Crikey, there has been quite a response on this and other sites to the launch this morning of a campaign to save election night. Amongst the posts such as Andrew’s and Jonathan’s agreeing with the campaign there have been a range of queries and criticisms, such as Costigan, Darrell, Mark, Nick and Paul.
The issues people have raised over the campaign generally fall into four categories:
Cost: isn’t it more expensive to count on Thursday night? Yes – and no. Yes, in that often councils pay staff for counting on Thursday night (and whether or not that is covered by the central government election grants, that comes from taxes one way or another). But no, in that Friday counts often involve pulling staff from other jobs. That may not result in cash being handed over, but there is a real cost in terms of reduced services.
Anyway, count costs either way are closely related to how long a count takes – and as anyone who has been to counts across different councils is likely to have spotted – a major factor in that is how efficiently a count is run. If you really want to economise on costs (and overall I think we get democracy pretty cheaply), sorting out the inefficient counts is a good place to start.
Accuracy: overnight counts make for tired people and tired people make errors. In theory this sounds a good point, but in practice my experience of count errors – and there have been some real howlers that I have seen in person or dealt with at the end of a phone line – is that they have very little to do with tired people making mistakes.
In practice the big factor is how well or badly the count is being run – and that’s to do with issues like planning, the quality of the people running the show and their levels of interest in running a good operation. Being tired isn’t the issue.
Audience: do many people really watch the overnight coverage? The BBC’s figures for 2005 are:
Election Night on BBC ONE (9.55pm-2.00am) was watched by six million people at its peak last night, with an average of 4.3 million and a share of 35 per cent, according to unofficial viewing figures released today … A total of 14.9 million viewers watched some of the BBC’s coverage between 9.55pm and 2.00am.
(Note: although the BBC piece says the figures were provisional, their Press Office confirmed today – thanks Helen! – that they have not been revised.)
To that you need to add the non-BBC TV coverage (BBC radio, other radio, other TV channels), and also the round of Friday morning media coverage – which was dominated by the news from overnight results. It’s not just about the size of the audience, because also for millions of people who are a bit interested in politics, this is the one time every few years when they get to see politics and politicians in action for more than a small slice of time.
Other issues are more important. Yes they are, but so what? There are some cases in life when you have to cut out everything but the absolutely most important – e.g. when penning a short speech or deciding what goes on the front of a leaflet. But there’s more than enough room on the internet for the most important, the not so important and the even less important. It’d be a pretty turgid experience if we only talk about the absolutely most important.
A final thought: given that I think we’re all agreed there are other, more important, things in politics it’s ironic that this morning’s post probably triggered off more posts on other blogs than any other I’ve done this year!



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I must say I was pleasantly surprised by the comments on the other thread, and I do feel that opposition to next-day counting is essentially a manifestation of conservatism (with a small ‘c’), aided and abetted by its close relation, nostalgia.
Re the tiredness thing; if only a quarter of councils are doing this (and some already d) election night is still going to happen. This will mean that the sort of politics geeks who do the counting are going to be MORE tired if they start the count at 9am on Friday, surely? Because they will have been up all night the night before watching Germy Vine make an arse of himself and Peter Snow swinging his swingometer.
(I say this as someone who lives in a constituency where the count is always done the next day, and who stays up all night watching Election Night Special and occasionally… ahem… making my own entertainment with a close friend during it. It’s amazing the effect Dimbledore looking cheekily over his specs can have on me… but I digress…. )
The audience could be just as large or greater in the day – certainly if it done on Saturday, which is my preference.
Anyway, the report said the BBC expected 10-25% of councils to count the next day. 10% do it already and have done for years. So it just goes to show that we all get blogging about the most inconsequential things.
One point you don’t address above: We want STV don’t we? Well you can kiss goodbye to election night then. STV would have to be done the next day – just as they do it now in Northern Ireland.
The campaign for STV is surely thousands times more improtant than keeping a few anally retentive nerds happy. In any case, 1997 was a one-off for excitement. The election nights since have been fairly boring in comparison and I’ll be hiding behind the settee for the next one with my fingers in my ears going “la la la la” – and indeed I’ll probably be doing that for about 10 years if the Tories get in.
Jennie – yes that was my thought too on the tiredness thing. Count staff are often there early the next morning anyway, and whilst they might not be up as late as political hacks the night before, many people have a late night to see the TV coverage which I am sure will still exist even if all counts switched to the following day.
What I would be interested to know is what happens with those constituencies where there are local elections as well. Usually these get pushed on to the following day, which is fair enough. But does that mean they would decide to have an even longer day on the Friday to get these counted too or would these end up being counted on the Saturday (which would then cost councils more in staff).
Paul: alas, I don’t think STV is a runner for the next general election… But on the media coverage point, I don’t think Saturday counts would get as much media coverage. They’d be an awful lot of cutaways to sports coverage, for example, during the day.
I wasn’t dreaming that it was a runner either. LibDem support for the campaign to “save general election night” though undercuts the argument for STV. When we argue for STV, the Tories can just turn round and say “But you campaigned to keep election night, and you would have to drop that if you have STV”.
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