that in London (to take an example that I know about) this would resolve the South West bias. Surely the turnout will be larger there, and they will still have a disproportionate effect on the results?
I have an open mind on this, I think it needs some more research before we do something like this. Maybe there are other selection processes that work better in other countries? I know we are all excited by a system that delivered Barack Obama, but it is also the system that brought us GW Bush, plus lower election turnouts in the US than elsewhere.
Staying in London I think that local parties should not develop a victum mentality about the current situation. I find the GLA members do make an effort to consult us, and if you ask them to speak at your events they are happy to do so (albeit they have a large workload). It is not the South West that is the problem, it is the inability (up until now) of the rest of us to be as successful as they are.
Interesting ideas, but I still feel we have to give members a clear role. Perhaps we should be thinking of using members to choose the people who go into the caucus and then use the caucus to choose the rankings in the list?
Voice from Lothian: that is more or less what I propose – see paragraph 11.
Geoffrey: under my proposal, each constituency, and thus each caucus, would be weighted the same (or by population size). That would mean that it didn’t matter how many people turned up to each individual caucus, it wouldn’t count for more overall.
And as I thought I’d made clear, it is emphatically not about “victim mentality” – this is about coming up with a fair system which leads to a set of candidates who can speak for and symbolise the whole of London. It is recognising that we have an image problem. And it is about potentially giving ALL local parties – successful and active or not – a potential membership boost.
I think it would be pretty hard to get 10 nominations in some constituencies!
More generally, the issue is not that we select white middle class people because our members and candidates are from white middle class areas. Rather, the problem is that we select white middle class people from diverse areas – Caroline and Mike are from Southwark and Lambeth respectively, areas with lots of BAME residents. Yet both are white, and seem pretty middle class to me.
I was quick to diss the idea of primaries but caucuses have alot more potential. Onthe BME question however, im not sure they would help. If anything we may have a higher proportion of BME members than voters, does anyone have any useful stats on that ?
Mr Graham makes some very convincing points. It might well be worth trying this system. To answer Mr Payne’s point about the potential for opponents to flood a caucus, I doubt this is a serious danger. The number of activists for an party is always very small, and the huge majority of voters (Tory, Labour and Lib Dem) would not waste an evening to annoy another party by voting for a dud candidate in their caucus. Perhaps having a nominal registration charge (£1?) would further reduce the risk without discouraging many people for attending.
That said, it would be worth allowing party members to vote in advance of the caucus so that they are not penalised if they are unable to turn up on the day.
Niklas, I would certainly be open to the idea of members being able to cast a postal vote (which would not be an option available to non-members).
Having thought a little bit more, I think weighting votes by population would be mathematically very complicated in STV, but that weighting by constituency would be very easy. Simply order a list of all candidates in each constituency according to the votes cast (using the same method used to order European Parliament lists in the current OMOV elections). Then each constituency’s list becomes one STV vote for a second round.
Again, I think your idea is very interesting indeed. Getting involvement from outside the usual activist suspects through caucuses is an idea we should pursue seriously.
(Putting my geek hat on…)
In terms of counting the votes, there are lots of ways you could do it.
I’ve considered the system you propose but my concern with that would be that it would draw no distinction between whether you got 90% of 1st preference votes at a caucus or 51%. This is a problem because it would very quickly work against candidates who were relatively popular but simply failed to “win” the early caucuses. This is why in the US, Democratic Presidential primaries increasingly use proportional weighting instead of winner-takes-all. It is certainly what kept Clinton in the 2008 race until relatively late in the contest.
Weighting votes is integral to how STV works when calculating a surplus. Mathematically it would be quite elementary to weight the vote in each caucus at the first stage, although you’d have to do it by computer. It would simply be an additional calculation you do at the start.
The alternative would be to work out a share of the vote in each caucus and award the candidacy to whoever got the greatest mean share. That would be simpler but would mean abandoning preferential voting and risk the winning candidate having less than 50% of the vote.
James Graham: “Here’s the fundamental problem: a significant proportion of our members are concentrated in our held and target constituencies. Target seats become target seats because they have a larger pool of activists from which to draw.”
Another way of looking at the scenario is that there aren’t enough Lib Dem winnable seats. Reinventing internal electoral procedures isn’t going to solve that.
Lots of Lib Dems win by rejuvenating the local party and creating a great local presence. Their activity will always be acknowledged by local people and they might be decent candidates for whatever. If the activist does it well, it’ll become a target seat. We can’t drop in a dream candidate over the local activist without causing a stink, so OMOV suffices most of the time.
In the majority of my adult life, the concept of a safe Lib Dem seat was fantasy, When Lib Dems can change candidate and get the new comer elected, it is a remarkable achievement. When it is carried off, it’s down to big and active local parties. Exactly the people who deserve OMOV.
Charlieman: once again, I’m not talking about what’s in it for the party members, I’m talking about making progress in elections. It might satisfy our Protestant work ethic to simply leave moribund parties to rot until they pull their socks off, but if that makes it harder for us to win the London mayoralty (or even more assembly seats) I put it to you that it is ultimately self-defeating.
Talk about people “deserving” OMOV is exactly the sort of vanity that I was warning against in the article.
Just a quick thing – the 14 GLA constituencies are of roughly equal size (though not equal as it was insisted that they stick to borough boundaries) so it might be hard to decide the order or the weighting. Perhaps that is where party membership might come in? Order the caucuses and allocate voting power according to party membership (though weighted as with conference delegates)
Overall, I would beg people to look at the bigger picture on this. James’s proposal is probably not the perfect system of our Lib Dem STV dreams, but it will go a long way towards producing a pool of candidates that appeals to and represents London in all its diversity and will drag the internal party campaign trail away from barbecues and garden parties for party members and into the view of the general public – for whose benefit we all got into this business in the first place.
It might even make us, as a party, more interesting for the London media to cover and give us a chance to look more like a party that WANTS to represent Dagenham or Croydon or Southall and less like a social club for maiden aunts and beardy ex-hippy stockbrokers.
Just a quick thing – the 14 GLA constituencies are of roughly equal size (though not equal as it was insisted that they stick to borough boundaries) so it might be hard to decide the order or the weighting. Perhaps that is where party membership might come in? Order the caucuses and allocate voting power according to party membership (though weighted as with conference delegates)
That is what I propose (paragraph 11).
Sorry, I was unclear in my proposal for vote-counting. I didn’t mean ordering in the order of first preference votes, but a list ordered by STV as is used for the European Parliament selections – as described here: http://www.compulink.co.uk/~rosenstiel/stv/orderstv.htm
In other words exactly as Mr Graham meant in the article, though I take his point that with computerised vote-counting weighting votes by population would not necessarily be difficult.
One big problem, I fear, is that if we had such a caucus and no-one much turned up, it would look rather embarrassing, wouldn’t it? It probably would be the maiden aunts and beardy ex-hippy stockbrokers anyway, plus a choice selection of the local nutters. Attending a political meeting isn’t most people’s idea of fun, picking the LibDem candidate for London Mayor, would, I think, be regarded as a joke activity in those parts of London which don’t see much of us so don’t think much of us. My experience is that a reasonable attendance at a political meeting requires it to be on some local issue that people have been wound up about.
So, if we did have these caucuses, who’d pay for them? Charge the attendees an entrance fee? Why not sell them a season ticket which means they could attend any such caucus we put on? Why not call that “party membership”?
James I think your idea is a very good one and well worth investigating further – if say a council group wanted to test it out are there any party rules/constitutional issues that would have to be overcome?
Here here. My understanding is that my local party has a rule that only members that have been in the party for 12 months can vote in selections which is one step away from actively discouraging candidates to recruit members!
@Charlieman:
“Another way of looking at the scenario is that there aren’t enough Lib Dem winnable seats”
Part of this is about shifting our mindset away from First Past the Post and towards PR. With the latter system, getting your vote out in “black holes” matters, sometimes just as much as getting it out in core seats. OMOV encourages you to ignore the black holes and just focus on core seats – which is never a winning strategy for PR elections
Firstly, there is no way to do this without changing both our constitution and our election rules. So if you’re serious about it, you need to understand these and campaign to change them, which would involve votes at both English Council and Federal Conference.
Personally, I would be unhappy about our candidates being selected by other than OMOV. But I like the caucus idea. How about public meetings which anyone can attend/listen/ask questions, but only members can vote, ALONG WITH a new procedure by which people who attend can join for just £1 (like students can at Freshers Fairs) and then vote? Even if most failed to renew (for the normal amount) the next year, some would and it would boost our membership. It would also be a disincentive to people (maybe from other parties) to come along to cause trouble by voting for the weakest candidate.
To do this, we’d need to change our membership rules, firstly to allow the “one pound new member at caucus” and secondly to provide a way to let those new members vote immediately. I cannot see that being agreed as the general method for everywhere, but perhaps it could be for specific elections.
Obviously, as with any event where Lib Dem-leaning people gather, I’m sure membership would be heavily plugged at such a caucus, but why would you want to sign people up as members who don’t actually WANT to be members? It costs money to service a party member and we would end up making a significant loss.
Besides, the whole point of such a process is to open up the process of selecting candidates beyond party members and thereby produce a more attractive and more competent pool of candidates for the eventual election. At present, we often find ourselves selecting candidates based on seniority or popularity within the party, who have served on committees or who know the right people but who are not good campaigners, do not relate well to voters and who perform poorly in public. (We also select very many good people!)
This system would ensure that campaigning ability and appeal to Londoners was at least as important in getting selected as being chair of a party committee or belonging to a local party with lots of members.
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