8 Comments

• jedibeeftrix 21st Feb '13 - 5:20pm

  “There is a strict definition of what can count as Overseas Development Assistance (ODA), which was established by the OECD. For example, aid cannot be spent on combat operations nor on military equipment.”

  You will note that the linked article explicitly talks of:

  “Aid budget will pay for peacekeeping missions”

  Not quite the same thing now is it, Liz?

  “It can be (and is) used to train another country’s security forces in human rights awareness, including gender-based violence issues – something I’m sure all Liberal Democrats support.”

  Truly? I find it hard to fathom how anyone could imagine that HMF would be well employed in training on gender based violence.

• Jiesheng 21st Feb '13 - 5:58pm

  Thanks for the “clarification”. MOD, FCO and DFId should not lump all their aid as ODA.

• John Vincent 21st Feb '13 - 6:24pm

  Clarification much appreciated

• Mark Pack 21st Feb '13 - 6:56pm

  Jedibeeftrix: Given the huge problems with, for example, rape being used as a weapon of war in some places, I think providing training for the military in other countries on such issues – both how to avoid their own ranks carrying them out and also how best to deal with them when they are carried out by other armed forces – makes a lot of sense.

  And if we’re helping train the military in other countries, making use of our own military in part to do so also makes sense to me – for all the usual reasons that peers training peers can often be very effective.

• jedibeeftrix 21st Feb '13 - 9:52pm

  The Forces are already involved and always involved in the communities they are embedded within, perhaps my objection was directed at the peripheral nature of the comment and the the assumption that lib-dems would gravitate towards such a peripheral use of what is, at the end of the day, an armed force.

  A reaction no doubt coloured by pique of the article should need to be misrepresented.

  The Treasury in theory pays for operations anyway, yet it has always seemed to resent the burden of british foreign policy seeking instead to put the costs of operations back on the MoD. Not least in complicity with Gov’t in for by hacking out chunks of the core Defence budget for operational costs, and accepting procurement programs which were completely unfunded, clawing back UOR funds that somehow seem to replace the core equipment programme.

  I for one am delighted the the practise of funding operations is being institutionalized via funding directly from DfID, it may ameliorate the harm that results from Treasury resentment, and in that aim there was little that was inaccurate in the headline or the ambition.

• William 22nd Feb '13 - 1:05am

  We don’t yet know the full remit of Cameron’s proposals, but I don’t believe that what he is reported to have said today takes account of the bigger picture:

  Leaving aside the ambiguity around the OECD guidance and peacekeeping, blurring the line between development, diplomacy and defence is dangerous and risks undermining DfID’s reputation. Further, pouring more cash into the ‘Conflict Pool’ is a highly dubious idea owing to its lack of strategic foresight and incapacity to measure results.

  Also, rape is rarely ‘a weapon of war’ and target states don’t need us to ship a British Army Training Team overseas to teach combatants that rape is bad. What we need to do is help address the political and economic factors that give rise to the impunity that permits rape to occur on such a pervasive scale, in some regions of some countries.

  Although I wait with much anticipation to see what the combined DfID/MoD/FCO strategy will be for tackling these issues, I believe that it is a job best led by DfID and where possible their in-country partners.

• sfk 22nd Feb '13 - 11:56am

  Clarification much appreciated, the elephant cosily tucked in the room seems to be whether the military are sufficiently resourced to conduct operations in fragile states. Envious eyes cast at DFID’s resources can’t distract from the original issue.

  Mark Pack’s example of rape being used as a weapon of war is an incredibly striking example. The issue is also whether the UK can prevent money which is allocated for international aid or could potentially be used for aid to being diverted for military purposes in conflict states.

  Finally, does it also count as aid where you have entities like the British Council providing and offering language support (mainly english) to serving military officers in conflict countries?

• Richard S 24th Feb '13 - 2:18pm

  Surely a prime example of gender-based violence in wartime would be for example when soldiers from a Balkan ethnicity enter a village and take away all the men and boys over 15 to be shot? So presumably the training is going to say they should take away the women too? Or is “gender-based” another of these terms which only works one way?